Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[Reubus Swagrid]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

Bro. There was one page

I thought you meant reading through like everything, not just the stuff from today

Nah, it was either hammer or don't. Tomorrow it'll either be you or me chipmunk. Unless of course Drixx has pulled the greatest play ever.

[notachipmunk]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

Bro. There was one page

I thought you meant reading through like everything, not just the stuff from today

Nah, it was either hammer or don't. Tomorrow it'll either be you or me chipmunk. Unless of course Drixx has pulled the greatest play ever.

If we are lucky kage's REUBUS IS SCUM post-vote posts are for the lulz and the game is already over with the kage hammer =p

[kagesong]

I'm scum for hammering. Wait a moment...

That being said, the remaining town now needs to hammer me immediately with FOS on whoever does not vote on me and Drixx.

Trapped

[kagesong]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

Bro. There was one page

I thought you meant reading through like everything, not just the stuff from today

Nah, it was either hammer or don't. Tomorrow it'll either be you or me chipmunk. Unless of course Drixx has pulled the greatest play ever.

If we are lucky kage's REUBUS IS SCUM post-vote posts are for the lulz and the game is already over with the kage hammer =p

Well, since the hammer is officially down, no. I am VT, I knew that scum would hammer me.

[Reubus Swagrid]

I'm scum for hammering. Wait a moment...

That being said, the remaining town now needs to hammer me immediately with FOS on whoever does not vote on me and Drixx.

Trapped

Jokes on you post game

[notachipmunk]

If kage is actually VT, should we have a jail target again in case there is another day?

[kagesong]

If kage is actually VT, should we have a jail target again in case there is another day?

YES!!!! YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, hammer is down, mod will count. I have no reason to lie to you.

[Zaicon]

Final Vote Count - Day 3

kagesong (3):

Rufus Delorian, kagesong, Reubus Swagrid

Reubus Swagrid (1):

Drixx

No Vote (1):

notachipmunk

kagesong,

Vanilla Townie

, has been lynched!

It is now Night 3. The deadline is Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:00 AM CDT, which is in (expired on 2016-03-31 08:00:00).

[Zaicon]

Rufus Delorian,

Town Jailkeeper

, has been killed!

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►►Day 4◄◄

Vote Count 4.0

No Vote (3):

Drixx, notachipmunk, Reubus Swagrid

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch!

Deadline is Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 8:00 AM CDT, which is in (expired on 2016-04-04 08:00:00).

[Drixx]

@Mod: The countdown timer seems off

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We're in LYLO now. I would like each of you to tell me why you are town and why the other is scum. Your answers combined with my own re-reading will determine the outcome of the game.

To my fellow townie: please don't slack; you doing a thorough job will force the scum to also do it, except the scum will have to be telling a story instead of actually evaluating things, and that's our best chance to catch him.

This should go without saying, but you should NOT vote in LYLO until you are as sure as possible. One wrong vote and the scum can instantly win. Use FOS instead.

[notachipmunk]

Do you want us to only evaluate the other and ourselves, and leave you out of these evaluations? Like are you assuming we both are like Drixx is totes town yeahhh or is this for your own use (or misuse =P)

[Drixx]

Ummm... I'm the 1-shot BP. There's overwhelming logical reason to believe my claim and similarly overwhelming reasons why you shouldn't believe I'm scum.

So yeah, I left myself out of it because I don't want to deal with the WiFoM of reading you guys do the obvious analysis of me, which is really just a WiFoM loop without an exit. Occam's razor should help: In order to posit me as scum, you must assume that I went after my partner on day one and refused to budge or go to a different lynch, despite the numerous opportunities given to do so without attracting suspicion. If and only if you find that probable should you even bother considering me as I've claimed BP.

And yes, your analysis of one another is very much for me. As I said before: whichever of you is town will do an honest evaluation of the other. Whichever of you is scum knows for sure that the other two of us are town and your evaluation has to be made up to try and implicate someone besides yourself. Unless whichever of you is scum is really really good, you'll have a hard time putting something out that looks perfectly townie, and I'll catch it.

Clock's ticking, btw. You could have already done as I asked. Of course ... Reubus hasn't even bothered to show up for quite some time so...

