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Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:22 am**

In post 714, Kerset wrote:Evenstar is really punished for revealing her cards.

?????

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:31 am**

MOST TOWNY

Pops
Kerset
Alchemist
Sujimichi
TL
Severa

- DEAD NULL -

Gamma
Farkran
Salamence
Chemist
Venus & Mars
Bitmap

MOST SCUMMY

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Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:34 am**

In post 725, Evenstar wrote:
In post 714, Kerset wrote:Evenstar is really punished for revealing her cards.
?????

You would be less shaded if you would keep your reads for yourself. You seems to lose town points just because your options are transparent.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:36 am**

In post 726, Evenstar wrote:
MOST TOWNY

Pops
Kerset
Alchemist
Sujimichi
TL
Severa

- DEAD NULL -

Gamma
Farkran
Salamence
Chemist
Venus & Mars
Bitmap

MOST SCUMMY

@Chemist1422 post more

That does nothing to answer my question

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am**

In post 728, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 726, Evenstar wrote:
MOST TOWNY

Pops
Kerset
Alchemist
Sujimichi
TL
Severa

- DEAD NULL -

Gamma
Farkran
Salamence
Chemist
Venus & Mars
Bitmap

MOST SCUMMY

@Chemist1422 post more
That does nothing to answer my question

Relative reads. You haven't been doing anything. Do things.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:38 am**

In post 727, Kerset wrote:
In post 725, Evenstar wrote:
In post 714, Kerset wrote:Evenstar is really punished for revealing her cards.
?????
You would be less shaded if you would keep your reads for yourself. You seems to lose town points just because your options are transparent.

Ok we're cool.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:05 am**

In post 723, Chemist1422 wrote: This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Nah, i have played with Kerset and read more of his other games for different purposes, and this is town!Kerset.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:06 am**

VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:06 am**

In post 727, Kerset wrote:
In post 725, Evenstar wrote:
In post 714, Kerset wrote:Evenstar is really punished for revealing her cards.
?????
You would be less shaded if you would keep your reads for yourself. You seems to lose town points just because your options are transparent.

Uh... if anything, i'm scumleaning her because she is NOT as transparent in this game as she was in the one we played together? She is... swinging too much compared to what i'm used to.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:12 am**

In post 732, Bitmap wrote:VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.

Can you elaborate on this?

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:57 am**

I think the trajectory towards Gamma isn't great and seems like an easy target.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:58 am**

In post 733, Farkran wrote:
In post 727, Kerset wrote:
In post 725, Evenstar wrote:
In post 714, Kerset wrote:Evenstar is really punished for revealing her cards.
?????
You would be less shaded if you would keep your reads for yourself. You seems to lose town points just because your options are transparent.
Uh... if anything, i'm scumleaning her because she is NOT as transparent in this game as she was in the one we played together? She is... swinging too much compared to what i'm used to.

reads are fake and gay

fortunately I too am fake and gay

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:19 am**

In post 735, Bitmap wrote:I think the trajectory towards Gamma isn't great and seems like an easy target.

Can you elaborate more on this? You've jumped off me in the same way when i was being wagoned by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, now you're sus of {fark, pops} for being on gamma. What are your thoughts about the wagon targets and the people on them?

Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 732, Bitmap wrote:VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.
Can you elaborate on this?

I too am interested in your analysis of pops (@bitmap)

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:11 am**

I voted Pops and she became your top townread

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:55 am**

In post 698, Farkran wrote:
In post 615, popsofctown wrote:
In post 13, Farkran wrote: I'll start with a first step to break the ice: i'm a magical girl and i have powers. I used a charge disc so i have 3 votes. Going to use them only when i feel it's appropriate.

Farkran refused to claim mason at L-1 + intent in his first game because he believed it's optimal play to vehemently protect town's information, so freely sharing this information is concerning. Farkran did you think it's impossible this information wasn't already public, or did you just not give a care? The predecessor to this game included a player with an extra vote, and later this thread we discover you can't figure out what disc it is someone used just by seeing their votes: salamence charged but has a Blast disc number of votes.
I did also say in that game that refusing to claim was very specific of the circumstances. It was also a game where i openly speculated about PRs for the same reason = the mason team already had all the information they needed and no one else should have shared it until it was appropriate, i.e. to counterclaim epiccreeper and lynch scum. This game is vastly different (no open setup, no normal roles, etc), and by reading ahead you will notice that a lot of people included at least some amount of bs in their claims. Magical girl setup allows this, and i support the use of bs or non-bs claims to advance the gamestate.

