↑THE WRONG WAGON wrote:It's super blatant. Scum doesn't often say shit like that. Town doesn't usually care.
Agree. I think that post of Amihan's is too honest to be newbscum.
I checked earlier and they don't have any completed scum games. None of the newbies do, except podoboq if that one night ultimate werewolf game counts (I'm not inclined to count it since he didn't know he was scum or who his buddy was).
I actually knew I was Minion, and knew that Alex was my wolf. It was Alex who didn't realize he was wolf, because he believed my claim of being Troublemaker, and switching his alignment. The game was wacky.
↑Axelrod wrote:I haven't re-read yet, that is still coming, but I had this thought. What about a "Musical" claim. i.e.: just what Musical you are from, and nothing else?
↑podoboq wrote:See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.
This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.
That post looked to me like he hadn't read the thread since his previous post. Have you ever played a game where someone got discouraged like this as either alignment? How would you distinguish between scum apathy and town apathy?
No, not really. In the One Night Werewolf game, a townie gave up on contributing early because he didn't like the mechanics of the game, being that players can change alignments, or not know their alignments. That's different from giving up because there's a wagon on you.
Me too! What about it don't you like specifically?
He says he's worried about a scum counterclaim from Amihan, then us lynching pistachion. He says he doesn't know what we'd do after that, but I think it's obvious that you just lynch Amihan in that case. This is moot now, because Amihan claimed it was a gambit, but if she stuck to her Miller claim, and pistachion flipped Miller, the play seems obvious, and it's a 1for1 trade. That's good for town.
He suggests lynching pistacion, then suggests not lynching Amihan in retaliation if pistachion flips Miller. That could be protecting a scum partner (Amihan) or more likely, getting town cred for suggesting not to lynch someone he knows will flip town (Amihan), knowing that if we follow through with the pistachion lynch we would definitely lynch Amihan next. Again, these lines of play have changed since Amihan claimed it was a gambit, but that's where town was when he made that post.
↑podoboq wrote:In my skim, I was very confident in my reads on beeboy and Cakez as town. Both of them reading FS as scum makes me question FS pretty strongly.
Which points that beeboy and Cakez made against Seniors resonates most strongly with you and why?
It's less what they've said about FS and more what FS has said about them. I think FS's post on Cakez being scum for his readslist is bullshit, and I don't like the way they've acted about beeboy. Basically, I wouldn't expect town!FS to have the reads on those two players that they do. So I looked into Seniors because Cakez and beeboy clearly thought that was a tree worth barking up, and in my ISO, I had a problem with Seniors' perspective on Cakez and beeboy.
Honestly, I think beeboy's "You didn't buddy me" reasoning is hollow, but Seniors' response to it is lacking.
↑podoboq wrote:If your last few posts are legitimate, and you're willing to engage in the new things that have happened in the game which are unrelated to the wagon on you, then I'm totally happy to unvote here. If in my reread, I reevaluate your slot more positively, then I'm totally happy to unvote here.
Why are you telling them what to do to earn your unvote? Do you think this task would be too difficult for them to complete, if scum?
The only out I give FS to get me off their back is to engage with town. If FS is scum, engaging with town will give us more opportunities to read them. If FS is town, then I can encourage them to rejoin the game. So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and extending an olive branch.
↑Axelrod wrote:I haven't re-read yet, that is still coming, but I had this thought. What about a "Musical" claim. i.e.: just what Musical you are from, and nothing else?
Thoughts?
What does this accomplish?
Maybe nothing. Maybe something?
You think it's a bad idea?
I think this idea is cute, but I'd rather not put any stock in flavor claiming. Maybe a townie has a highly scummy musical for flavor. Somebody will use it as an argument to lynch him. I think it's cool to do that at some point in the game, but round-robin flavor claiming day one seems to early.
I think I'm just curious because I want to be townread by more people so I don't have to scumhunt as "aggressively" this time.
Not scumreading this. I just got out of a game with Ami where she had to play incredibly aggressively because she replaced into the craziest scummiest slot. She had to play hard because we had reason to scumread her.
If she wants to be able to lay back a little bit and relax more through this game, that totally makes sense to me.
^ can attest to this, was also in that game. I'm thinking Ami is town here, that cc gambit was pretty town.
↑SirCakez wrote:Yo so I think Podo is town because his posts are actually good and Seniors is tunneling him for bad reasons.
What do you like about his posts specifically?
His posts feel open and nothing to hide, like 576 for example. And he's doing more scumhunting then half the playerlist which is a plus.
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:10 am
by SirCakez
↑Axelrod wrote:I haven't re-read yet, that is still coming, but I had this thought. What about a "Musical" claim. i.e.: just what Musical you are from, and nothing else?
↑Axelrod wrote:Wow, you're just completely useless, aren't you.
This made me lol
I'd be scumreading dramonic for doing nothing to scumhunt but he was like this in the other game I played with him as town soooo he can have a pass for now.
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:11 am
by beeboy
I like how I stopped posting and Seniors is using me as excuse to idle still. Obv scuming 101
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:36 am
by pistachi0n
↑beeboy wrote:I like how I stopped posting and Seniors is using me as excuse to idle still. Obv scuming 101
Your vote on Swords still seems like "meh, I'm bored, let's try something else"
I hope you feel better soon! Regarding 397, Sakura has a lot more history with Nacho than with Plot though. You're right that she hasn't really reached out to us very hard yet. I'm hoping this will change when she returns from her V/LA. I'm willing to trust goodmorning on beeboy for now since she's played with him recently but it's ridiculous that someone has written over 25% of the game all by himself, and Tammy and pistachi0n are right that when you boil it down there's just not a lot there. I've been trying to think if this is how i feel about beeboy or not:
The less you have to sell, the harder you sell it!
