Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:13 pm
@GL: I feel pressure. I don’t mean to suggest that. Your vote, though, didn’t add pressure to me, from my view at least. Going from 5 to 6 or whatever didn’t make a difference.
Have you seen Amrun's voting? And you don't think it's at least equally gross?In post 579, AaronFrost wrote:UNVOTE:
Don't really want to do Amrun anymore. I think this is a better vote for today.
VOTE: Guilty Lion
His hop on the Amrun wagon was gross and I agree lack of a counterwagon is unsettling.
The GL wagon is made of really really fluid poopIn post 688, FakeGod wrote:
tbh same argument could be made for GL.In post 731, Iconeum wrote:And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.
If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.
It's just the best lynch.
Firstly, I want to apologise if I was tunneling on SS.In post 707, GuiltyLion wrote:if we don't get any major serious wagons, then people aren't forced to give real opinions on anything. Amrun at L-2 or L-1 is important, it is something that every player needs to react to and puts scum in a more difficult position regardless of your alignment.
Five different wagons at L-6 or L-7 or whatever isn't a difficult game state for scum. They can just park a vote on convenient scumread of choice and then compromise Lynch to whatever's easiest once everyone starts panicking about deadline
I don't care how you hypothetically play as town or scum.In post 445, Something_Smart wrote:Not a meta response! It deals exclusively with this game-- how I would hypothetically play in this game as town, and how I would hypothetically play in this game as scum.In post 438, alimdia wrote:Um.. wtf kinda response is that? fuck meta mate I haven't even played a game with you.
Those are quite obviously relevant in reading me, and if you have an opinion on my alignment, it must mean you think there's a mismatch between the two-- I would fencesit as scum where I WOULDN'T fencesit as town.
With me so far?
Right, so what I want you to answer is, if I'm scum, do you think I'd be aware of the fact that as town I'd be making commitments, and then choose not to make them, transparently revealing myself to anyone who's ever played with me before?
After reading, lost in the many pages is that part of the case on Amrun is actually his so called 'reaction test' against me.In post 722, Menalque wrote:it is also pinging me in a bad way that amrun wagon jumped up to like 5 votes within like 5 minutes of me starting it whereas I've been suggesting ddl is scum for like a day and yet there's no play on that wagon whatsoever, despite multiple people saying that they'd compromise there or expressing doubts around his slot
Please, people stop saying 'if I was scum I would do this. I didn't therefore I am town'.... Also SS's argument is shit btw, but lets not get into that again...In post 695, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 582, AaronFrost wrote:amrun [7] - Menalque, Datisi, Iconeum, AaronFrost,{Dogwatch, GuiltyLion, Creature}<-- Pretty sure at least one of these three are scum. Possibly more than one.
PEDIT: I think his hop on the Amrun wagon was the worstfirst off - I see this happen a lot in mafia games. Someone acts scummy (regardless of their alignment), someone relatively town leader-esque presents a case, and a whole bunch of people town or scum jump on because the slot looks scummy.In post 584, AaronFrost wrote:Why exactly did he join the wagon anyways? He makes it clear that his read on alimdia is much stronger but then joins the wagon after saying scum is on it because... why? How is he reading Amrun? He never says.In post 489, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm updating my townreads to include AF and Datisi.Amrun is a spicy wagon that I think has p good odds of scum and I'm gonna join it, but right now I feel I got a stronger read on alimdia. I think the S_S tunnel is a distraction and disingenuous, and has given alimdia cover not to comment on anything else actually relevant going on.
VOTE: Amrun
Earlier he also stated he townreads Icon, Mena, Dogwatch and Creature. Then before he hops on he includes me and Datisi in his townreads. That's literally the entire wagon right there.
That doesn't mean the suspicious slot is suddenly town now. You all are just assuming Amrun is town because a wagon sprung up. Good wagons can go fast especially if townies are mind-melding. I strongly disagree that wagon speed is ever indicative of alignment and if anything I think scum are often afraid to sheep onto fast mislynch wagons because they know it's a mislynch.
Then, you say, "there is no counter wagon!". What just happened on the last 4 pages should make it pretty clear thatI am now the counterwagon.
