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Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:51 am**

Official Vote Count 3.01

With 4 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

Lynching

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(4): Iconeum, GuiltyLion, Karnage, ObviousScum

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-02-12 19:00:00).

Mod notes:

Iconeum standing V/LA weekends.

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Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:57 am**

In post 723, ObviousScum wrote:I guess I shoulda said "GL may do as he pleases but don't shoot emps" LOLOL

rly tho he was obvtown

I didn't like his associatives with George slot and I didn't trust the degree to which he was townreading me

whoops

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:13 pm**

In post 277, Iconeum wrote:intend to hammer

Ico - intent'd on George here, but hadn't mentioned him at all previously as far as I can tell. also didn't post again on D1 after this, but had already given V/LA due to a concussion so I don't really want to read anything into that.

In post 366, ObviousScum wrote:why is icon null?

In post 367, GeorgeBailey wrote:Why otherwise? They haven't really done anything townie/scummy imo. I assume there'll be more from them over the weekend, so it's currently waiting to be sorted.

In post 368, ObviousScum wrote:
In post 367, GeorgeBailey wrote:They haven't really done anything townie
why is this null to you in this gamestate?

In post 369, GeorgeBailey wrote:Er, should it be guilty until proven innocent? I mean they said they had a concussion and would post more later.

In post 370, ObviousScum wrote:Explain the point of either one of his votes or the point of his intent

both votes were also pre-concussion

In post 371, GeorgeBailey wrote:First vote was an RVS, and second vote was pressure on a low-activity slot.

why does George so openly go into a defense of Ico's play here... would he be motivated to do this with a townie? Considering Ico wasn't under much pressure, it's not really a potential white-knight situation

In post 453, GeorgeBailey wrote:Ico, why didn't you follow the plan last night?

In post 472, GeorgeBailey wrote: Anyways, my scum pick right now is Icon.

VOTE: Iconeum

I think you missed your proposed target on purpose so there would be more ambiguity about your role, which is already huge for most people right now.

is this distancing? :thinking_face:

In post 543, Iconeum wrote:
In post 472, GeorgeBailey wrote:Anyways, my scum pick right now is Icon.VOTE: IconeumI think you missed your proposed target on purpose so there would be more ambiguity about your role, which is already huge for most people right now.
How does me claiming what I claimed help a scum agenda according to you?

this post came kinda late, after Ico had already responded to a bunch of other sequentially later posts, including another vote on Ico from Obv. potentially Ico wanted to distance back and forgot until later in their catchups/posts.

overall these interactions are definitely potential buddy-buddy, but I'm not seeing anything I'd call damning. looking through Non Imh/Karnage next

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:21 pm**

In post 262, Non lmh wrote:(emps/hec/lion)townblock for me rn
(amrun/icon/obum)null
(jake,george)scum, maybe

In post 263, Non lmh wrote:VOTE: george

this is a good vote given the game state. Jake wagon was already promising and Non Imh goes on currently L-4 George instead.

In post 360, Non lmh wrote:UNVOTE:

however then he negates any potential solid towncred from this by unvoting once Jake/George wagons are tied. Also declares a townread on Jake, so why not keep his vote on George?? :thinking_face:

In post 593, Karnage wrote:
In post 590, ObviousScum wrote:What's your full reads list?
obvscum > emps > george > ico = GL

thats the order I'd lynch in

why such a townread on George here... I never understood the George townreads at any point this game

In post 600, Karnage wrote:
In post 594, ObviousScum wrote:Can you expand on where you see town in george, ico, and GL?
george is likely to be town via POE. I don't see scum Ico lying about not following the plan. GL is a gut read which I'd rather not get into atm.

bruh.
but then again, is scum truly not afraid to town clear their buddy by "POE" here? trying to go all in on a D2 winning mislynch?

In post 607, Karnage wrote:
In post 598, GuiltyLion wrote: 1) I still generally think George is scum and I'm not sure why we're looking at Obv/Icon first over George
Why are you so sure george is scum?

