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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:14 pm
by Redados
In post 717, ItalianoVD wrote:As a matter of fact I don’t like the doubt that you seem to be brewing.
I'll brew whatever I want, we limmed scum, this is how I feel right now:

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:16 pm
by shellyc
Hello, hello here we go. Salutations to another day. Also YESSS, we got the scum yesterday! :)

T-Bone, are you saying because of the "correct" kill made, an SE is more likely to be scum? (i dont know what correct means)
I feel like Italiano is pretty much locked town here. His posts are coming from a townie mindset in my opinion, and he was TR by SJR.
Red in 713, you put it like Porkens is the only guy that needs to scumhunt. This isn't true, it's our shared objective.

At the start of the game I TR Porkens, because I tend to see aggressive people as town.
But after a bit of reading, I feel like aggressive =/= town, and scum can feign it.
I think Porkens might be a good lynch today, but i'd like to see his defense.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:22 pm
by Redados
In post 726, shellyc wrote:Hello, hello here we go. Salutations to another day. Also YESSS, we got the scum yesterday! :)

T-Bone, are you saying because of the "correct" kill made, an SE is more likely to be scum? (i dont know what correct means)
I feel like Italiano is pretty much locked town here. His posts are coming from a townie mindset in my opinion, and he was TR by SJR.
Red in 713, you put it like Porkens is the only guy that needs to scumhunt. This isn't true, it's our shared objective.

At the start of the game I TR Porkens, because I tend to see aggressive people as town.
But after a bit of reading, I feel like aggressive =/= town, and scum can feign it.
I think Porkens might be a good lynch today, but i'd like to see his defense.
I'm not speaking for T-Bone, but SJReaver was the correct kill imo. If someone is lock town like SJReaver was, then they're the correct kill.

I've towntunneled Italiano pretty hard at this point, I would be really surprised if he were scum. I'm not sure if SJR or GG's reads clear people necessarily, what clears Italiano for me was him hammering Word.

Pretend #713 was replaced with the contents of #722, that's more of what I meant to convey there.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:29 pm
by shellyc
I like Red a lot here. He's not in my lynchpool. He has posted a few long posts analysing various aspects. I feel like scum wouldn't have the motivation to do this.

Porkens, Mini, possibly T-Bone? would be my lynches.
Also you TR T-Bone in post 701 but put him in lynchpool in post 723. That's contradictory.

My reads: (in order from town -> scum)
GeniusGamer

ItalianoVD

Redados


T-Bone

MiniMegabyte


Porkens

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:32 pm
by Redados
In post 728, shellyc wrote:Also you TR T-Bone in post 701 but put him in lynchpool in post 723. That's contradictory.
723 is my lynchpool
only
in regards to the post I'm quoting. AKA who do I think could be scum if I was basing it only on who died last night. Hence, including myself. I would never actually eliminate myself.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:35 pm
by shellyc
Noted with thanks Redados. I missed the NKA part.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:20 pm
by T-Bone
Yes, that is what I meant by correct kill.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:24 pm
by T-Bone
I think Shelly also towntold over and over again. So really the lim-pool from my perspective is just Porkens and Redados. Outside chance on Minimegabyte simply because I can't think of a single thing they've done all game. That's not a knock, that's good strategy considering if they are indeed scum.

Lock townread on Genius obviously. I think Italino and Shelly have both townslipped.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:25 pm
by T-Bone
Red, why didn't you even consider GeniusGamer to be the correct kill when you spoke of it in #727?

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:35 pm
by Redados
In post 733, T-Bone wrote:Red, why didn't you even consider GeniusGamer to be the correct kill when you spoke of it in #727?
I'm not trying to be mean or disparaging with what I have to say:

SJR and GG were both lock town. SJR helped the town more than GG. Therefore SJR was the correct kill.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:44 pm
by T-Bone
You're too good, and that's why I've narrowed it down to two.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:50 pm
by shellyc
Hmmm. Where do you consider me to have "townslipped"? I don't know what you mean. But it's nice to see you reading me as townie.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:52 pm
by shellyc
In post 735, T-Bone wrote:You're too good, and that's why I've narrowed it down to two.
Is stating the correct NK townie? I think thats NAI in my opinion

