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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:29 am

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Ok Fonz I would apprieciate a response sooner rather then later please.
Also with only 3 of us I would like to know if anyone's vote is locked in at this time.
Skruffs are you sure about Fonz?
Fonz are you sure about your vote against me?
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:05 am

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Well.. Pretty sure. His stalling isn't helping me change my mind, for sure.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:05 am

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If at the end of hte day, though, if you are voting me and he is voting you, I am going to vote you to make sure that at least we have a chance of winning.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:08 am

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The rules state that, if no one is granted immunity by the players, then immunity is randomly assigned.

I am probably going to suspend this rule for Day 5 since I don't want the outcome to be determined by a random assignment, which could happen.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:11 am

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I would agree. Randomly giving scum immunity would be a horrible end of the game.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:22 am

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Skruffs wrote:If at the end of hte day, though, if you are voting me and he is voting you, I am going to vote you to make sure that at least we have a chance of winning.
Well Fonz's stalling and lack of comments has me wanting to vote him for the same reasons you are talking about voting for me. I don't want the town to loose. I really think that if Fonz was town he would care and fight more so there wasn't a tie. I have a lot of issues with his play since he took over. I'm trying to get more discussion and less stalling so I can move onto other mini's starting soon.
To keep things interesting and make sure some random scum doesn't get immunity I'm going to do this
Immunity Skruffs

Also I will give Fonz till Friday, but if he doesn't have anything to say by then I would suggest opening the polls.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:37 am

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You are changing your mind about me being scum?
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:09 am

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Skruffs wrote:You are changing your mind about me being scum?
I found Gorgon scummy more then you. I found Elias town, but Fonz's play is anti town and there for scummy. He has focused on me with no case and when asked just keeps saying nothing helpful. In of that self is scummie.
In the end if Fonz is town and you are scum I will be upset because his play has not helped at all and when the game ends I will point out that town lost because of him. However if he is scum well his play lost it for scum.
I really don't want to keep waiting and waiting for Fonz to come up and say something that has merrit behind it. I have asked repeately for something from him and he has yet to give anything useful. I've seen him play town before and his actions are not that of a town member. So between Fonz and you I would say you are town.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:35 am

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Mod I just found this under V/LA from Fonz
Dear all,

Without wanting to depress you all with the gory details, my life's been going to hell in a handbasket over the last week or so. I have a free evening tonight, and will endeavour to post in all my games. After this, I am unlikely to find more than a handful of minutes per evening to devote to MS for the rest of the week. The game I'm modding takes precedence, so I would appreciate consideration of this from game mods and fellow players.

Thankyou
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I know there is 16 days left before deadline, but I really don't want to see this game stalled/ hurt due to a player that is having problems. If Fonz is busy and agrees I would like to ask for him to have a replacement.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:24 pm

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Actually, I'll bring myself to speed tonight. I've posted in all my other games. 16 days with three players is plenty.

This game is kinda frustrating because it seems so incredibly obvious i'm town.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:40 pm

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The Fonz wrote:Actually, I'll bring myself to speed tonight. I've posted in all my other games. 16 days with three players is plenty.

This game is kinda frustrating because it seems so incredibly obvious i'm town.
Elias was town in my eyes, but you haven't posted anything productive and I have asked repeatedly for why you think I'm scum. You thought that yesterday and now today because of WIFOM logic. That is terrible.
I hope you can catch up. I'm trying not to have this game lag on and waiting for 16 days for last minute responses because I have 4 mini's and would like to sign up for one before it fills up.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:58 pm

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farside22 wrote:Mod I just found this under V/LA from Fonz
Dear all,

Without wanting to depress you all with the gory details, my life's been going to hell in a handbasket over the last week or so. I have a free evening tonight, and will endeavour to post in all my games. After this, I am unlikely to find more than a handful of minutes per evening to devote to MS for the rest of the week. The game I'm modding takes precedence, so I would appreciate consideration of this from game mods and fellow players.

