Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[WhemeStar]

so from one perspective this is sort of easy: I have 3 townreads and 2 null-scum reads.

Okay who

[WhemeStar]

So scum already know what happened tonight.
So I'm going to straight up ask RC, were you the target last night?

No need to dance around the question anymore.
Like I said the previous day, I now trust you, where do we go from here?

To mod: I'm at a caravan site until sunday morning (gmt +3), but if all goes well, I can participate with my phone.

Small chance I don't have Internet action at times, and I need to spend time with my godson.

what.

That can only mean one of three options:
1) RadCow is telling the truth about BP and was targeted last night. Scum must have not trusted that claim though because why the hell would they waste a night kill on him?
2) RadCow is actually doctor (He could have claimed BP knowing that there would be no CC since he is the doctor) to avoid him getting killed in the night and correctly saved who was targeted. If this is the case, who did you save RadCow? That person is now confirmed town.

I can't see scum just passing up the opportunity to at least try for a night kill. That just wouldn't benefit them at all, right? I don't think the possible confusion it could cause town would be worth the extra person they have for voting.

Feel like one of these came from scum

[WhaleBarnicle]

I have 3 townreads and 2 null-scum reads.

I'm more interested in this though. Since this is MYLO why not just come right out and say them? (Genuine question from a newbie)

[WhaleBarnicle]

Wheme you're on here, what say you about last night? Why shouldn't we all think its you, the person who so gleefully dropped the hammer with very little reason?

[Miles Edgeworth]

I don't think I can solve this game if WhemeStar is town.

Removing myself and RadiantCowbells from the equation, the last two mafia are among the other four players. UnaBombaH, WhaleBarnicle and PersephoneSidekick all have a reasonable amount of "game solving" types of posts. One of them has to be faking it, of course, and for scum to get this far unscathed that's not even particularly surprising.
I suppose there's no reason there can't be

two

scum doing reasonable game-solving things, but when I look at WhemeStar's ISO compared to them, it's extremely lacking. He's coasted really hard through his time in this game, and the only clear position he took on anybody this game (WhyMafia is scum) turned out to be incorrect. Outside of getting WhyMafia lynched, he hasn't been invested in any outcomes this game, and on rereading his ISO I don't actually see any reason given by him to think WhyMafia was scum in the first place.

[RadiantCowbells]

So let's say Wheme is in fact scum. What are your reads in UNa/Whale/Persephone?

[Miles Edgeworth]

The only conclusion I can make about the nightkill is that scum felt the risk of keeping a fresh set of eyes in the game was worth leaving us with an additional suspect to consider. I don't think we can make realistic guesses about why that's the case without knowing who the scumteam is, so we shouldn't waste time on that line of questioning.

[RadiantCowbells]

The only conclusion I can make about the nightkill is that scum felt the risk of keeping a fresh set of eyes in the game was worth leaving us with an additional suspect to consider. I don't think we can make realistic guesses about why that's the case without knowing who the scumteam is, so we shouldn't waste time on that line of questioning.

this was the only nightkill that was ever going to be made.

[WhemeStar]

Wheme you're on here, what say you about last night? Why shouldn't we all think its you, the person who so gleefully dropped the hammer with very little reason?

Didn't know dropping hammers is scummy

I thought he would flip scum, I was wrong

[Miles Edgeworth]

Good question. I think I lean marginally toward Una over Perse for the 2nd if Wheme is scum. Both of them dance around a lot with "wanting to vote Wheme" or even voting Wheme throughout day 2, but both end up on WhyMafia in the end, which is pretty suspicious. Perse interacted directly and naturally-sounding with Wheme more just from reading their ISOs, which I think all else equal makes her the less likely partner, since mafia (especially newer ones, which we can expect people in newbie queues to be?) tend to have trouble interacting with each other genuinely. Una did more talking about Wheme being suspicious and wanting to kill him than talking directly to him.

Whale seems substantially less likely than either. Whale is the one I think is most town of that bunch anyway, but Wheme flipping scum would practically lock Whale as town.

