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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:49 pm
by Menalque
Err excuse me I had like a thousand posts that game or something?
This is a somewhat reliable way to read me btw, but it’s more reliable over the course of a game, I can normally make myself effort the early game and then I burn out late D1 or on D2 and go quiet before picking up again in endgame
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:49 pm
by Menalque
Also I don’t think I ever rolled scum against you in a newbie @norwee?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:50 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 726, Menalque wrote:Also I don’t think I ever rolled scum against you in a newbie @norwee?
That one where you replaced out immediately.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:51 pm
by Menalque
I’m giving ali an honorary “skitter pass” meaning that I will temporarily townread em despite not townreading em
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:51 pm
by Menalque
Oh, that was illness, that really shouldn’t be considered representative of my meta. That probably would have been a high effort game if I hadn’t gotten ill
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:53 pm
by Alisae
In post 722, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think you both are quite easy to read for me at this point tbh, and i'm ready to just settle on both of you being town.
If C9++ and that newbie game i had with Mena are any indication then he is lazy as scum. Here he actually efforts.
Alisae mostly agenda posts as scum, not what they're doing here.
jezz its scary how quickly ur learning to read me >_<
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:54 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
I'd like to think you're just complimenting me honestly, but that gave me a bit of goose skin not gonna lie.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:55 pm
by Menalque
In post 724, Something_Smart wrote:Okay I reread your plan in
420 (nice, btw). I think that a world where the tomboy daughter gets a majority vote, official or unofficial, is not a world we're winning in anyway. Letting NK15 veto executions might work but it probably won't? If we did, he'd have to come up with the right percentage of the time to randomly veto a non-daughter execution (probably 1/15).
Your plan doesn't fix the main problem, which is the chance of the daughter being caught with tea (or equivalently, the chance that NK has to reject an inspection because the daughter is on it). That chance should be zero. Not sure whether inspecting one or two people is best, but either way NK should have full control over who is inspected. Inspecting someone who is likely tomorrow's execution isn't really bad because like I said if that person is the daughter, we were in hot water anyway.
Okay but mechanics are boring and so I’m happy to let others try to solve the question of how we split resources and what we do about inspections
I think this setup is highly scumsided (my suspicion) so I’m kind of not expecting to win that much
The main thing is: is NK choosing between the two scummiest people on each day the best way to avoid lynching the tomboy daughter without giving info on their identity? Which should be doable so long as NK doesn’t give out reads and thereby indicate whether he actively chose one person > the other or because he flipped a coin. If this isn’t the best way to solve the lynching part of the problem, what is?
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:55 pm
by Alisae
good
my intimidation tactics are working
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:56 pm
by Menalque
Oh for Christ’s fucking sake
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:57 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
Also there's something to be said about the difference between tons of posts VS effort. They aren't always mutually exclusive imo.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:57 pm
by Menalque
In post 732, Menalque wrote: In post 724, Something_Smart wrote:Okay I reread your plan in
420 (nice, btw). I think that a world where the tomboy daughter gets a majority vote, official or unofficial, is not a world we're winning in anyway. Letting NK15 veto executions might work but it probably won't? If we did, he'd have to come up with the right percentage of the time to randomly veto a non-daughter execution (probably 1/15).
Your plan doesn't fix the main problem, which is the chance of the daughter being caught with tea (or equivalently, the chance that NK has to reject an inspection because the daughter is on it). That chance should be zero. Not sure whether inspecting one or two people is best, but either way NK should have full control over who is inspected. Inspecting someone who is likely tomorrow's execution isn't really bad because like I said if that person is the daughter, we were in hot water anyway.
Okay but mechanics are boring and so I’m happy to let others try to solve the question of how we split resources and what we do about inspections
I think this setup is highly scumsided (my suspicion) so I’m kind of not expecting to win that much
The main thing is: is NK choosing between the two scummiest people on each day the best way to avoid executing the tomboy daughter without giving info on their identity? Which should be doable so long as NK doesn’t give out reads and thereby indicate whether he actively chose one person > the other or because he flipped a coin. If this isn’t the best way to solve the executing part of the problem, what is?