Thankyou
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I know there is 16 days left before deadline, but I really don't want to see this game stalled/ hurt due to a player that is having problems. If Fonz is busy and agrees I would like to ask for him to have a replacement.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:37 pm

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Firstly, I'll deal with the confirmed scum's posts relating to you two.


Cow's interactions towards farside

hasdgfas wrote:
Holy wrote:
farside22 wrote:
FOS: Akonas
self immunity looks scummie.
Somehow true... But that kind of action seems attracting attentions, I still have a doubt that a scum would attract attention like that.
Hello Mr. WIFOM. How are you today?
Tacit support of farside's position. This is followed by:
hasdgfas wrote:
immunity: farside

I've liked what he's said so far.
More obvious connection. Now this isn't really something that can be argued about- any discussion of it is WIFOM. But it's a possible scumtell.

Cow wades into the Akonas/farside argument on farside's side.
hasdgfas wrote:I have to agree with opie. I didn't think anything of a pairing of akonas and Holy until akonas mentioned something. In addition, why would he just think that farside and I are a team. I said I liked what he has said so far. He hasn't said much of anything about me from what I've seen, so why does he automatically assume that we're grouped together?
Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much...

Qman's interactions towards farside

Qman wrote:On a somewhat quick readthrough, a few things stand out.

Farside and hasdgfas: Tenuous link at best with the immunity trade, worth noting? yes. Worth making a big deal out of? Not currently.
Distancing?
farside22:
Gettings a strong protown vibe. Asks direct questions, has a good grasp and ability to be direct was valid attacks and points. He and the spelling impaired guy (hasdfgas hereafter H-man) have a short talk about H-mans question about open/closed voting. I agree that the question H-man asked was much more pro-scum than pro-town.
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Back up one scumbuddy early and distance from the other? Not uncommon.
Qman wrote:
Elias_the_thief wrote:shortlist of scum? if so, why am i on it?
Those are the people I need more time to feel out. If I had to choose today I'd choose to vote for someone on that list.


You make some valid points about what has gone on so far. I don't *think* you are scum, but I'm very uncomfortable with your current playstyle and attitude, with with the abrupt refusal to give a more expanded list of what you see in players other than Farside. I don't like anyone who tunnel visions. That
uncomfortable
feeling is why you are on it. I am leaning towards you being a pro-town player gone off the path in your attacks on farside but I'm not sure yet.
Accuses Elias of tunneling on farside. This seems like a way to defend farside without actually rebutting any of Elias' arguments.
Qman wrote:investigated 2 of the following three: Rigel, Farside, and Quickben.

I'd put the odds of a Quickben Night 0 investigation at 99.99%, with Rigel about 60% and farside around 40% for Night 1.
Suggests farside may have been investigated. (Not the strongest point, but one can see how implying the possibility of an innocent investigation could help a buddy).
Qman wrote:Just to bump this and make my thoughts clearwhere I'm standing suspect wise

Possible Scum
Holy

Midrange in decending order
Farside
Elias
Gorgon
Shanba

Town
Mgm

I'd be willing to lynch holy or farside at this time, though a Holy lynch is much prefered.
Scumbuddy second?

Holy or Farside will get my vote.
Hmmm, wonder which.


Hascow-Ibby relations:


One post, where Hascow offers a defence of his WIFOM comment, for which Ibby voted him.

Qman-IbbY: Never mentions her

Qman-Gorgon:

Answers gorgon's question on Elias vs Farside.
Some game theory discussion
Claims that the group of 'Farside, Elias, and Gorgon' are all 'in the middle' very close to one another in terms of scumminess.

Then, when Skruffs replaces in, we have:
Gorgon was worthless and didn't comment
Suddenly finds Gorgon a lot scummier than he ever did whilst he was in the game.


Qman-Skruffs:


Qman accuses Skruffs of 'ducking saying anything.'