The less you have to say, the louder you yell it!
The dumber the act, the bigger the confession!
The less you have to show, the larger you dress it!
I mean it is how I feel I just don't think he's scum for it which is unfortunate, because I'd support a policy lynch there if I didn't have stronger scumreads elsewhere, namely: Mirhawk. I'm interested in your Mirhawk push. I was okay with their earlier posting, such as 82 and 93, at the time they were posted, but davesaz is a fairly easy target so I'm not as happy with those posts now as I was when I first read them.
I like that in 117 they point out that being self involved isn't a scumtell because I agree that it's a humantell not a scumtell. I don't like that the rest of that post is semantics and also this post is defending Seniors from beeboy. I've been trying to figure out if Mirhawk is whiteknighting town Seniors or defending a buddy but there's been enough resistance to the Seniors wagon and if Mirhawk has prior experience with beeboy then Mirhawk might have been able to predict that beeboy wouldn't let go once he latched on. Mirhawk does confirm in 300 that they've played together before with beeboy.
I agree with a lot of the points that are being made against them, especially that they seem to be working from too much information. Mirhawk seemed to know that Ami was gambitting when the rest of us didn't and I wasn't impressed with their posturing around the claims, for example 349 and 350 just don't seem natural. Mirhawk first is suspecting that Ami is scum counterclaiming Pistachi0n which someone mentioned would be suicidal if they were scum and I agree and seems to already know that Pistachi0n is town but doesn't mind lynching them anyway. I agree with everyone who has raised these points.
When Mirhawk tried to push Ami to reveal that she's not really a miller, i was thinking that Mirhawk was distancing from her buddy's suicidal scumplay but I think it just makes more sense as a reaction test now that it's been retracted and both Ami and Pistachi0n are probably town. I think Mirhawk knew that they were both town from the start and has been doing a poor job of hiding it. I find it's a lot easier to spot a gambit when I'm scum because it helps that I already know the alignments of the people who are doing it, so it pings me that Mirhawk's first assumption was gambit and was trying to push for the gambit to be revealed before it was when it's better to let as many people react to it as possible. I think Mirhawk felt threatened that a number of people would look town via their reactions to Amihan's gambit and wanted to cut it off early.
VOTE: Mirhawk L-6
pedit: Mirhawk wants towncred for knowing pistachi0n's alignment. I am happy with my vote.
IDK why it felt out of place, but it did. Doesn't matter about the history. I agree with you about Beeboy. I already said prior to GM townreading him that a lot of it was noise. (I brought it up before tammy though<3.)
Eh, I think there's more people deserving of votes or even scummier that I would rather lynch over a forced policy lynch. I'm okay with Mirhawk as a lynch and actually more recently I'd be okay with a FS lynch too. There's other players not really playing that are more of a /better/ policy lynch than Beeboy.
I'm not really sure that Dav being an easy target? IDK I'm pretty sure that if he wanted to pick an easier target he could have
I can see where you're reading into the Beeboy v FS. I'd pretty much be okay with one of the lynches today being {FS or Mirhaw}.
That's what bothered me most about the Mirhawk post around the miller claim. It felt like he saw right through it and that he was fencesitting himself to go either way and kinda show that he knew Ami was lying.
If Mirhawk flips scum; I'd prob say that FS could potentially be a huge partner.
What exactly do you want to know regarding my Mirhawk push?
~M
(ugh i can't really speak today. idk why im rattled, but if that didnt make sense let me know)
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:09 am
by THE WRONG WAGON
↑beeboy wrote:I like how I stopped posting and Seniors is using me as excuse to idle still. Obv scuming 101
Alright can you fucking knock it off.
If you think FS is scum then push him. The fact you're coming in to dish one liners like this and not pushing them and having your vote with Spiffeh's bothers me.
Or at least try to engage with other players on other reads.
~M
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:10 am
by THE WRONG WAGON
sircakez is prob town btw
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:32 am
by Rob14
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:33 am
by Rob14
Unless I'm told otherwise, I'm assuming that the other half of The Pied Piper is still available to meet activity requirements. I hope things work out, Plotinus.
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:37 am
by The Pied Piper
Your assumption is correct; I am here to pick up Plotinus's song where theirs left off.
And then, when they return, our individual melodies will merge into a beautiful song that will crack this game open like an egg flung from a skyscraper onto concrete.
↑beeboy wrote:I like how I stopped posting and Seniors is using me as excuse to idle still. Obv scuming 101
Your vote on Swords still seems like "meh, I'm bored, let's try something else"
What do you think of Swords actually?
The Pied Piper wrote:Your assumption is correct; I am here to pick up Plotinus's song where theirs left off.
And then, when they return, our individual melodies will merge into a beautiful song that will crack this game open like an egg flung from a skyscraper onto concrete.
This is why I love Nacho
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:48 am
by THE WRONG WAGON
I love nacho when he's actually playing and not posting elsewhere, but ignoring this game like the plague.
Does this mean that you're final admitting you really don't know how to read me after?
(Not being bitchy, this really does make me happy. It's a lot lot lot easier to deal with someone suspecting you when they admit they can't really read you than when they think they can and you're as town as you can be and you're dealing with suspicion.)
I feel zippidy doo dah!
I'll respond to your post later. In the middle of something right now. But I do want to ask why you thought I was scum reading the Pied Piper?
