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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 4:38 pm

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In post 722, Formerfish wrote:I'm calling bullshit on this. You became Mr. Darcy? Like the main guy from Pride & Prejudice? The same guy I had sent in as my choice? You need to die and I am going to help you get there.
Oh, the odds of someone picking
the main character
for one of their picks is SO ASTRONOMICALLY SMALL. :roll:

You need to die, scum.

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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 4:39 pm

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Whatever, rage affects my cognitive abilities. I meant the odds of two or more people in a UPick picking a main character, etc.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 4:51 pm

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You know, if this was a large game based off a smaller sample set I wouldn't make as big of a deal of it. However, this is a small game with 2 large catalogs of works to draw inspiration from. I replaced into this game prestart and was told to send in one character. I sent in Darcy, and have already mentioned that in this thread. Do you not think it is just a slight bit odd that I named my choice pages ago, and you didn't blink an eye when you became him?
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 5:13 pm

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I honestly don't recall you saying so.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 5:19 pm

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That's fine, because it actually doesn't matter if you remember. Iso me and Ctrl f Darcy, you'll see it with my claim. You know where I full claimed everything. The sane post you copy and pasted the town win con from.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 5:22 pm

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I am glad that you are turning this into a 1v1 though, especially after saying you had scum read me, but then read something that showed you I was town which is magically not mentioned. So you OMGUS is duly noted and the 1v1 is accepted.

All other players take note. Its either him or me today. Take sides now.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 7:53 pm

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In post 628, Nobody Special wrote:Sorry, got waylaid.

geists -- Mostly town, a couple reservations.

Kagami -- Almost assuredly town. I recently did a fairly deep (for me) metadive on her for a different game.

Zephyrus -- Well, you know, null. :roll:

FormerFish -- I am trying (really, I am) not to equate FFish's attitude with his alignment. However, even with a lot of effort, I still have an underlying scumread. HOWEVER, I do recall that something happened that made me convert him to town. I'd have to look it up.

Cho -- Too sparse to tell. Is it scum, hiding? Is it newbtown, testing the waters?

MTD -- Mostly town.

LoudmouthLee -- Reads fairly town, more or less.

Belisarius -- Based solely on number of posts, I'm leaning scum.

Juls -- Solid town.

Lowercase -- While I was pretty set on Who being town, Lowercase has actually degraded that read. Nullish-scum.
In post 634, Formerfish wrote:
In post 628, Nobody Special wrote:Sorry, got waylaid.

geists -- Mostly town, a couple reservations.

Kagami -- Almost assuredly town. I recently did a fairly deep (for me) metadive on her for a different game.

Zephyrus -- Well, you know, null. :roll:

FormerFish -- I am trying (really, I am) not to equate FFish's attitude with his alignment. However, even with a lot of effort, I still have an underlying scumread. HOWEVER, I do recall that something happened that made me convert him to town. I'd have to look it up.

Cho -- Too sparse to tell. Is it scum, hiding? Is it newbtown, testing the waters?

MTD -- Mostly town.

LoudmouthLee -- Reads fairly town, more or less.

Belisarius -- Based solely on number of posts, I'm leaning scum.

Juls -- Solid town.

Lowercase -- While I was pretty set on Who being town, Lowercase has actually degraded that read. Nullish-scum.
So this boils down to:

Town- Geists, Kagami, MTD, LML, Juls
Null- Zephyer, Formerfish, Cho
Scumish- Beli, LC

And your reasoning for me is because of my attitude? Can you explain that, cause it sounds a lot like you don't like the fact that I don't explicitly believe your claim as gospel and that I want you to hang.

You give two scum leans at best which this far into the game frankly just isn't going to fucking cut it. Beli for number of posts especially, since when does activity dictate alignment. Added to the fact that you call MTD mostly town and he has less posts. Not even going to mention your null read on a dead slot with a grand total of what 11 posts. If you wanted to say content or contributions that is a different story, but you didn't day that.

Walk me through what changed your mind on LC.
Still looking for you to dive into this. Unless you just want to fully scum claim right now. If you do then cool let's fucking rock and roll.
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:36 am

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Vote Count Thirty: Feeling a little dirty


Cho (2)- LowerCase, Jul
Nobody Special (1) - FormerFish
FormerFish (1) - Nobody Special

Not Voting: Kagami, Cho, MTD, LoudMouthLee, Belisarius

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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 2:25 am

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Fish, did you send more than one pick?
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 2:51 am

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fos: Juls


I asked FF a question and you completely didn't allow him to answer it. Your response and your hammer recently have truly made the scumdar beep. Loudly.