[Miles Edgeworth]

It does bother me how fervently Persephone wanted to kill Wheme to start day 2, that Wheme did nothing to make her change her mind, but that she nonetheless ended up voting with Wheme on somebody else, though.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I take it back, I think Persephone is a more reasonable partner than Una for Wheme. I think it's still pretty close, but rereading her progression on Wheme, something isn't right.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Bleh, I'm really tired today; sorry for not contributing anything yet. I did read the new stuff but nothing immediately jumps out as changing my impression of things. I'm still leaning Una/Miles with more confidence on Una than Miles, but I should really do a more careful reread of yesterday with the knowledge that WhyMafia was town. I'll have a lot of free time saturday so I'll try to reread the whole thing then if I can.

[PersephoneSidekick]

I take it back, I think Persephone is a more reasonable partner than Una for Wheme. I think it's still pretty close, but rereading her progression on Wheme, something isn't right.

I realize my 180 on him looked pretty weird but it was more an epiphany than that anything had changed. I had been suspicious of Wheme for unmotivated vote changes, but then I suddenly understood the intuition of one of his votes and that made me realize he was being opaque rather than arbitrary.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I take it back, I think Persephone is a more reasonable partner than Una for Wheme. I think it's still pretty close, but rereading her progression on Wheme, something isn't right.

I realize my 180 on him looked pretty weird but it was more an epiphany than that anything had changed. I had been suspicious of Wheme for unmotivated vote changes, but then I suddenly understood the intuition of one of his votes and that made me realize he was being opaque rather than arbitrary.

So you say that you were suspicious of him solely because of him changing his votes without explaining his motivation?

[RadiantCowbells]

Wheme, I want to lynch you right now.

[WhemeStar]

Wheme, I want to lynch you right now.

Why's that

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3.2

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Not Voting

(6): Miles Edgeworth, PersephoneSidekick, UnaBombaH, WhemeStar, WhaleBarnicle, RadiantCowbells

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: August 4 Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-08-03 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[PersephoneSidekick]

I take it back, I think Persephone is a more reasonable partner than Una for Wheme. I think it's still pretty close, but rereading her progression on Wheme, something isn't right.

I realize my 180 on him looked pretty weird but it was more an epiphany than that anything had changed. I had been suspicious of Wheme for unmotivated vote changes, but then I suddenly understood the intuition of one of his votes and that made me realize he was being opaque rather than arbitrary.

So you say that you were suspicious of him solely because of him changing his votes without explaining his motivation?

More that, in the absence of him explaining his motivations, I could think of scum motivations but not couldn't think of town ones. But then I could.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I take it back, I think Persephone is a more reasonable partner than Una for Wheme. I think it's still pretty close, but rereading her progression on Wheme, something isn't right.

I realize my 180 on him looked pretty weird but it was more an epiphany than that anything had changed. I had been suspicious of Wheme for unmotivated vote changes, but then I suddenly understood the intuition of one of his votes and that made me realize he was being opaque rather than arbitrary.

So you say that you were suspicious of him solely because of him changing his votes without explaining his motivation?

More that, in the absence of him explaining his motivations, I could think of scum motivations but not couldn't think of town ones. But then I could.

And that was sufficient for you to move off of him? Nothing else he did was sufficiently suspicious for you to keep your vote on him?

[RadiantCowbells]

Persephone, if you're town, make me believe that you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

in hindsight lynching fykus was a brutal mistake.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, Miles could be scum here.

[Miles Edgeworth]

in hindsight lynching fykus was a brutal mistake.

It was fine. Obviously wrong in hindsight, but besides being wrong I'm not bothered by it, since so many people replaced during day 1. It got people to put their money where their mouths were, which is the main thing you want in a d1 lynch anyway (aside from hitting scum obviously).

[UnaBombaH]

Damn if I were to be at home, I could quote and format better.

WhemeStar actually wrote my thoughts, I too felt that at least one scum was waiting for me to post, because they didnt't want to be the first.
Then again, if Wheme is scum himself, it would still hold up, because he was the one to point it out.

I need to think this out when I'm home, because it's easier to read the whole game/ISOs with an actual screen and no touch controls to mess shit up.

Unless I find something devastating then, my earlier scenario of Wheme->Perse still feels good to me.
Don't want to rush anything though, because WhyMafias flip + no NK really messed up my predictions.