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:57 pm
by T-Bone
No, I'm saying that if it isn't Porkens as the last scum, it's because it is Redados.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:13 pm
by Redados
In post 735, T-Bone wrote:You're too good, and that's why I've narrowed it down to two.
are you... pocketing me???? :evil: (am I using that word right?)
In post 736, shellyc wrote:Hmmm. Where do you consider me to have "townslipped"? I don't know what you mean. But it's nice to see you reading me as townie.
You townslipped when you asked why SJR was the "correct" kill
In post 738, T-Bone wrote:No, I'm saying that if it isn't Porkens as the last scum, it's because it is Redados.
I haven't rolled scum in forum mafia/werewolf yet, but IRL in the Resistance/SH etc I talk a lot and don't shut up when I'm the on the good guys, and I stay pretty quiet and laid back when I'm one of the bad guys. I'm starting to find my playstyle here online and it's a combination of stream of conscienceless and big analytical posts. Not sure if I could pull this off if I were scum.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:53 pm
by MiniMegabyte
Hello to you all, I forgot the day had started my bad. I do want to ask the question as to why a lot of people are scum reading Porkens?

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:53 pm
by MiniMegabyte
I care on to update my thoughts and things the other day to realise day had ended. Great job on getting scum though! Now let’s hope we can find the partner

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:09 pm
by shellyc
In post 740, MiniMegabyte wrote:I do want to ask the question as to why a lot of people are scum reading Porkens?
PoE, NKA, how his posts are NAI

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:16 pm
by Porkens
Hey y'all. I've read through Micc and Word, and then reread with each potential partner. I will do a little writeup later tonight before I got to bed. For now, here are my raw notes:

Spoiler:
Readthrough of Micc and Word
Questions MM
Votes ItalianoVD
Questions ItalianoVD
Questions ShellyC - Defends TBone
Feels “betrayed” by TBone
Unvotes ItalianoVD with no read

—-234 Readslist:—-
Calls out Shelly for Hypocrisy and noonish reasoning but leans town
Shades noblenoob
Susses MM compared to Shelly
ItalianoVD seems pretty town
Redados - likes engagement but doesn’t think Italiano push was justified
GG - not memorable
Porkens - calls me scum by play but “respects my town game” to let it slide
TBone - page 3 RVS was sus and sitting there to page 10 was more so. Calls out for scum read and weak scumhunting.

Votes MM

Encourages GG to vote MM

—-Word321 replaces in——

Questions Red about reading Italiano games and TR
Qs T-Bone on Micc Read
Defends self against Tbone, criticize for tunneling - parks votes
Questions Red
“bating” excuse to unvote Tbone
Votes Shelly - “ok” tackling copycat

MM Probably Town
T-Bone Probably Town
Red Probably Town

——MiccWord and IVD——

Italiano does not suspect micc based on the latter vote on himself
Italiano “assumes” micc’s vote is serious, would like to hear from other players
Italiano pivots to Redados
Micc confirms out of RVS - therefore the vote is serious - but then…
Micc goes to tbone and Italiano goes to me
Italiano says he isn’t feeling Micc 74, but says the wording sounds townie “but I don’t know”

—-Italiano Reds List in 187—-
Tbone town
Mini is town
Shelly is town
NN is townlean
Micc is null
Porkens is null
GG is scumlean for interaction between Micc and Tbone
Redados is scum LAMIST
Italiano talks with nn, red, gg
Italiano goes after me, then posts a new reads list:
Slight change on mini, shelly, and micc; give mini benefit of the doubt, shelly just seems towny, micc “reevaluating that way makes me think town” lots of qualification <- no elimination group
In 287 italiano questions shelly for her vote on micc - they are both town reads.
Later calls shelly town

—-Italiano readslist—-
Agrees with SJR realist but questions her towered on him
Questions Shelly on Hypocrisy
Defended a perceived townread on Micc
Welcome Word, calls both he and tone town
In 585 Italiano says scum are between shelly and word.
Votes Shelly instead of micc
No posts from word
Talks himself out of shelly
Hammers