I'll ask again: FF, make me feel better about you. Tell me who you transformed yesterday, and I need for them to corroborate.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 3:12 am

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I didn't stop him from answering anything. I have made a suggestion. He can do what he wants at the end of the day. You didn't a answer my question. Do you doubt fish has the ability? What reason would you want him to reveal that? So scum know who has been transformed? I think it is a bad idea. I'm sorry that you need your warm and fuzzies but I think it is a detriment to town.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 3:35 am

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In post 733, Belisarius wrote:Fish, did you send more than one pick?
No I did not.
In post 734, LoudmouthLee wrote:
fos: Juls


I asked FF a question and you completely didn't allow him to answer it. Your response and your hammer recently have truly made the scumdar beep. Loudly.

I'll ask again: FF, make me feel better about you. Tell me who you transformed yesterday, and I need for them to corroborate.
Why do I need to make you feel better about me? What changed from day start to now? Unless my reading comprehension has gone to shit you had me on the same lynchability level as yourself. If the group decides that outing that info is the way to go, I'm in. I actually don't think its that bad of an idea because as long as I'm live scum has to choose between me, the person I successfully transformed, or trying to figure out who I would target (which is why I think geists died, sorry geists). And for what its worth, my target already confirmed, you guys just can't see it yet.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 4:06 am

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Juls semi confirmed at least something about NS. Unless Juls and NS are scum together, I don't see a reason why Juls would lie. That doesn't confirm anything, but it's a truth.

You said yourself that it's you or NS, and I just unvoted him. I'd like to feel better about your role.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 5:57 am

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I'd like to hear from Kagami and more from Beli first.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:07 am

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I have a hard time believing NS's role belongs to scum.

NS has a gun, and is thus the only gunsmith miller. I've never heard of a gunsmith being in a game without a possible false-positive. NS-scum means that empking is throwing a very unusual red herring at us, or LC is scum with him, which I find pretty unlikely.

NS had to pass his power. Why would scum have to pass their power? Wouldn't they just pass it to their partner? The obvious best scum-play would be to just pass it back and forth and not claim the passing mechanic.

As a town mechanic, however, passing makes a lot of sense. It prevents the setup being ruined by the PR-maker being NKed/lynched early on. Day 2 massclaim would have pretty much put us in a mountainous game if the PR-maker were simply NKed.

Lastly, we all sent one pick and only one pick, which is pretty unusual for a UPick. Given that "Rains of Castamere" was allowed, I wouldn't be surprised if emp just didn't care what people sent and allowed redundant picks. I see no reason for scum-NS to lie about his pick anyway, unless you think they're alignment indicative (like, all scum have GoT picks)

Although others seem to disagree, I'm pretty happy with the LML track. LML was indeed townread by most everyone, and the track nearly conf-innos him to my mind since he'd be very likely the scum chosen to make the NK. Tracking one of the PR-claims would be silly, since their roles are completely confirmable by their targets, and it's also likely that the track would be anticipated by the scumteam.


Btw, has anyone here played any games with vezokpiraka prior to this one?

And I too would like to hear a bit from beli.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:25 am

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In post 739, Kagami wrote: Lastly, we all sent one pick and only one pick, which is pretty unusual for a UPick. Given that "Rains of Castamere" was allowed, I wouldn't be surprised if emp just didn't care what people sent and allowed redundant picks. I see no reason for scum-NS to lie about his pick anyway, unless you think they're alignment indicative (like, all scum have GoT picks)
I sent in several picks. I know this because I just recently checked to see if Mr.Darcy was one of my picks.

Also, I believe it's standard to randomize alignment without regard to role in a UPick (generally).
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:29 am

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Yes, I don't think that's a reasonable possibility.

I was only asked for one and sent one, I assumed that so did most people.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:30 am

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I sent like 4
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:35 am

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...

FF, how many did you submit?
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 7:04 am

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I currently have a massive town read on Kag. Either I'm getting used to your play style or you're making so much more sense today.

Once Bel checks in and FF answers my question, I will post my analysis.

Mod: can you please prod or replace bel? He has been active in other areas of the site and I cannot allow what happened yesterday to happen again.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 7:22 am

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Beli has posted today, don't be too hasty there LML.

Kag, I sent in one choice. That's it.
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 8:00 am

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@NS: What was your original role's name?
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 8:14 am

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Kagami, here is my problem with NS. He says he didn't use it N1. Assuming 3 scum, Josh was lynched D1. So why do you not think the device was passed to NS from a scum buddy already? Does it make sense to you that not only did NS start out as a non -VT but he also had a device. And apparently the role and the device are unrelated. I will say that the device does not appear to be a compulsive thing so it is possible but I feel like if I had started with the device I would have used it N1.

I'm not sure what to think about the double Mr. Darcy thing.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 8:29 am

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I can think of three explanations for the Darcy thing, one of which is that Empking simply didn't care about redundancy.

I agree that it's weird not to use it night 1, but FF is guilty of the same.

Another question to NS: Did you receive the transformer at the end of N0, or did you also not use it N0?
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 8:34 am

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Fish used it on lowercase I thought?
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