This seems to be suggesting providing polluted or partially falsified information to scum is harmless. I'll agree to disagree. The plenty of other ways to progress the game state, and I actually think mountainous has the highest quality dayplay, but this is definitely delving into mafia theory.
You seem to have presented some kind of internally consistent view, though, since an environment with lots of fakeclaiming would make rolecop more useful more often. I'm not sure whether I've ever fakeclaimed before, and in ye olde days I feel like it was rarer.

Farkran wrote:
In post 615, popsofctown wrote:
In post 17, Severa wrote:If your abilities are mediocre, why not use a blast disc? I don't get it.

If you have a 900 MP ability that says "visit a player and become a miller for the rest of the game", you probably still want to take Charge or Accel to avoid an implicit VT claim that improves the quality of the factional nightkill. The extra vote is useless, it's more important to convince players than to have the power to force lynches through mechanically.
I have to disagree with this though. I think your reasoning is flawed/incomplete: you're admitting that picking a Blast disc equals a VT claim (= extra vote is useless), but if you see no reason for scum to pick blasts, it actually helps town narrowing the lynchpool, which i think is more beneficial than the side effects. To expand on this: i do not have experience with the previous iterations of magical girl mafia, but i would think scum abilities are useful and therefore they would like to abuse them over attempting a very weak VT claim.[/color]

I'm confused by this post, you seem to agree that no one should take blast ever? But as it turns out, Gamma has some sort of special considerations for taking Blast that he should Not Talk About, and Salamence didn't take Blast at all.

Farkran wrote: [snip]
Funny how i can get both a burden of proficency from people who played/spectated with me, and a newbie shield from people who didn't, in the same game. By the way, if want to skip rvs, i need to push weak reads first, and i feel that voting a player is also a valid motive for interacting + i asked a question in the same post. Also i kept analyzing suji up to 157 which is where he crossed the null line and entered the towny side of my reads. This soft-shading line seems weird coming from you pops, need to check if you're committed to it.
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The rest of the post i mostly agree with.

The later engagement dampens how red-indicative I want to count it, but I don't think it was a townie reaction. If Suji's vote is serious, RVS is already over, you don't have to cast any countervotes to end it.
I don't want to litigate this all the way to the highest court, though. Confirmation bias and hyperfocus aren't good for reads, breadth is better. I have you scummier than null but in the range where I'd be disappointed if that was the d1 lynch.

In post 700, Farkran wrote:
In post 619, Evenstar wrote:aight pops can be town
Are you strong on this after just one post which was... not entirely towny (not scummy either, but certainly not what i would call obvtown), coming from whom you know has very high experience and skill levels?

If so, why? I mean, what specifically striked you as a strong town point in his post?

I am possibly experienced, but I believe Evenstar is on record calling me the worst player she's ever seen play mafia

In post 701, Farkran wrote:
In post 624, TemporalLich wrote:if you're not committed you're trying to stall out D1, therefore Evenstar is scum

VOTE: Evenstar, even if hammer
Are jesters a thing in this setup? Because TL is crossing the line where i wouldn't lynch him out of making too little sense with his posts, and you know it's effing hard to cross that line for me.

There are no jesters in the setup, mini theme mods have to disclose whether there are cults or jesters when the game goes into queue.

In post 708, Severa wrote:@everyone, how are you reading Farkran?

I incidentally mentioned this earlier in my post. He is pretty null to me. I'm hoping he is easier to read in later phases of the game.

In post 709, Kerset wrote:
In post 692, Bitmap wrote:idk why Evenstar has me as a scum read but they aren't really the pinnacle of towniness either so whatevs
Pops vote you and promised reads about you but gave only one.

In my vocabulary a "read" is a total assessment of a particular player, so I tried to discuss several players in my post for Bitmap. If I described ten scummy things about Bitmap, it would all be one read.
I'm not really going to discuss other stuff about Bitmap since he softclaimed a strong role, but I did want the slip mentioned in my iso in case I'm dead when it's LyLo and time to lynch people even if they're claiming strong roles.