Now, I will take a look at the living players' own posts referencing dead scum:

Farside


Votes immunity to cow, then removes it shortly thereafter.

Some game theory.

Akonas calls farside and cow as partners. He dies at night.
hasdgfas - This one is more on gut. His rules question seemed odd. I know this won't make sense, but I thought why would someone want to know if voting was open to the public or hidden. He WIFOM, which Holy WIFOM back voting for me. I thought hasdfas WIFOM holy so I'm confused with those two interactions. Gives immunity to me (female by the way) saying the FOS was insightful, admits it is a null tell, then says Akonas FOS on me and his statement was also the reason he voted for Akonas. I felt like hasdfas has back tracked a bit here.

Vote: hasdgfas

Skruffs, read farside's posts up to this. It looks to me a rather abrupt change of direction. Note that farside had not mentioned cow between the immunity post and this one (though she did unimmunity).
farside22 wrote: Top 3 scums
1) Qman - 1 good post and has vanished again. I've only played one game with him and usually he is a lot more vocal then this. This may just be meta for me.
2) Boggzie - His excuse just rings hollow in my ears and I just feel he couldn't handle the pressure when asked about a comment. He may feel he didn't understand the game, but with a simple question it shouldn't be difficult to answer.
3) QuickBen - Is he even here any more.
So, Qman is top suspect? This again seems rather contrived.

Four posts later:
farside22 wrote: Top two scum suspects:
hasdgfas - I had my own comments in regards to hasdgfas. His commentary is less then satifactory. He seems to be floating between being here and not trying.
Boggzie: Still leaving a bad taste in my mouth. (waiting for replacement to speak before offically vote)
So where did Qman go?

(This, incidentally, is the kind of inconsistency I was talking about).
farside22 wrote:Well tomorrow is election day. I don't know if we have enough information to tell us who is scum, who the SK is, or who we feel is completely town. My final vote will be for
Quick Ben
. I hate to repeat myself, but his lack of communication and scum hunting. No substance can be found anywhere from his post. I just feel that gut feeling that tells me he is not saying much because he is scum.
So both cow and Qman have been PE No1 at various points in the day, but she ends the day voting Quickben.
farside22 wrote: 1) Quick Ben - Do we really have to keep pulling teeth to get an answer or input from this person? Lacks any scum hunting and lurks, lurks, lurks.
2) Elias - At first I thought it an odd thing for the Mod to put two people as scum in a game that was scum before however his lastest post doesn't answer anything and he is taking Akonas post and running with it. His vote against Hascow was gut and he talks about my comment about quick ben and hascow, but neglects to mention my comments about Akonas and defending his actions although a few people found him scummie.
3) Holy - Not contributing as much. Very little said in regards to scum. Hasn't really come across saying much of anything.
No Qman at all?
farside22 wrote:.

My
vote MGM
for now. I didn't like quick ben's disappearing act and non chatter and now Mgm is trying to make some weak case against me.
Immunity: Qman


I consider out of everyone who has contributed the only one I trust at this point.
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farside22 wrote:Really how long do I wait on Mgm after I felt that QB was doing nothing and offering nothing? Was my vote really OMGUS since I felt that QB was my #2 behind or next to hascow?
Hmmm. Not for most of the day it wasn't. And if cow was one and QB 2, why is the vote on the second scummiest?

farside22 wrote:Okay I did my reread and I have 3 top suspects and questions for each of you.

Shanba


Gorgon (replaces ibaesha)


Holy


I'm not sure who of the 3 I trust the lease they have all said something scummie along the way that just didn't sit right with me.

farside22 wrote:Real quickly 2 things I wanted to point out. Vote day is April 7th. So I would like to see where people lay inso far as who they are looking to vote for. I will be on V/LA starting this Thursday April 3 until April 9th (approx). So if you folks have any quick thoughts on your top 2 choices I would like the hear about them.

