A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[WhemeStar]

NOT READING IC POSTS

[WhemeStar]

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[Innocent Children]

I am around for a bit if anyone has any questions about our slot.

Be aware that if you're asking me about who I think is scummy and who isn't my reads will roughly follow Nancy's as I agree with her when we discuss things but I will certainly be reviewing people's ISOs for more in-depth thoughts and my own personal opinions.

[Innocent Children]

NOT READING IC POSTS

Haters gonna hate

~Disquieted

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Porkens

KK THIS IS ALSO GOOD

I have less doubts about this but I still have doubts

[Innocent Children]

VOTE: Porkens

KK THIS IS ALSO GOOD

I have less doubts about this but I still have doubts

About which? The vote on Porkens or Porkens himself?

~Disquieted

[Invisibility]

on what you thought would be an easy vote

Why do so many people whine about being mislynch bait?

dislike this post also on page 28

[Invisibility]

hmm something tells me that this is NAI for nero

[jjh927]

When I was reading this on my phone I saw a bunch of things to respond to so I'm gonna reread at some point and respond to them

[Nosferatu]

I am not completely caught up from yesterday. Can you link or quote this? Thanks.

if u click on the origin quote that u just quoted and then scroll up you'll actually see the offense immediately before the accusation

[Nosferatu]

Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

nancy says shit like that regardless of alignment.

[jjh927]

JJH flip flop on mastina gives the vibe that he was not prepared for the claim so its likely that they are not w-w but I'm not confident to even bet on that. I still have them both at null pile here.

Also this is the proper time to use this gif not last time

As I also said that night, I don't like how mastina was fighting against people who were saying her role is towny by pushing the "Role != alignment" narrative at all. it feels forced and over the top.

~Sora

I don't recall flipflopping

I still think she's town just a little too defensive of her own general play and I still need her to explain why Skygazer was a bad vote because it was a good vote then and it's got better since then

[jjh927]

wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

Like...

your tone here is screaming fake to me. I don't even understand how couldn't more people call you out then

~Sora

Yeah, well I get told that a lot as town, so that’s completely NAi. “More people” actually don’t have a bias based one ONE freaking game. Wtf happened to every single other game I’ve been town in on here or MU. Why don’t you actually familiarize yourself with my meta or is that too much to ask of you?

I played with both town you and scum you. The points I made has nothing to do with your meta. What meta adds to this is that: I saw you faking this attitude as scum once before so if you're town this time and you're doing this, you're faking it for credit and it's still not real.

so which one is it?

~Sora

Could you link me a time when this happened with acknowledgment of it happening as opposed to just general obliviousness

[jjh927]

seem a bit iffy to me

Shiro is role-playing xd don't you watch enough anime?

~Sora

It was the townread I didn't like not the way in which it was presented

[jjh927]

Why aren't the people I want to talk to posting

who did you want to talk to?

Well, again, waiting on Mastina to say why Skygazer was a "very bad vote", and Mastina basically saying she wasn't gonna post for a while was what sparked that post.

I wanted Whemestar to respond to me but he's doing his own thing. I think he's scum, as are Vaxkiller and Skygazer.

Tbh I mainly want the gamestate to progress which can only happen if people actually vote

[jjh927]

Why the fuck are you rolefishing

Who was role fishing?

~Sora

Jjh

I am not completely caught up from yesterday. Can you link or quote this? Thanks.

He thought it was role fishing when I responded to Nosferatu's claim here

im the letter a

with

Lower case or upper case

It's one of the few times Gamma had content? But it's bad content

[jjh927]

NICE WHEME DIDNT LAST LONG BUT NICE WHEME IS OVER

BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS AND SHEEP ME IN MY QUEST TO LYNCH SCUM

No u

Talk to me about Vizzy and what the differences are between him in GSGDM and him here, and also why are you basically behaving like the 3p Wheme in the same game

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Porkens

KK THIS IS ALSO GOOD

I have less doubts about this but I still have doubts

About which? The vote on Porkens or Porkens himself?

~Disquieted

The vote on Porkens

[mastina]

As it turns out, did in fact have girlfriend time. (We marathoned through the majority of the Whitebeard War arc, starting a couple of episodes before Luffy and co. crashed into the scene, and ending on the episode where

Whitebeard dies

. If you're a OP buff, you can calculate the approximate starting episode and ending episode to figure out how much time that was. )

But am here now.