In post 711, Farkran wrote:
In post 666, popsofctown wrote:
Nah Farkran is wrong he's the best shot on that list. Energy is almost as important to the town as intelligence. Not that Farkran lacks that either.
"shot" is an ambiguous word to use in this context was that on purpose? I'm not yet confident enough in my knowledge of better players to act as an enforced IC though. I think you should have been on that list if we make a pure speculation on reading abilities and charisma - not that i would "abdicate" in favor to anyone though, i will keep doing my thing regardless of my position as leader or lack thereof. Also i'm not sold on you being town yet. I'd currently place you as null-nullscum + would not lynch d1. I like some of your reads, significantly disagree on others.

Meta is overrated and garbage. I am getting sucked into the vortex with it so much this year. I feel like more straightforward reads can be so accurate though.

Farkran wrote:
In post 666, popsofctown wrote:
In post 548, Kerset wrote:If you claim investigation role then people won't lynch you. I think that could be his motive. If we have to choose between lynching mediocre role and role cop, we will never choose role cop bc we want to see information that he provides.

Kerset in site meta here a U-pick game generally has about two thirds of the town players as something stronger than rolecop. And also has the scum slightly more likely than the town to receive the ability rolecop. So his claim is similar to claiming VT, it incentivizes us to lynch him. I would be advocating lynching the slot to avoid outing more roles and avoid lynching more highly useful town power if his posting didn't lean towny to me.

I didn't see it from this POV, and if i was a spectator i'd trust your experience over mine. However, it does not really match my own info and what i got from other people claims... that being said, i just realized that one of such claims was salamence (who also said he didn't pick a blast) and the other was gamma's (whom i'm not trusting anymore). I feel i am contradicting myself here and i need to re-evaluate what i have been thinking of salamence, as my strong read on him was mostly based on game mechanics. His tone and content are still kinda towny though.[/quote]

There is bias in the way you've collected the data about claims. People with weaker roles are more likely to claim, because it's less harmful to town. So your "survey" has no pure elements except your own PM. The concept is called "response bias". Salamence likely would not have claimed even in his anger if he was such a powerful role it would throw the game to have him roleblocked or killed, Gamma claimed because his role harms town, similar to a day 1 Miller claim, TemporalLich, mostly same thing as Salamence. Then, any of them could be scum, and I don't want to think about which direction that would bias the sample, I'd prefer you either read over some completed role madness games and look at -all- the roles, or take my judgment over a biased sample.

Farkran wrote:
In post 666, popsofctown wrote:
In post 549, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 538, Evenstar wrote:VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.
If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

This is Bad. You have an obligation to this game independent of what Evenstar does with her vote, and you should be able to see the town incentive to do what she's doing with her vote.
If it seems remarkable it might be because other people have seen you be underwhelming as town, you were underwhelming in StarCraft and flipped green. That's the only difference between Evenstar's post and my silence.
I can't remember anything you've done this game besides sheep a fake parity cop claim, just like I can't remember anything you did in SC except be a gunsmith claim.
She said "please", so don't be rude to her playing to her wincon when she's made you're not playing to it with her, unless want to claim scum.
Not sure if scum!alchemist would answer like that, even if i agree with the basis of reasoning. I'd think scum!alchemist would wave at, or produce content in response to that.

I think both alchemists could do that, scum!alchemist a little more because there is safety in dismissiveness, but moreso I care that my post might entice a town!alchemist to solve with us. When he actually occasionally does stuff he demonstrates a lot of intelligence.

In post 715, Severa wrote:Pops why did you call Gamma out for his 180 on me but not Evenstar

Because there isn't a 180? She got very excited about thinking you were scum, then over time as other things got her attention kind of relaxed on it and in later readslists put you at nullscum. It's pretty consistent with how she played in Magical Girls and plausible in a vacuum anyway.
The only thing I could see that you could be calling a 180 is that she went from voting you to voting one of your detractors. I've never been big on "never vote with your scumreads", maybe someday I'll see the light on it, but I don't get it, you're wrong a significant amount of the time so vote based on ideas and not cliques. So I didn't naturally view that as a 180. If Evenstar is a big believer in bloc voting maybe that's objectively wrong.
Gamma on the other hand rather quickly dropped and rejected the core idea and concept behind his push on you even though I'm skeptical he'd do so as town (especially since I think townies tend to confbias).

