In post 719, Binary Star wrote:Plenty of good reason--DEB was widely scumread enough to be put at L-1. DEB hasn't contributed anything meaningful to progress the game state, develop reads, or make reading his slot easier. There's no indicator that DEB will do any of this if left alive. It only behooves us to lynch scum. The same 'well we can lynch it later if it survives' logic could literally be applied to ANY lynch on ANY slot on D1, too. Someone needs to eat the rope and I'm perfectly fine with the risk of losing a Doctor Enabler against the chance of catching scum here and now
No, the same logic wouldn't apply to any other slot. The logic holds when you have an unprotected slot whose death neuters a very important town role. If he towns up in later days, cool. If he doesn't, he'll be lynched for sure late game.
I think the claim more often comes from scum though - it makes sense to have a mafioso as enabler, as removing one hurts both sides. The smart play here is to leave him be, have the doctor NOT protect him, and mark him for a D3/D4 lynch unless he gives great reason not to be in later days.
-The Joker
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:21 pm
by Arkham Asylum
In post 724, NerfedBuJ wrote:I would be impressed with BOTH of you if this flips
In post 724, NerfedBuJ wrote:I would be impressed with BOTH of you if this flips
Flipless game Buj
-The Joker
Post-game
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:27 pm
by NerfedBuJ
Have you ever seen a playerlist not too chicken to kill or lynch FL anyway? It's not impressive if he's bussing
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:29 pm
by NerfedBuJ
Not that he's scum here imo. He's been pretty controversial at very specific times that I don't see helping a scum agenda
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:28 pm
by Pine
In post 717, Flavor Leaf wrote:DEB doesnt come up with that here on his own; he’s either true claiming as town, has that role or scum, or somebody coached him into it
In post 714, Arkham Asylum wrote:Unless you can tell me why it's a bad idea to leave the slot and lynch it later if it survives, it's valid logic.
-The Joker
Plenty of good reason--DEB was widely scumread enough to be put at L-1. DEB hasn't contributed anything meaningful to progress the game state, develop reads, or make reading his slot easier. There's no indicator that DEB will do any of this if left alive. It only behooves us to lynch scum. The same 'well we can lynch it later if it survives' logic could literally be applied to ANY lynch on ANY slot on D1, too. Someone needs to eat the rope and I'm perfectly fine with the risk of losing a Doctor Enabler against the chance of catching scum here and now.
In post 717, Flavor Leaf wrote:DEB doesnt come up with that here on his own; he’s either true claiming as town, has that role or scum, or somebody coached him into it
Why not?
-White
Hmmmm also goodposting.
In post 728, NerfedBuJ wrote:Have you ever seen a playerlist not too chicken to kill or lynch FL anyway? It's not impressive if he's bussing
I'm pretty sure I've gotten it done before. That's the advantage of being a tree, and not a tasty semi-flightless avian.
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:02 pm
by mastina
FUCK I THOUGHT I WAS OUT OF PROD RANGE AND I DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO POST NOW AND WHILE I MAY BE ABLE TO TOMORROW IT'S ONLY A 50/50.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:44 am
by Pine
Mastina - make this a priority? I want your input, even if you’re likely to call me scum.
And it -does- apply anywhere, AA. Scum can just NOT KILL A SLOT once you've said 'oh well it sorts itself' and then we have to spend a lynch there ANYWAY or if the dude is faking he can just be like "Well obviously scum would rather shoot anywhere but me because they wanna hit the Doc/other PRs'. So, NO, it does NOT SORT ITSELF AT ALL.
-White
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:26 am
by Arkham Asylum
In post 733, Binary Star wrote:And it -does- apply anywhere, AA. Scum can just NOT KILL A SLOT once you've said 'oh well it sorts itself' and then we have to spend a lynch there ANYWAY or if the dude is faking he can just be like "Well obviously scum would rather shoot anywhere but me because they wanna hit the Doc/other PRs'. So, NO, it does NOT SORT ITSELF AT ALL.
When I say sorts itself, I mean "We Lynch him D3 if he's not killed by then". Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?
If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.
So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.
-The Joker
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:41 am
by Dannflor
In post 734, Arkham Asylum wrote:Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?
If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.
So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:42 am
by Pine
ANNOUNCEMENT: I have done a meta deep dive (for certain values of "deep") on DEB and it significantly weakened some of my concerns about him. I can't go into too many details for ~reasons~.
I still think he'd be a good lynch in a typical game, for policy/instructive/flip purposes, but in a flipless game where he'd be able to keep talking, it's no longer attractive to me. FL and AA are also making good points about the slot being self-sorting.
UNVOTE:
With the demise of my Binary Star scumread, I'll have to give this some thought.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:50 am
by Arkham Asylum
I am beginning increasingly convinced that the lynch I want is whatever slot I never remember is in the game.
I'll let you all know who that is when I remember they're in the game.
In post 734, Arkham Asylum wrote:Why would you try to randomly hit a PR when you have a guarantee that you'll neutralize one very important PR?
If scum just NOT KILLS him, great, our doctor's not neutered; plus DEB *can* obvtown by then.
So, YES, IT SORTS ITSELF AND IS A BAD LYNCH.
I agree with this argument too ftr.
In post 737, Arkham Asylum wrote:I am beginning increasingly convinced that the lynch I want is whatever slot I never remember is in the game.
I'll let you all know who that is when I remember they're in the game.
~ Poison Ivy
Ah snap it's me isn't it
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:50 am
by Dr Easy Bake
In post 736, Pine wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT: I have done a meta deep dive (for certain values of "deep") on DEB and it significantly weakened some of my concerns about him. I can't go into too many details for ~reasons~.
I still think he'd be a good lynch in a typical game, for policy/instructive/flip purposes, but in a flipless game where he'd be able to keep talking, it's no longer attractive to me. FL and AA are also making good points about the slot being self-sorting.
UNVOTE:
With the demise of my Binary Star scumread, I'll have to give this some thought.
Damn, my existence depends on entertaining others and myself. I have failed you mighty King of the Forest. I will now commit seppuku to save whatever honor I have left.
Spoiler:
VOTE: Debbie the Failure
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:25 am
by Flavor Leaf
I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:30 am
by Jingle
ZZZX has requested replacement. Deadline is currently suspended, and will be reevaluated when a replacement is found.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:31 am
by Arkham Asylum
Seriously @DEB, you need to stop acting so antitown in your posting. Whatever you are in this game, you’re really not doing yourself any favours. *smdh*
I like the other AA heads am convinced your doc enabler claim is real. I also trust FL town and his read on you but your attitude is hurting helpful reads on you.
What are your current reads/opinions on the players on your wagon? Thanks.
~Harley
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:33 am
by Arkham Asylum
In post 742, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm already the most likely Night 1 kill, i dont need to give scum more reasons to kill me by giving solid cases.
Do you seriously think scum targets you over a 5 headed hydra?