[NicoRobin]

As it turns out, did in fact have girlfriend time. (We marathoned through the majority of the Whitebeard War arc, starting a couple of episodes before Luffy and co. crashed into the scene, and ending on the episode where

Whitebeard dies

. If you're a OP buff, you can calculate the approximate starting episode and ending episode to figure out how much time that was. )

But am here now.

Did someone say 'Marineford'?

[NicoRobin]

Oh, boy, I can tell you stories about that. All the stories. Even if it broke my heart in two.

[mastina]

Ginngie
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
randomidget
Skygazer
Invisibility
jjh927
Nosferatu
Wh4t
Porkens
Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
Whemestar
KuroiXHF
Lady Angel
Vecna
Titus
Vaxkiller
Nicorobin
Chickadee

About this.

The closer to the middle, the more hazy it gets. Note that further north is more strong than further south for this though.

Wanted to start with clarifying these, though.

I had trouble forming separation in them, to give proper tiers.

But I want to explain more where I'm coming from.

This list can be thought of as a mixture of RVS and seriousness, in that it is entirely a serious list--but it involves a lot of guesswork on my part in areas.

The players near the top, there's no guesswork needed; they are actually town for definitive reasons, but it gets hazier the further down you get.

Ginngie is my top townread here because she instantly showed herself to be town. I get that she hasn't played much--I get that I haven't played much with her recently. I get that her scumgame is always getting, progressively, better and better. But in spite of that. There's just no way that her scumgame has improved in the leaps and bounds necessary for her to have so seamlessly hidden her tells. This is her towngame, through-and-through. I'm invoking the soulread privilege here; she's townier than an innocent child, town.

Nero Cain is not far behind. Nero Cain is quite capable of faking individual aspects of his town meta. It's not like he has any singular tell which works on him. He's quite capable of, say, posting up a storm as scum. But when it comes to Nero. There isn't just one aspect of difference between his towngame and his scumgame. There are multiple. And while he's capable of faking one or maybe two aspects of his town meta as scum. He can't fake them ALL. And this game, they are all, strongly, on display; he is town.

Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.

randomidget is a similar read. He's not that hard to get a good read on. He's always a bit of a "low-key" player, even lower than Gamma, but as town there's a certain level of insight he has even in his more "casual" style of posting. There's aspects of scumhunting and gamesolving to be found, and all the right markers are there.

Skygazer I have extensively witnessed her scumgame and towngame quite a lot (she's been in like literally every single Normal I've been a reviewer of as of late), and this is simply put not her scumgame. Not even remotely close to her scumgame. Immediately it's obvious to anyone with experience with her. The difference between the two is night and day. Even failing meta (which is, admittedly, not as extensive as Nero/Ginngie/Gamma/random metas), there's the content she has given, all of which has been in a direction I felt was distinctly pro-town.

Invisibility, I have basically no experience with whatsoever, but his gamesolving is quite similar to the others above, following the same patterns I've outlined. The insights he's given, the content he's contributed, have all felt natural, casual, and yet been pro-town in nature.

jjh, his mechanical talk I realize people didn't like--but I didn't care for it one way or another. For me, that wasn't really important at all and didn't affect my read on him whatsoever, being thoroughly null; regardless of his alignment, I feel like he'd have said much the same things as he did there. My townread comes from his content

outside

the mechanical talk, which is there if you look for it; all the places he's pushing, I can understand where he's coming from and even agree with a lot of it (see also, my placement of Titus and NicoRobin on my list and his treatment of their slots).

Nosferatu, I realize is a bit of a difficult read but I've had a fair amount of experience with Nos recently. Admittedly, basically all of it as town so I don't quite have the best knowledge of Nosferatu's scumgame, but. Everything I'm seeing matches the towngame performance I'd be expecting. There's the chance that I'm simply seeing NAI stuff across games and considering it town, but I still have liked Nos's content thusfar.

Wh4t and Porkens represent the point of null--but townish null. Herein enters the guesswork. Neither had posted at the time of my list, but the guesswork comes in, of their not having posted being a little town indicative. Not all "lack of posting" is created equal; for some users, it is indicative of town, for some it is indicative of scum, and for most it's just not indicative of anything at all. Differentiating between the three is an artform at best, but my guess here was that their lack of posting was town, more than scum.