In post 723, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 716, Farkran wrote: This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Chemist you were the chosen one what are you doing

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:01 am**

In post 738, Severa wrote:I voted Pops and she became your top townread

When chemist isn't here he gets scummier, but when I'm not here I get townier! I am a special kind of bad at mafia, where my best plays are necessarily when I AFK. No one else in thread can call themselves WOAT now, for I am the essence of WOAT.

Yeah I have no idea what's going on with those readslists. Is it scummy fake read progression, or too blatant to be so?

I really don't think they're productive in any case.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:12 am**

In post 740, popsofctown wrote:
In post 738, Severa wrote:I voted Pops and she became your top townread

When chemist isn't here he gets scummier, but when I'm not here I get townier! I am a special kind of bad at mafia, where my best plays are necessarily when I AFK. No one else in thread can call themselves WOAT now, for I am the essence of WOAT.

Yeah I have no idea what's going on with those readslists. Is it scummy fake read progression, or too blatant to be so?

I really don't think they're productive in any case.

>:/

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:14 am**

Reads are still fake and gay. Come join the big girls playing associatives on d1.

(ha ha only serious)

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:21 am**

How I Actually Sort:
Legible Town | Legible Scum
Illegible Town | Illegible Scum

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:24 am**

Is pops like game veteran on this site?

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:41 am**

In post 744, Kerset wrote:Is pops like game veteran on this site?

Join dates are visible below each user's avatar. By join date I would be a game veteran, it's a feat to find someone with a join date before 2008 actually playing a game, although Kelly Chen is an 05'er who played a game this autumn and that's flipping awesome.

By games played, lots of people have played more games than I have in a shorter window of time. The person behind SEVERA has played at least four times as many games as I have. Maybe fourteen times as many games as I have. It's better not to think about it.

I'm pretty well respected for being enjoyable to play with but I'm rarely accused of being good at mafia.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:43 am**

To clarify, since there's been mixed up terms already, "I'm rarely accused of being good at mafia" means people don't think I'm strong at winning games of mafia. It wasn't specifically a comment about how good I am at playing as the bad guys.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:43 am**

Here's a lead rist I guess:

[Town]

popsofctown (obv!town)
Severa (town but still potentially a deepwolf)
Bitmap (townish, was scummy)
Salamence20 (townish, failed to react to a potentially fake parity cop result)
Alchemist21 (was towny, but starting to decline into null)
Sujimichi (nullish-townlean)
Kerset (nullish)
Farkran (starting to look scummy again)
Chemist1422 (no effort, scumlean)
Venus and Mars (one post and it's nothing of substance)
Gamma Emerald (not the town!GE I know)
Evenstar (scummy, poor reads and votes)

[Scum]

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:50 am**

In post 745, popsofctown wrote:
In post 744, Kerset wrote:Is pops like game veteran on this site?

Join dates are visible below each user's avatar. By join date I would be a game veteran, it's a feat to find someone with a join date before 2008 actually playing a game, although Kelly Chen is an 05'er who played a game this autumn and that's flipping awesome.

By games played, lots of people have played more games than I have in a shorter window of time. The person behind SEVERA has played at least four times as many games as I have. Maybe fourteen times as many games as I have. It's better not to think about it.

I'm pretty well respected for being enjoyable to play with but I'm rarely accused of being good at mafia.

You are modest about yourself but i see a lot of confidence about game theory in your posts.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:56 am**

In post 667, popsofctown wrote:
If I had a dayvig it'd still be TL, the only good angles on his posts seem like too scummy to be scum. But I'm not ready to end the day.

665 is a scumlist, I'm guessing? Why Kerset? I feel like they're posting content and it feels null and that's weird, because I spectated their first newbie and townread them a bit more. So I'd be interested in hearing what's pinging you.
If it's activity level itself, Kerset's in meta, though. (ND is not, we pressured her last game for being afk and then ended up at an accurate read so I can't object to using pressure again)

Don't you hate meta?

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