Finally, I don't just hop on that wagon as scum. Like, let's make a similar argument S_S was making earlier in the game. If I, as town, always have novel and detailed and well-founded reasons to vote someone, why would I not make an effort to recreate those as scum? Do you really think scum!me is so blasé and arguablystupidto talk about how I think alimdia odds of scum are >> than Amrun odds of scum yet still vote the leading clear wagon?
I already explained that I was townreading the people on the Amrun wagon and that it's far more useful to join game-advancing wagons than to vanity vote in a game with a large number of players. I'm not townreading Amrun and so I feel comfortable voting for her. I'm not gonna pretend like I've got some cool new insightful scumtell that provides me with An Original Reason To Vote This Wagon when I don't have one, I just liked the case Menalque was making, didn't scumread anybody on the wagon, and felt it would be a good vote.
In post 729, Iconeum wrote:Have you seen Amrun's voting? And you don't think it's at least equally gross?In post 579, AaronFrost wrote:UNVOTE:
Don't really want to do Amrun anymore. I think this is a better vote for today.
VOTE: Guilty Lion
His hop on the Amrun wagon was gross and I agree lack of a counterwagon is unsettling.
In post 730, Iconeum wrote:The GL wagon is made of really really fluid poopIn post 688, FakeGod wrote:
I see why Menal is weary to lynch this because its noob play.In post 731, Iconeum wrote:And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.
If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.
It's just the best lynch.
this... is a really good point.In post 722, Menalque wrote:it is also pinging me in a bad way that amrun wagon jumped up to like 5 votes within like 5 minutes of me starting it whereas I've been suggesting ddl is scum for like a day and yet there's no play on that wagon whatsoever, despite multiple people saying that they'd compromise there or expressing doubts around his slot
Fun fact, when I read this post earlier my half-awake brain read it as "Amrun is still gonna beIn post 731, Iconeum wrote:If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow.
Apology accepted. And like I said, it's totally reasonable for you to not understand or agree with my playstyle.In post 733, alimdia wrote:Firstly, I want to apologise if I was tunneling on SS.
Why that group of three specifically?In post 739, Salamence20 wrote:I'm going to be watching very closely what SS/Pret/texcat do in the next few days.
Heh, was reading stuff and just noticed this post where Amrun in the same breath makes a meta read and calls meta trash.In post 339, Amrun wrote:This is a bizarre stance to take; however, I get the impression that you rely a lot on meta so I think that’s NAI from you. I, however, think meta is trash.
In post 745, Something_Smart wrote:Heh, was reading stuff and just noticed this post where Amrun in the same breath makes a meta read and calls meta trash.In post 339, Amrun wrote:This is a bizarre stance to take; however, I get the impression that you rely a lot on meta so I think that’s NAI from you. I, however, think meta is trash.
I mean those posts are bad, I don't know if you are a noob or not, im just going by menal's definition. I think you are just coasting because your last posts are "lynch amrun, kthxbye"In post 740, Iconeum wrote:salamence I seriously doubt you can truthfully call my play both noob and coasting in the same sentence
either you think it's noob!town, or scum!coasting. If you think it's noob!town!coasting, then it doesn't make sense you request a vigshot on me.
Actually, since you *are* requesting my slot to be vigged, you must believe it's noob!scum!coasting.
And thus your post makes no sense from a town PoV
What do you think of the fact that the DDL wagon isn't going anywhere but Amrun's did.Something_Smart wrote:Just ISO'd DDL. I think he's likely town unless he has a history of not giving any shits as scum. This kind of extreme reactiveness and blatant sheeping seems like it would probably backfire on him is he were scum, the exception being if one of his sheep votes was onto a partner.
Because those votes are going to be important in deciding who gets lynched.Something_Smart wrote:Why that group of three specifically?In post 739, Salamence20 wrote:I'm going to be watching very closely what SS/Pret/texcat do in the next few days.
The Amrun push came at a point where very little had happened, and Menalque made an effort to solicit people to join it which added to its legitimacy. Whereas DDL push was quieter and people already have opinions by this point.In post 747, Salamence20 wrote:What do you think of the fact that the DDL wagon isn't going anywhere but Amrun's did.
Oh gotcha.In post 747, Salamence20 wrote:Because those votes are going to be important in deciding who gets lynched.