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In post 719, dramonic wrote:

In post 707, BuJaber wrote:Bus driver is so different wtf

In a game where scum have all the power in deciding who goes in which group, giving them the power to change their mind during the day seems cruel and op to me. That is why it's bastardy.

The ONLY reason to give this role to scum would be to fuck with town into falsely townreading the player. It's bastardy.

It's like you think partitioning is bad for town.
It makes scum way easier to lynch.
Then again, there are people like you who don't want to lynch confirmed scum, so...

What's wrong with putting both you and koki in group 2. And putting wisdom and muffin in group 3. Also guuarantees 1 scum if we lynch 2 with the added benefit of protecting 2 townies.

If partitioning helps town what's the point of this setup anyway? Partitioning allows scum to manipulate the lynch.

Partitions gives clues to town and throughout the game we gain info from the partitions and flips. But partition in it's essence is scum's power. That's why they don't have normal night kills. They can guarantee town die with every lynch until we get to below 5 or less living members which is when they're forced to put 1 player alone in a group.

you know, with a few adjustments our reads wouldn't be all that different

but i don't see how you put me that low when your primary scum reads are pine + hf and i'm struggling to believe you haven't formed a read on me either way from my content so far

pedit: @DV obv

OKAY FOLKS TIME TO DO A MAN SWAP

In post 470, dramonic wrote:I've lied to push a lynch I wanted before as town, but it wasn't on

myself

EDIT: I don't need to shade Kokichi I called him scum like 3 posts in <_<

YES THE GLORIOUS MANLY FAKEGUILTY ON TOWN

wait that doesn't sound very MANLY

REAL MEN'S SUGGESTION FOR SWAP

MUFFIN SWAPS HIMSELF INTO GROUP 2 WITH WISDOM

WISDOM SWAPS KOKICHI OUT OF GROUP 2 INTO GROUP 3 AND CAKEZ INTO GROUP 2

LYNCH GROUP 2

OR MAYBE BUJABER OUT OF GROUP 2 THAT WORKS TOO

RMOJ putting koki and dramon in the group that we aren't lynching doesn't work because one of them is confirmed scum.

We have to trust one of them and lynch the other OR lynch both.

dram isn't actually a setup cop, buj...

PS: i ain't dying for your sins, REAL MAN

In post 733, zMuffinMan wrote:PS: i ain't dying for your sins, REAL MAN

WELL THEN JESUS START DOING YOUR JOB

In post 731, BuJaber wrote:RMOJ putting koki and dramon in the group that we aren't lynching doesn't work because one of them is confirmed scum.

We have to trust one of them and lynch the other OR lynch both.

we dont have any more swaps

we can swap you out of group 2 into group 3 and cakez into group 2 would that be better for you?

or do you want a dead dramonic instead of a dead cake?

In post 583, Kokichi Oma wrote:

In post 540, Wisdom wrote:i dont care if you trust me, youre scum trying to prevent the lynch of you and your buddies anyway

@dram

I think it's safer to switch me and someone else. If we switch someone we scumread and they arent the scum, then we are screwed.

Why? Say I switch Pine to 3 and Pine flips town
We still know scum is in Bu/riku

In post 613, havingfitz wrote:If we know there is scum in G2 if we believe Koki's claim...why would we swap someone out of G2 (potentially not the scum) into group three (for potentially a G3 scum) and then vote out G3...potentially helping scum dodge a bullet instead of getting lynched?

If people believe Koki's claim and that he is town wouldn't the best move be to swap him into G3 for anyone (potentially a G3 scum) and vote out G2 for possibly 2 scum removed.

Already has been explained.
If we lynch G2 we lose 3 to 4 townies, including me and Kokichi who are in locktown mode after this.
If we lynch G3 we save both and potentially lynch more than 1 scum.
And even if we miss on the swap, we still know there is scum in whoever wasnt swapped from 2.

In post 614, zMuffinMan wrote:ok, so after thinking it through i don't think anyone should swap anyone and we just lynch group 2 - it's safer to lynch g2 than doing a swap and potentially fucking things up (or hitting less scum as a result)

Muffin you're better than this. Youre scum.

In post 623, Kokichi Oma wrote:So Wisdom, what happens if Pine isn't the scum? I like the safe option of switching me out for someone scummy.

Then we know its riku (or bu but thats unlikely)

In post 645, zMuffinMan wrote:if it makes things easier, im town

Yeah thats why you call me trying to save 3 certain townies over 1 a dumb idea

In post 648, SirCakez wrote:scum probably have some prs of their own to keep balance so i'm more going off play

Yeah, such as muffin's selfswap

In post 660, dramonic wrote:Like I'm pretty sure the

idea

of the role as town would be to fuck up the scum's setup.
What Wisdom is considering doing is fucking up the cop <_<

look at scum flailing
I fucking save 3-4 townies and fuck up nothing
The cop result will still be true tomorrow even if my swap misses

In post 662, dramonic wrote:If he swaps out Koki and Koki was fakeclaiming (which is my primary theory) we're most likely in lylo.

nice narrative
Except koki is 100% town here
scum-koki never even comes up with that claim, much less claim it on his own group

In post 669, Kokichi Oma wrote:Wisdom let's start with this. Which group do we switch in. Group 1 or 3

3. Other than realmen everyone in group3 has strong chances of being scum.

In post 670, BuJaber wrote:

I vote we swap koki with RMOJ

If you dont buy into the "koki might be scum" paranoia why are you against swapping pine/riku to group 3 and lynching group 3?

In post 677, DeasVail wrote:Yes

And whats your proposal?

In post 726, zMuffinMan wrote:you know, with a few adjustments our reads wouldn't be all that different

but i don't see how you put me that low when your primary scum reads are pine + hf and i'm struggling to believe you haven't formed a read on me either way from my content so far

pedit: @DV obv

This doesn't make much sense muffin.

What should I be reading as alignment-relevant from you?

If you were scum, then this is exactly where I would expect you to be on my reads list right now, because it's unlikely you would have done much yet that I would catch onto as scummy.

However, if you are town, then this is not exactly unexpected, because there's almost certainly some subconscious paranoia in relation to your alignment (plus the disaster that it would be for me personally to be reading you as town if you're actually scum )

In post 685, DeasVail wrote:Also I would go for lynching group 2, but am not ready to do it yet.

Am i the only sane person here
Why the fuck lose me and kokichi and two others in order to get one scum
The cop result is not going to disappear overnight

In post 699, BuJaber wrote:Unless one of you actually thinks a swapping role can be scum. Because that seems bastardy to me.

Why cant scum have a selfswap role?