—-MiccWord and MM—-

Some questioning of T-bone centered Micc/no interaction with Word

—-MiccWord and Red—

Micc joins Red’s RVS vote
Red jumps off right away

—Red read list 43—
Micc is in teaching/explaining mode null

Thanks micc for guidance

Red-read list 718
Micc - teaching mode, goofy tone interaction, want to hear more

Asks micc for reads - neutral still
Answers word321 and asks for read
Word asks more - Red answers
Announces he could be convinced to hang hat guy
Metas hat guy
Calls hat scum

—MiccWord and ShellyC—
Talks to micc about lurking
Accuses micc of pocketing
Challenges micas vote
Votes micc
unvotes when he replaces out
Calls him hat guy
Middle reads list
Word tries to Lynch shelly
Votes word
—MiccWord and T-Bone—
Votes micc
Calls micc scummy
Calls micc scummy again
Calls micc scummy again
Calms Shelly at E-1

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:31 pm
by Redados
In post 743, Porkens wrote: —MiccWord and T-Bone—
Votes micc
Calls micc scummy
Calls micc scummy again
Calls micc scummy again
lmao
In post 742, shellyc wrote:
In post 740, MiniMegabyte wrote:I do want to ask the question as to why a lot of people are scum reading Porkens?
PoE, NKA, how his posts are NAI
I'll elaborate on this for you, Mini.

1. PoE (process of elimination). This isn't 100% a factor for me, but if you re-read my post 701, I make the case that if we go strictly by votecount, either you (MiniMega) or Porkens is the mafia. Of course, that's not how this works, but it's a factor!

2. NKA (something about Night Kill). The argument here is that only about four players would have night-killed SJReaver, including Porkens (I make this argument in post 723).

3. How his posts are NAI (Not Alignment Indicative). I talk about this in post 722. Basically, I can't tell if Porkens is town or mafia.

None of these things makes me go, "Porkens must be the spy." But when you look at them all together, it makes me want to vote for him and see what he has to say.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:31 pm
by Redados
I just looked in the wiki and NKA stands for "night kill analysis," for anyone else like me who didn't know that one

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:49 pm
by MiniMegabyte
Okay that’s understandable I did get on and see that word321 was being voted but I didn’t vote as when I got on they were at E-1 and no claim had been made from them. When I got the time to jump back on site they had been eliminated and it was night time so if you like I can post my reads since the confirmation of the two masons and the elimination of word321

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:57 pm
by Redados
In post 746, MiniMegabyte wrote: Okay that’s understandable I did get on and see that word321 was being voted but I didn’t vote as when I got on they were at E-1 and no claim had been made from them. When I got the time to jump back on site they had been eliminated and it was night time so if you like I can post my reads since the confirmation of the two masons and the elimination of word321
Please post a reads list, more information is good!

In regards to (1), now that T-Bone has posted his night kill analysis, I don't think that you (MiniMegabyte) are mafia.

My reads list-

Town:
GeniusGamer
Redados

Convincing Town:
T-Bone
ItalianoVD

New Town:
ShellyC
MiniMegabyte

Scum?:
Porkens

This is evolving and it's totally possible that I'm tunneling here. Also possibly sheeping because I honestly had not really thought more about the night kill until T-Bone said something.

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:01 pm
by MiniMegabyte
Okay so i'm not exactly scum-reading anyone but there are 2 people that I haven't been able to really make a decision on. I have a pretty good idea though that the people listed under town are in fact town.

Town
Italiano
Shelly
Tbone
Mini
GenuisGamer

Unsure
Porkens
Redados

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:16 pm
by shellyc
In post 728, shellyc wrote:I like Red a lot here. He's not in my lynchpool. He has posted a few long posts analysing various aspects. I feel like scum wouldn't have the motivation to do this.

Porkens, Mini, possibly T-Bone? would be my lynches.
Also you TR T-Bone in post 701 but put him in lynchpool in post 723. That's contradictory.

My reads: (in order from town -> scum)
GeniusGamer

ItalianoVD

Redados


T-Bone

MiniMegabyte


Porkens
Might change porkens to purple zone after that post