1. Gorgon
2. Holy

farside22 wrote: @Qman: I'm not really seeing your case against Holy. The whole WIFOM is not as much as you made it out. She did ask you why you didn't bring up the comments earlier which you neglected to mention. We only have a few days. I didn't see anyone else really have there top votes up. Please post your top suspects and why. Top 2 or 3 whatever you have.
One thing since reading everything and I agree with Qman in one respect for now that Mgm has nothing to worry about putting out who we would give immunity to also helps us finding scum. So if you have people you really think of as town I would suggest someone besides Mgm.
unimmunity Mgm
Immunity: The Fonz

After my argument with Elias and a few things that the Fonz has stated I feel he is one of the few people who I see as a town player. He is dogging issues and pressing points well.
Vote: Skruff or Qman

Rediscovers Qman suspicion out of nowhere.

Pseudovote: Skruff

This can easily be q-man.[/quote]

Goes after Skruffs early, but switches to Qman when it becomes apparent that a Skruffs lynch is not happening.
farside22 wrote:Well I'm still thinking Skruffs and Q-man at this point. Q-man has flip floped and pushed at Holy. Looking at who voted for holy and who I feel is town Elias/Fonz and Mgm that leaves those two.
farside22 wrote:
Skruffs wrote:I don't follow what you are trying to say farside.

If nobody else was voting Qman, but he intended to - because he wanted Qman lynched - why wouldn't he promote it?
yes why promote it. There are 5 players doesn't that mean lylo at this point? Why promote lynching your partner if you are scum. I'm the only one really looking at q-man and you. Mgm doesn't seem to have an opinion and you are looking at the Fonz. If you believe they are partners would you be up for lynching q-man?
What happened to this argument, farside?

I do really feel like farside was trying to get on my good side early on, and only flipped of necessity.

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Other farside things:

Her 'scumhunting' seems to basically consist of constantly calling people out for not contributing. Pretty much every player that ever went inactive, she was attacking for
'lurking.'

Her arguments against Elias are pretty much all about 'tunnel vision' and she never actually addresses any of his points. (At the time, i somewhat discounted this, for the abovementioned reason that I always find farside's arguments scummy and irrational).



On Skruffs/Gorgon/Ibby:

Ibby doesn't stay long, but is first on the Hascow wagon.

Gorgon: Makes out that Elias' vote on Cow looks like last-minute distancing. (As I said, I don't see this. That vote actually really made a difference on the outcome of the day. To start out going after a scum, then waver, but come back to make the difference - very town in my eyes).

Gives immunity to Akonas-cop.

Overall, his votes seem to betray a certain independence: he doesn't appear to be following the crowd.

Skruffs replaces in. Goes after... me. Again, looks independent. (I did wonder if Skruffs' 'farside looks obvtown' bit was buddying up- which was a large part of why I voted Qman and not farside. Qman with either looked plausible, but not the two of you together, whilst Qman made sense as scum with either). It was very unlikely that Skruffs would get me lynched- going after farside, needing only one town vote, seemed very much the optimal scum strategy there if it were Skruffs-Qman.
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On Skruffs' 'distancing' theory.

You keep pressing this 'why did Fonz vote Qman when it appeared no one else would.' I have demonstrated that at least two other players did in fact have Qman in their top two candidates. Apart from Holy, he was the player with most suspicion on him.

On 'Fonz is playing differently'

I'd like to know how this differs from my town play in general. It differs from my play in Nightmare, sure: I replaced into these two games at exactly the same time, and found that one really easy to get into- a saw a very strong scumcase immediately upon replacing in (on Angelmouse- town, natch). Here, no-one stood out anywhere near as much. It's a natural tendency to put more time and effort into games that are fun and fastmoving, and where you feel you are making headway.

I just feel like this is a really easy, vague way of making a case without demonstrating anything as scummy.

On 'Fonz takes risks as scum'

I'd like to see you point me to an example of this, too (I believe I've only been scum in a game you were in in big love?) Also, is that argument not incompatible with 'I believe Fonz chickened out yesterday?' (Especially since my farside suspicion was entirely defensible, even if the vote had gone the other way).

