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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:10 pm
by Sakura Hana
Second, being obvtown or not is in the eyes of each player, did you forget that anony was voting me right up until I switched my vote when she thought she was dead?

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:11 pm
by Sakura Hana
Third, im not sure exactly what these "potshots" are.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:12 pm
by Sakura Hana
I know you're not keen on explaining reads, but I suppose you could at least quote those potshots?.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:19 pm
by Sakura Hana
Btw, in case it's not obvious, yes, i do not want to lynch tora D1 without being 90% or higher sure that he's scum. He's one of the players I like bouncing ideas off of when he's town. It's just... i'd kinda feel bad if I end up lynching him and he's town.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:57 pm
by Kokichi Oma
You townread me, correct? Don't you see the contradicitons in Tora's scumread on me? And don't you find it weird when I brought it up to him twice directly both times he tried to ignore it because he knows I'm right?

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:59 pm
by Kokichi Oma
He probably thought I could be an easy mislynch based on games I was in with him as town where I wasn't motivated in the game, but now that he's seen that I'm actually giving him push-back he got scared and subtly tried to vote off RC for something that doesn't make much sense either.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:47 pm
by RadiantCowbells
Pls don't let scum toranaga pocket you

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:30 pm
by BuJaber
In post 716, Kokichi Oma wrote:Oh, I see what you mean. But, doesn't this mean that Tora could be scum? So how do you still townread him?
He could be. All I said is he's fine for now. He was engaging people and if he continues to do so he'll be easier to read. I flip flop a lot on Tora.
But I'm not sure I quite understand your case on him. Why is his vote on you scum-motivated rather than him just being wrong?

And if he's scum why did he not want us lynching in the 4 player neighborhood? Do you think we can draw any conclusions there?

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:40 pm
by RadiantCowbells
That he's scum and doing stuff he thinks will go over well.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:29 pm
by Kokichi Oma
In post 732, BuJaber wrote:
In post 716, Kokichi Oma wrote:Oh, I see what you mean. But, doesn't this mean that Tora could be scum? So how do you still townread him?
He could be. All I said is he's fine for now. He was engaging people and if he continues to do so he'll be easier to read. I flip flop a lot on Tora.
But I'm not sure I quite understand your case on him. Why is his vote on you scum-motivated rather than him just being wrong?

And if he's scum why did he not want us lynching in the 4 player neighborhood? Do you think we can draw any conclusions there?
Okay. He said that I was scum because I was giving reads and being active and that when I'm town I don't do that. But, if you see when he made these posts in particular
In post 389, Toranaga wrote:I feel like kokichi posting any content is a bad look tbh
In post 391, Toranaga wrote:I was planning on catching up anyway and you distracted me a lot tbh but sure

I never played against wolf kokichi to tell any difference but he is being way more engange-y with reads and stuff than I remember him ever being as town.
In post 491, Toranaga wrote:dunn is also fine

kokichi is different than every game I played with town!him. might indicate something.

popo is fine.

nico is null.

I think kokichi/sakura/? is a decent first guess.
I hadn't made any reads. In fact most of my posts at that point had been filler or voting without context (which according to him should be a town trait of mine.)

And I think the neighborhood thing isn't something that's worth looking into. I think a mislynch in a mislynch, it doesn't matter how many in the hood.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:57 pm
by BuJaber
Oh
Yeah that's kinda the opposite of my earlier case on you. Nobody could claim you were doing much at that stage. It's not exactly black and white because I've seen you joke a lot in RVS as town which sort of fits his view of your meta but he's still wrong about what you did here.

I still prefer to lynch anon. I am more confident that she flips scum.
I find it interesting she keeps trying to change the order of events when Tora's claim clearly came after her questioning him.

Do you have experience with anon? You think she'd have that line of questioning with Tora if they're buddies? At first glance it doesn't seem like something buddies would need to talk about but then again it's easier to talk to a scum buddy about setup spec than it is to talk about reads.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:22 pm
by Toranaga
do this

lynch me, then lynch RC tomorrow

just do it

thanks

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:23 pm
by Toranaga
have him pay for acting so confident with such bad reads

leggo

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:24 pm
by BuJaber
And how does that help town exactly?

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:27 pm
by BuJaber
You're claiming you're town and RC has 'bad reads', which in itself implies RC is town. And then you tell us to lynch two townies in a row.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:37 pm
by Toranaga
I don't care if he is town

RC plays every game like he is some sort of mafia god and he is really not that

your confidence in your reads must be directly correlated with your evidence that the people are town/wolf

he has nothing to call be a wolf for and keeps pushing for my lynch. he did the same to anon.

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:38 pm
by Toranaga
btw I find anon's reaction to thinking she was hammered and then voting buj pretty good and I think buj is wolfy

I want RC dead when I flip. lynch me folks.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:36 am
by AnonymousGhost
In post 735, BuJaber wrote:I am more confident that she flips scum.
Haha. Prepare to be disappointed.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:38 am
by BuJaber
I look forward to it.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:50 am
by Toranaga
honestly bujaber is totally scum but I'm not really in the mood to explain things

just kill him and RC at some point

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:51 am
by Toranaga
my impression this entire time was that anon was being pushed for severely flawed/unexistant reasons

and I don't like the tone of any of the people doing it when they're doing it

so I'm suspecting them. I think sakura looks bad, RC looks bad, bujaber looks bad.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:52 am
by Toranaga
also not talking about neighborhood abilities and it's best use because "I just wanna lynch scum" is a nonreason and not something RC ever actually thought of as town.

if he did, shame on him. string him up.

we should vote for the 4 team hood and never lynch them this gameday for obvious reasons.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:52 am
by BuJaber
No man you should explain. Otherwise people downplay your achievements in their head and think you just got lucky.

Also it'd be more fun for me when you find out I'm town.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:55 am
by BuJaber
I think I've played with RC before but honestly don't really know him.

But to be fair if he's as arrogant as you seem to think he wouldn't have changed his read on shinori and I.

So you need to lump us all together as a scumteam for your case on him to make sense.

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:55 am
by Toranaga
ok you're town

RC isn't.