[Reubus Swagrid]

The day only just started mate, let me compose myself

[Reubus Swagrid]

Day start happened at 2 am for me if you were interested

[Reubus Swagrid]

Well I would've liked to imagine that lynching pam and the way that pam was lynched makes me seem more town, of course that doesn't clear me with absolute certainty, only if occams razor suffices does that earn me any town cred. I've never played scum for the record so imma self meta here and say that if I were scum in my first scum game I wouldn't bus my scum partner D1.

[Reubus Swagrid]

I know you said don't hammer but since it's back at 3 votes, and pam not saying anything in this thread in over 2 days...
pressure back on him
VOTE: literallypam

also I think that is long enough to request a prod on him, yes?

2 Hours later...

Alright UNVOTE:
If someone else can confirm to me that what Frog is saying is good reasoning that'd be cool. Like I assume that's generally a smart idea but I wanna know for sure that this isn't a don't-vote-pam-because-he-wants-to-spare-him kinda thing.
I am assuming Froglogic > my newbie logic

2 days later..

Look at the status of the wagon

Since it's back at 2 votes and I feel sad and lonely with my unvote and Rufus' theory hurts my soul, unless it's legit, then my brain hurts...

VOTE: literallypam

Is this day gonna be extended for replacement purposes on kirroha?

Drixx what do you think of the logic placed behind these posts in relation to pam and chipmunk

[Reubus Swagrid]

Here's another sort though everyone kind of post with what each person would have to think through each day as scum- which obv are not all accurate since not all 4 of you are scum.

Rufus: Would have had to use crazy mind control on the real jailkeeper to convince them that they are not the JK so escape freely to victory as conftown. In other words, impossible.

Drixx: D1 would have had to have told pam he was gonna play very risky with some kind of plan in mind, like let's target each other, and then pam either messed it up and Drixx thinks he will be conftown for a solid read very early on and can win even by lynching his partner D1. N1 idk why he would NK Panther. D2 hammered PC, would have seen Frog say he'd have a FOS on anyone who hammered so he NK'ed Frog to avoid. With Frog gone easier to claim BP since the main person who would likely question it is gone. Also would have had to concoct odd reason for claim, and not the same reason used in last game he fakeclaimed it in in case anyone checked.

Reubus: D1 would have gone for early pam vote as something to fall back on if a lynch on pam would happen at any point. Would have had to push for a heavy back and forth interaction as well to separate themselves as partners. Would have to be prepared for a lynch and hope for conftown status due to heavy interactions. N1 also idk why he would NK Panther. D2 try to get Rufus lynched initially until it would seem scummy to keep pushing due to lack of counterclaim. Vote for PC but sure to not be 1st on the vote or the hammer. N2 kill Frog bc he put him in his POE.

kage: D1 mention pam as a suspect to not be attached to pam but never actually vote for. (then the grey area of the late vote for possibly legit reason is whatevs). N1 i don't know why anyone would NK Panther as it turns out, as his only real connection was to Frog. D2 try to get off of Frog's POE and target him by trying to convince others he is not conftown. N2 kill Frog bc Frog wants him lynched, and as someone said, WIFOM NK. This scenario assumes Drixx is BP as otherwise kage doesn't get conftown like they otherwise would.

So if scum would like to come out and tell me if they actually planned it out differently that'd be cool =p

This post interests me because I could possibly believe the Drixx case but occams razor suggests otherwise

[notachipmunk]

Ummm... I'm the 1-shot BP. There's overwhelming logical reason to believe my claim and similarly overwhelming reasons why you shouldn't believe I'm scum.

So yeah, I left myself out of it because I don't want to deal with the WiFoM of reading you guys do the obvious analysis of me, which is really just a WiFoM loop without an exit. Occam's razor should help: In order to posit me as scum, you must assume that I went after my partner on day one and refused to budge or go to a different lynch, despite the numerous opportunities given to do so without attracting suspicion. If and only if you find that probable should you even bother considering me as I've claimed BP.

And yes, your analysis of one another is very much for me. As I said before: whichever of you is town will do an honest evaluation of the other. Whichever of you is scum knows for sure that the other two of us are town and your evaluation has to be made up to try and implicate someone besides yourself. Unless whichever of you is scum is really really good, you'll have a hard time putting something out that looks perfectly townie, and I'll catch it.