On 'Fonz knows stuff'

Again, show what you mean. I replaced in, Qman looked to me to be deliberately trying to be middle-of-the-pack, and so I voted him. How does that imply additional info?

Finally, I find farside's turning on a dime today to be really quite blatant.\

Oh, and did anyone notice Qman rolefishing me yesterday?

On 'Fonz will cost his side the game'

Well, naturally. If you're town and you're wrong in endgame, you lose. It's nothing to be afraid of.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:00 am

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Listen I know I went back and forth alot especially in the beginning. Things were slow and I was trying to get some people to talk more. I already explained I knew cow which is why when I first gave immunity it was to him. I'm not going to get into the whole WIFOM on this so I will carry on.
hascow caught my attention at first then people started flaking and I agreed that one of the flakers could be scum (which I stated with one of those list that had qman). Then more discussion. Some of the things that I came up with was like a moment were I was like you know what this person is acting a bit too scummy and stated between Arkonsas and hascow I thought hascow was the right person to vote for and I believed at the time (if you look at the votes) that it was close to a tie. I even defended Arkonsas that day.
I admit Opie was my biggest mistake. I really thought him looking at the whole WIFOM logic with hascow and I connection and dropping it when pressed was scummy. It was also the reason you see about 2 pages of argument between Elias and I because he was using the same logic. I figured someone was scum would try and do that. I felt Elias defended himself well and Opie just dropped it which is why I was suspicious of him.
As for my play today. Well there are 3 people left and there should be more discussion going on then there is. I know my alignment. I'm been attacked over and over since day 2 by qman, elias, and you for that hascow connection. I'm just trying to get this game moving along so I can go play in this one mini before it is full (I'm in 4 mini's and can't sign up for another until one is done and this is the closest one to finishing).
A tie does not help. Rishi's rule (which I'm wondering if he is just going to nix it or if we have to vote immunity for someone) is bad.
I'm not sure Fonz who you are trying to convince I'm scum. All that logic is based on qman and hascow actions. I tried to do the same thing in one of my post and in the end both you and Skruff have a possiblity of being scum with them.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:03 am

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farside22 wrote: A tie does not help. Rishi's rule (which I'm wondering if he is just going to nix it or if we have to vote immunity for someone) is bad.
Consider it nixed for today. I think it leads to interesting possibilities earlier in the game, but I recognize it could be game-breaking right now.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:05 am

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Rishi wrote:
farside22 wrote: A tie does not help. Rishi's rule (which I'm wondering if he is just going to nix it or if we have to vote immunity for someone) is bad.
Consider it nixed for today. I think it leads to interesting possibilities earlier in the game, but I recognize it could be game-breaking right now.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:21 am

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farside22 wrote:Listen I know I went back and forth alot especially in the beginning. Things were slow and I was trying to get some people to talk more. I already explained I knew cow which is why when I first gave immunity it was to him. I'm not going to get into the whole WIFOM on this so I will carry on.
Correct. It was either a scum move or not, but it's not provable either way. Your subsequent giving of immunity to Qman after you'd previously had him as top suspect is a far bigger tell.

hascow caught my attention at first then people started flaking and I agreed that one of the flakers could be scum (which I stated with one of those list that had qman). Then more discussion. Some of the things that I came up with was like a moment were I was like you know what this person is acting a bit too scummy and stated between Arkonsas and hascow I thought hascow was the right person to vote for and I believed at the time (if you look at the votes) that it was close to a tie. I even defended Arkonsas that day.
Why did you say your final vote would be for Quickben, then vote Hascow?
I admit Opie was my biggest mistake. I really thought him looking at the whole WIFOM logic with hascow and I connection and dropping it when pressed was scummy. It was also the reason you see about 2 pages of argument between Elias and I because he was using the same logic. I figured someone was scum would try and do that.
Translation: I backed off from the argument with Elias because I was losing. I didn't have any counter to his actual points, so I just accused him of tunnelling. Bit like how you haven't begun to counter most of my points here, in fact.