Innocent Children had posted a lot, and while I liked what I saw more than I didn't, it wasn't anything I felt was strongly clearing of them.

Rylai and Lina had posted a fair bit, but I was far more ambivalent on their content, with about equal feelings of town/scum on them, but nothing I felt was strongly indicative of alignment.

Maid Cafe had posted a fair bit, but I wasn't that fond of their content, not liking it more than I liked it--yet in spite of disliking their contributions, it didn't feel strongly alignment indicative. Scummy, without necessarily indicating being scum, if that makes sense.

WhemeStar hadn't posted, so he was another guesswork. He's more of a nullish null, in that I thought his lack of posting wasn't really indicative of alignment.

Kuroi did post--once. 285 was something which I could easily see coming from either alignment, but I felt was slightly more likely to come from scum.

Lady Angel also had only one post--47. Similarly, it was something I could see coming from either alignment, but I felt that if Lady Angel were town, it was more likely her RVS would have had interactions with those who had already posted; it did not.

Vecna hadn't posted, so while this is also guesswork, this is a scummish null, because he absolutely

should

be posting, and posting up a storm no less. Vecna's both an incredible wallposter, and incredible spamposter. His post count is always in the hundreds, usually the 300-800 range. And in spite of producing that number of posts, about 33-50% of said posts are wallposts. He is someone I would expect to be incredible active in the game and among the first to be posting in it, so his absence felt strange.

Below that point, you get into actual scumread territory, but admittedly, not strong scumreads.

I hated pretty much everything Titus was doing and felt it was far more likely to be pushing a scum agenda; her one saving grace is that sometimes, a town Titus really does believe in those frankly anti-town things as in her moonlogicky mind being pro-town even though they really aren't. Still. While it

could

come from her as town, it is far more likely to come from her as scum.

Vaxkiller's entrance into the game felt entirely wrong. This is a little hard for me to really explain, but the places he's pushed and what he's doing just feel like...they're lacking something. Vaxkiller has a weird way of being oddly passionate as town, with some strange logic but still being someone with respectable good insights and reads, yet everything he's given has felt...lackluster. Like there was something from it missing.

NicoRobin is a read I am deliberately avoiding explaining for now; I am looking for something quite specific, but with it absent she's scum.

Chickadee's entrance into the game screamed scum, and nothing she's done in the game since then has shown anything else but scum. She's not scumhunting, not really, and is just kinda there, more worried about herself than she is about finding scum, with comments that don't contribute much of anything.

So that's where I was coming from; I need to read and give an update on these.

[jjh927]

Goodposting


But can you elaborate on how Skygazer has good content, especially early on being enough to justify calling it a very bad vote

[mastina]

If you’re opposed to mafia-controlled vig Powers what was the role I had in Night and Day? That goes against your own beliefs, what the hell?

The mafia 1x dayvig as a boon was meant to give the scum flexibility--it could be used anonymously to take out a player the scum couldn't nightkill yet would never be lynched (the intended usage of the role), but allowed them the option of using it as a safeclaim to use instead of their real (scum-sounding) role (the usage seen in the game).

Plus, as a moderator I prefer to have a healthy balance between "these aspects can be predicted", and "this setup cannot be gamed by mod meta". By that, I mean: I prefer for people to have an advantage by good setup spec, but I also prefer for the game to not be broken by it; the latter means I am required to on occasion subvert previous mod meta.

That having been said. Usually, the subversions are something I end up dissatisfied with. Keep in mind also that I admitted in postgame that the setup for Night and Day wasn't well-designed. The mechanic was cool, but the setup was lackluster and a flaw in it

was

the dayvig. Given the choice to redesign the setup, I'd have redesigned it to be entirely different.

(Speaking of Night and Day, though: I designed a semiopen version of it to be run repeatedly as an Open theme game, which crossed the mechanic with a Pick Your Power X/Y mechanic--in that all the possible roles are known, and through draft, people would select them. I have it finished aside from one or two details; I just need to post it. I am even considering running this as my next Large Theme, because the large theme I want to run next is not even remotely close to ready.)

I'm really confused about why the haven't posted players are in different spots.

Because different people not posting means different things for those different people.

There's a big difference between, say. Creature not posting. And, say. Katsuki not posting. One not posting is a towntell; the other not posting, a scumtell.

[Randomnamechange]

VOTE: porkens
weak questioning, overconfident scumreads not backed up my a vote at any point this game