Clock's ticking, btw. You could have already done as I asked. Of course ... Reubus hasn't even bothered to show up for quite some time so...

I could have done what you've asked yes, but you asked me to do something that I can't entirely do, because I don't currently assume Reubus is scum. If I were to do this properly I would evaluate both of you, and after I have come to a conclusion, then I can pinpoint which one of you that I think should be lynched. So I can tell you why I am town, and I can look through both of your posts, but it doesn't make sense to me to only do Reubus. I've read through a bunch of completed newbie games- I don't know if I should state the specific one or players in it- but there was one where scum won after he fakeclaimed BP at the end, and the player played as "obvtown" D1 according to other players, and won. So sorry if it goes against Occam's Razor, but a good player can slip through apparently. And clock's ticking? we have 2 weeks don't we??

[notachipmunk]

So here Drixx, why I am town - first off whichever of you is scum did a good job of getting this endgame, as both of you have earlier pam votes to fall back on as to why you can target me as scum. As in, I'm surprised both of you are still here when either one of you should have been nightkilled. So yeah this remaining 3 player setup makes me look bad, something highly NOT in my favor to happen. Also, one of you nightkilled Frog, as in the only person who read me properly as town. And D1 I was not the first on pam, but I can honestly say I did not know what I was looking for to identify scum - this is my first game anywhere - so after it was explained pam did seem likely to me, and also kage. But, as kage wasn't being voted for and getting a lynch out is important, I went with pam. And put him at L-1. I unvoted because of what Frog said - AND I ASKED FOR A SECOND OPINION ON WHAT HE SAID ABOUT L-1 - NO ONE gave me one, so I unvoted, and revoted when that was no longer an issue. I did not prematurely end D2 with a vote on someone who didn't give enough info to warrant that lynch either. You spend 2 weeks on D1 and then what, 2 sentences out of a player who jumped in gets the hammer? What I saw out of D1 was that interactions and seeing how someone will respond under pressure gives a lot of info, and a lot of info was not what we had D2.
I can go through some sort of evaluation of both of you if you want. But as I do not have certainty on Reubus scum, like I said in my past post, I can't just do that without doing both.

[notachipmunk]

Drixx - I have a question for you - You are using your BP claim as fact. What if Reubus claimed BP instead? What if I did? Would you believe either of us?

[notachipmunk]

Obviously answer that from the POV of someone who is not themselves the BP. So either as you are now, or if you are BP imagine you are not.

[Drixx]

After my disastrous fail, if one of you claimed BP today I would instantly vote you because it would strike me as a "Hail Mary" attempt to avoid a loss by scum.

There was a really specific reason for why I asked for what I did. Both of you have given me some different things, and that's cool because it helps in other ways ... but I would really like to see what I asked for. I realize I gave away the lede when I explained that scum would have a hard time putting together a convincing narrative, but really.

Notachipmunk is currently my thought as last scum due to #743. Whichever of you is scum is a roleblocker and thus knows for certain I am telling the truth. Yet notachipmunk is trying desperately to appear as if she believes nothing, to the point of stating she can't make a case against Reubus because she doesn't believe he's scum ... but she also doesn't push me either. That's a pretty impressive amount of hedging.

[notachipmunk]

I meant to put yourself in our shoes, like if you hadn't claimed, if someone else had instead, from a VT POV.
As for my post, up until D3 I would have thought of neither of you as the most likely scum, so it's not like I've had weeks worth of suspicion. From my posts that looked through what the remaining 3 of you (when kage was in the picture) had as motivation, kage was more suspicious than either of you. And I never meant that I couldn't believe Reubus was scum, I meant that I haven't decided one way or another, just as you seem to not have before asking both of us for some info. However YES I am more suspicious of you than him, and that is not what you asked for. You wanted a why Reubus is scum post, when my options are to post why Drixx is leaning more scum to me than Reubus is, or here's some pros and cons of each of you and now let me look at it. So if you would like that, then that I shall do.

[notachipmunk]

Wow, no new posts since yesterday 0__0 I'll throw out my thoughts after I finish some homework, which hopefully shall be soon.

[Reubus Swagrid]

This is spooky. So either I believe Drixx's claim or pray that chipmunk isn't manipulating me