I felt Elias defended himself well and Opie just dropped it which is why I was suspicious of him.
As for my play today. Well there are 3 people left and there should be more discussion going on then there is.
Well, it's not like you've been coming out with lists of questions you wanted answering to help discern alignment, have you? Your play today consists in saying you suspected skruffs, attacking me for not posting, and then flipping to attack me on the very vague point of 'he's playing differently.'

I know my alignment. I'm been attacked over and over since day 2 by qman, elias, and you for that hascow connection. I'm just trying to get this game moving along so I can go play in this one mini before it is full (I'm in 4 mini's and can't sign up for another until one is done and this is the closest one to finishing).
I think the game's moving just fine. After all, I've pretty much decided who I'm going to vote for. (If something is already taking signups, it's very unlikely not to be full before this one ends). I will continue to try to convince Skruffs that you are the scum for as long as there's any benefit in doing so.
I'm not sure Fonz who you are trying to convince I'm scum.
Really? Guess. Go on. Try. It's not Schmuffs.

All that logic is based on qman and hascow actions. I tried to do the same thing in one of my post and in the end both you and Skruff have a possiblity of being scum with them.
And your point is? Interactions with known scum are a great way to catch other scum! That you appear to have tried to look like you suspected Qman without doing anything to bring about his lynch, until the only alternative lynch was you, is a fairly good reason to suspect. (Btw, when you claimed that the pol stole your vote, who DID you try to vote for?) That you repeatedly went after inactives is a point against you.

And again. If I'm scum, this game would have ended already.
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I forgot I even gave immunity to qman. I actually had to go back. I really don't remember what was going on during that time. Things had slowed down to the point of stalling and qman is good at playing and looking town. I didn't think about him more till he started attacking Holly.
As for my vote from QB to hascow it was because I was concerned that Arkonsas might get voted for and believed he was more town then hascow so I dropped qb and decided to worry about him the next day (which I did attack him the next day)
2 pages of argument and you think I backed off? Are you feeling alright? That is rediculous. Elias and I were going over the same points over and over.
I have been asking you since the votes before qman was voted off your case against me. This is the first time you actually made a worthwhile case. Since we came back for this last day everyone has been quiet until recently and with 3 players I would think it would be more active then it has been. I disagree with you about the pace.
I asked if you who you were trying to convince I'm scum as sarcasm. (jokingly thinking that are you trying to convince yourself)
I was voting for qman when the Pol went after my vote and changed it to Holy (Shanba I want to know your reasoning when this game is over). I even said I was going to vote for qman at the end of that day.
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farside22 wrote:I forgot I even gave immunity to qman. I actually had to go back. I really don't remember what was going on during that time. Things had slowed down to the point of stalling and qman is good at playing and looking town. I didn't think about him more till he started attacking Holly.
As for my vote from QB to hascow it was because I was concerned that Arkonsas might get voted for and believed he was more town then hascow so I dropped qb and decided to worry about him the next day (which I did attack him the next day)
Despite saying it was your final vote?

2 pages of argument and you think I backed off? Are you feeling alright? That is rediculous. Elias and I were going over the same points over and over.
no it isn't. You started buddying up to Elias post-argument.

I have been asking you since the votes before qman was voted off your case against me. This is the first time you actually made a worthwhile case.
My case was that you'd been illogical, inconsistent, and tied to the dead scum. I made it before. I just explained it here. As I said, my initial leaning towards you as the scum was based as much on Skruffs being town as you being scum.
Since we came back for this last day everyone has been quiet until recently and with 3 players I would think it would be more active then it has been. I disagree with you about the pace.
I asked if you who you were trying to convince I'm scum as sarcasm. (jokingly thinking that are you trying to convince yourself)
I got it, thanks.
I was voting for qman when the Pol went after my vote and changed it to Holy (Shanba I want to know your reasoning when this game is over). I even said I was going to vote for qman at the end of that day.
Actually, you didn't. You said you'd vote Qman or Skruffs. Then yesterday morning, you tested the waters on a Skruffs wagon, before going to Qman when it was apparent it was either he or ye.