In post 690, Karnage wrote:
In post 673, ObviousScum wrote:also tbh I'm ok just lynching chemist and not forcing him to catchup only to die
I'm starting to come around to this idea

@Karnage - how did you evolve from 593 and 600 to here?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:29 pm**

neither of these associatives help me as much as I would have liked them to

the choice here is whether:
a) scum!Karnage poked around at different mislynch options in emps/ObvScum before resigning himself to bus towards end of D2 after Obv's nurse claim, made sure to tell me to target emps to keep himself alive (710)
b) scum!Ico decided to distance/bus with George early d2 and stick with it through the day

honestly writing it out, Karnage's play on D2 makes a tiny bit more sense to me for scum in a bastard game like this, where they might hope for an outright win through two mislynches + NKs from town vigs. but at the same time, I can see a world where Karnage's play looks worse on the surface because he was genuinely trying to solve whereas Ico just coasted on a bus-each-other-and-see-what-happens D2 plan.

Obv, what are you thinking here?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:32 pm**

one point I want to put in favor of town!Karnage was him speculating about me as Nurse - which is clear throughout his ISO reading it again. but then again, scum is probably also trying to figure out who the Nurse is, so I'm worried maybe I shouldn't count that for too much.

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:36 pm**

In post 363, GeorgeBailey wrote:Town

GuiltyLion
Emps, Hectic

Iconeum,
Amrun
.
Non Ihm,
ObviousScum
Jake The Wolfie

Scum

bleh

I want to say it's fractionally more likely scum puts his partner in a low tier than a true-neutral tier. but I'm not sure I should put like a ton of stock into that either.

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:43 pm**

Wanna say its weird to think you're nurse and not vig?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:43 pm**

also why would anyone nurse hunt is kinda beyond me since there is 0 reason to crumb

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:46 pm**

I'm very tempted to reverse bop non lmh but that's kinda meh
But her reads look a touch of tmi, the thought crossed my mind

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:46 pm**

It'd be nice if we finished claims, I don't really know why you're still alive

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:47 pm**

I guess emps makes sense since I said he was obvtown but when do you not kill the vig?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:01 pm**

I agree it's weird that I'm alive since no doc should have been targeting me due to jailkeep nurse, which would make me a guaranteed kill

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:10 pm**

In post 719, Karnage wrote:We should all announce who we targeted

I targeted obvscum

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 pm**

In post 727, GuiltyLion wrote:this post came kinda late, after Ico had already responded to a bunch of other sequentially later posts, including another vote on Ico from Obv. potentially Ico wanted to distance back and forgot until later in their catchups/posts.

it's almost like you aren't even considering it's possibly just town!ico voting for scum?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:13 pm**

i don't really see a ton of scum!ico indicators in your case, GL

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:15 pm**

so theory is scum double killed emps? Or tested on me? Or gl is scum?

where u at ico?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:16 pm**

In post 541, Iconeum wrote:emps/george/obvscum

In post 635, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: George

In post 656, Iconeum wrote:UNVOTE:

for the weekend, so chem can catch up

In post 708, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: chemist

In post 709, Iconeum wrote:
In post 703, ObviousScum wrote:VOTE: Karnage

Changed my mind, I'm just going to lynch the slot that tunneled all day on town
I don't really read karnage as scum.

Chemist hasn't done anything, and george didn't do a ton either. His scumread for me not following the plan and reaction to it was scummy.

much better lynch then karnage imo

Just redug into my own ISO, this is p much all of the posts related to the scum lynch. There's not a lot here, but I don't think any of it was particularly odd-timing?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:16 pm**

waiting on obvscum and others to complete massclaim today

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:19 pm**

Oh ya i did nothing

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:20 pm**

do u agree gl is town ico?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:42 pm**

In post 745, ObviousScum wrote:do u agree gl is town ico?

i always have a hard time townreading players who are pushing me

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:44 pm**

Iconeum
GuiltyLion
Karnage
ObviousScum

Obvscum is the nurse right?

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:45 pm**

In post 745, ObviousScum wrote:do u agree gl is town ico?

more specifically, no

Posted: **Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:47 pm**

dude if I was fakeclaiming nurse this deep in that'd be pretty dope

but ya I am

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