Ebwop
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:59 pm
by Menalque
In post 735, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Also there's something to be said about the difference between tons of posts VS effort. They aren't always mutually exclusive imo.
I high efforted that game! I counter claimed skitter as a vig and then retracted and then spent a LONG ASS TIME pushing the execution of neither of the claimed cops while somehow not becoming obvscum for doing so! That was very clearly a game where I efforted! It’s like my 4th most efforted scumgame!
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:59 pm
by Menalque
Also we won!!!
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:00 pm
by Menalque
People just keep talking shit on my scumgame and then losing to me as scum or TRing me and it’s just a big fucking sigh
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:00 pm
by Alisae
maybe you should channel that energy into this game so you could win this towngame >_>
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:00 pm
by Menalque
Like yes, I enjoy town much more and yes it’s a slog when I roll scum but like, my scum record is actually pretty impressive and I feel like that hardly ever gets acknowledged
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:02 pm
by Alisae
mena don't get ahead of yourself
u still got a lot to learn and if I can figure out you were scum by the end of d1 in TM then you still got a ways to go
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:02 pm
by Menalque
In post 740, Alisae wrote:maybe you should channel that energy into this game so you could win this towngame >_>
I’m trying but Maki did have a point and I’m already at 125 posts and while I’m ready to get some votes on notscience and maxwell and get some blood flowing from a good ole guillotine I’m not sure everyone else is, and I’m trying not to drown the thread too hard with my posting
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:04 pm
by Alisae
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:07 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 736, Menalque wrote:is NK choosing between the two scummiest people on each day the best way to avoid executing the tomboy daughter without giving info on their identity?
The only way to avoid executing the tomboy daughter without giving any information away is for NK to randomize something to execute. The more randomness involved, the less information we give away. So if we offer up two and NK randomly picks one, that's twice as good as if we just execute one and pray.
... Except that the one who survived is not going to disappear from people's radars, and the above effect becomes weaker the more times someone survives being on the stand. The net effect is it either screws up our scumhunting by forcing us to treat the scummiest living player as conftown, or it makes us jump through a lot of hoops for a benefit that's not nearly as great as it seems.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 pm
by maxwell
Hadn't liked something Norwegian had said earlier but I liked his posts on page 25.
621 From Datisi is a bad post.
"scum may spam to hide things they don't want seen." in
631 from titus is a very silly notion but it probably means she's town.
S_S's intro is meh. I really really really dislike that he put all his effort into talking about mechanics with no commentary on anyone in the game when there's plenty of material to go off.
In post 668, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not especially confident in my "meta" (if you can even call it that - I was more operating from a vibecheck perspective than like an actual Discerning Meta Analysis Thesis of how Datisi plays as either alignment), it's just the first impression I had and the first push I wanted to make. The question to me feels like a gotcha question rather than something maxwell is genuinely interested in, cause I think it should have been clear from how I was posting already roughly how 'confident' I was in it:
It wasn't actually a gotcha, I wanted to know if you were confident you could easily read Datisi or were talking out your ass (and honestly, you might've been on to something).
page 29 is boring and I have nothing to say on it. Still happy with my vote on Umlaut.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:10 pm
by maxwell
You're too late for that.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:10 pm
by Menalque
In post 742, Alisae wrote:mena don't get ahead of yourself
u still got a lot to learn and if I can figure out you were scum by the end of d1 in TM then you still got a ways to go
In post 1984, Alisae wrote:also, I don't think anyone in my townbloc is to worry
maybe Mena but I don't think so.
Also no offence but even if you did figure it out N1 after that I’m pretty sure you weren’t winning if you tried to force it 1v1 on D2
And that’s a game where I was burned out for rolling scum
immediately
after GnR where I managed the entire scumteam fairly heavily and was not trying that hard. Like if I hadn’t been burned out I probably wouldn’t have bussed or if I had it would have looked better than it did (and it looked good enough that basically the entire thread townread me end of D1 and mastics TR me so hard she tried to masonize me) so
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:12 pm
by Alisae
oh do not underestimate my ability to kill someone
i am very comptent at lynching people i will have u know