(@ Skruffs: Still think 'no one else was intending to' vote Qman?)
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The Fonz wrote: Despite saying it was your final vote?
I thought QB was the play, but reading things and seeing the votes I wasn't willing to let Arkonsas be lynched.
no it isn't. You started buddying up to Elias post-argument.
I don't recall buddying up to Elias. I would like to see where you are talking about this or make points quotes as such.


My case was that you'd been illogical, inconsistent, and tied to the dead scum. I made it before. I just explained it here. As I said, my initial leaning towards you as the scum was based as much on Skruffs being town as you being scum.
Seriously you have never said that till now. You pointed out that I was inconsistent with my vote when it came to Holy, but I pointed out that the pol changed my vote. Then you backed off and never said anything else. Then you go back to Qman attack. It wasn't till today that you made any real points.
Actually, you didn't. You said you'd vote Qman or Skruffs. Then yesterday morning, you tested the waters on a Skruffs wagon, before going to Qman when it was apparent it was either he or ye.
I stated Skruff or Qman because I believe them to be scum buddies. I believed Elias to be town and know my alignment so either one to me was a good lynch.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:06 am

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You
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(present) them to be buddies?
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:13 am

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The Fonz wrote:You
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(present) them to be buddies?
Yup.
I thought about the night choice.
I thought okay fonz kills MGM and he has to convice Skruffs I'm scum. Well MGM was listening more to Fonz then anyone and would be easy for him to convince MGM to vote against me (especially seeing that MGM voted for me in the first place). So Fonz killing MGM doesn't make sense.
Skruffs kills MGM already see's Fonz wants to lynch me. My bet is Skruffs will never make a case against me and since he already said as a town he would break the tie by voting for me (his only reason to vote against me). In the end Skruffs will vote against me and scum will win. Skruffs will never make a case against me and let you do all the work. Good job scum.
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farside22 wrote:
The Fonz wrote:You
believe
(present) them to be buddies?
Yup.
I thought about the night choice.
I thought okay fonz kills MGM and he has to convice Skruffs I'm scum. Well MGM was listening more to Fonz then anyone and would be easy for him to convince MGM to vote against me (especially seeing that MGM voted for me in the first place).
Of course, in that situation, you leaving MGM alive doesn't make sense either. There's a fair bit of wifom there.

Skruffs kills MGM already see's Fonz wants to lynch me. My bet is Skruffs will never make a case against me and since he already said as a town he would break the tie by voting for me (his only reason to vote against me). In the end Skruffs will vote against me and scum will win. Skruffs will never make a case against me and let you do all the work. Good job scum.
Actually, I was fairly open minded at the start of the day. (Tbh, I actually thought Mgm might be scum after all between the lynch and the nightkill, since Qman was so strongly pushing the 'quickben was investigated' idea. I was expecting to die myself).
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:44 am

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The Fonz wrote: Actually, I was fairly open minded at the start of the day. (Tbh, I actually thought Mgm might be scum after all between the lynch and the nightkill, since Qman was so strongly pushing the 'quickben was investigated' idea. I was expecting to die myself).
I've seen you only attack me. You didn't seem open minded at all in regards to who you wish to vote against.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:07 am

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That particular part would make me more willing to believe Skruffs is town. OTOH, the general gist I've gotten of each of your play is probably less scummy than his. Hmmm... we'll see.
I really wasn't sure. It's a case of whether the omgus instinct or the farside-is-always-scum instinct takes precedence.

I then went over both of your posts, and noticed that you appeared to be considerably scummier than him.
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