Open 788 - Crossfire - Game Over

[Fredrick A Campbell]

We will lose the game if we don't dunk all the scum in approximately eight days. Will someone please hammer hellbooks?

[Chemical Elements]

We will lose the game if we don't dunk all the scum in approximately eight days. Will someone please hammer hellbooks?

[innocentvillager]

^ what he and he said

And I don’t want A50 gone... at least for a bit huehuehue

[innocentvillager]

but I don’t agree that Leader is being anti town or scummy heehee

[Hiraki]

"I don't think he's scum, and I don't think what he's doing has scum motivation, but I'm voting him anyway".

Yeah, I'm aware of what I said. We're at a stand still and the game has 8 days left before scum win (just in case people think that getting to zero is a 'happily ever after' scenario). I tried to compromise between both sides and was shot down. Simplifying what I said and not including that point is misleading.

I do NOT wish for there to be multiple dunks in sequence without us being able to reevaluate after each of them.

Okay, good to know. My vote is definitely staying on then since you decided not to vote in this post.

Right now I am trying to figure out what dunk improves my reads the most, and -until I do- I am not voting. It's not like my vote will decide the game. We're far too far away from D-lo still, and 1 vote out of 13 is insignificant.

Can you guarantee that you'll be watching this thread like a hawk for the last 72 hours of the game? Because that is exactly what you're implying. This game ends in less than one week. We have gotten rid of 2/14 in half of the game's time. We need to at the very

minimum

eliminate 3 more people. At the current pace, this will

not

happen.

Additionally, saying that we're not close to D-lo implies that you're okay with the more CRUCIAL eliminations in this game having LESS time. ???????????????????????????????????????

[Almost50]

I didn't say he was scummy, but he is being anti-town with his stance. Basically he's not accounting for changing variables. The chain reaction that could be. I would be happy to explain it to you post game.

P-edit:

Additionally, saying that we're not close to D-lo implies that you're okay with the more CRUCIAL eliminations in this game having LESS time. ???????????????????????????????????????

NO. What I'm saying that UNLESS it's D-lo then one vote isn't much. What I'm saying is I HOPE we won't get there at all (D-Lo means we mis-dunk

at least

6 people as we speak.)

[Nono]

fine. fine
VOTE: Hammer Hell don't say I don't pull my weight

[Isis]

Nono you were more excited about hammering in general earlier, were you townreading or nullreading hellbooks?

[Nono]

kek, was joking x)

[Isis]

you were joking about having reservations just now, or you were joking about your desire to hammer-because-it's-fun?

[Lavender]

Had some things pop out recently, sorry that I didn’t say much m(_ _)m
Though I didn’t post that much anyways...

[Marksman]

Why do you scumread me, Raya?

[Marksman]

I get a strong towny vibe from her posts. No specific post, but rather hher consistency throughout the game hasn't wavered. I've been watching her vigilantly and I see no cause for alarm from Hellbooks.

Agree with this. I was townreading her almost solely off tone. She has a scumgame (Grand Idea uPick), and she was a lot more terse and serious.

RIP though.

[Marksman]

Wait, A50, are you not voting out of safety because you don't want chain reactions, or because you don't know who scum are?

[Almost50]

Both. If I did know who scum were I'd vote them and would NOT worry about the chain reaction because we'd be dunking scum back to back. Voting "suspects" though may result in dunking them back to back when they could still be town.

Like, check the votes on me. Not a single one of them calls me scum. Even Casey has admitted she hates me, but I "could" still be scum = she doesn't have confidence in her read, and that's the closest thing to being a SR from all of them. Hiraki & CE have explicitly stated they do NOT SR me. Now imagine if everyone voted people they don't even SR.

[Casey]

why have you been watching her vigilantly over others when you townread her...?

Because she hasn't done a thing to question her towniness. Same with Marksman. I haven't had an opportunity to question their flawless jive.

[Casey]

We will lose the game if we don't dunk all the scum in approximately eight days. Will someone please hammer hellbooks?

You mean Elements.

[Casey]

Now imagine if everyone voted people they don't even SR.

That's what's given us an awful Hellbooks dunk instead of a perfect Elements dunk.

I think the problem here is that Lavender and Nono are town, meaning were literally down 2 extra townies.

[Chemical Elements]

We will lose the game if we don't dunk all the scum in approximately eight days. Will someone please hammer hellbooks?

You mean Elements.

Elements is not at D-1.

[Chemical Elements]

Both. If I did know who scum were I'd vote them and would NOT worry about the chain reaction because we'd be dunking scum back to back. Voting "suspects" though may result in dunking them back to back when they could still be town.

Like, check the votes on me. Not a single one of them calls me scum. Even Casey has admitted she hates me, but I "could" still be scum = she doesn't have confidence in her read, and that's the closest thing to being a SR from all of them. Hiraki & CE have explicitly stated they do NOT SR me. Now imagine if everyone voted people they don't even SR.

If you fail to dunk anyone, you lose the game with 100% certainty.

[Casey]

THEN VOTE ELEMENTS AND STOP PUTTING US DOWN A LOSING PATH JEEZ

[Casey]

11 left, 6 to dunk

-3 maf, -2 L&N

That's 6 left.

We need all 6 of us to be voting correctly.

These reckless votes are dooming us.

Lavender is at D-2 with 4 people who are also on the Hellbooks wagon.

This is ridiculous.

[Casey]

Lavender will be at D-1. I expect unvotes as soon as D3 starts.

[Almost50]

If you fail to dunk anyone, you lose the game with 100% certainty.

And you still lose if you give scum the chance to line up dunks in a row. Duh!

What I'm saying is limit your bloody votes to -say- 2 or 3 people that YOU SCUMREAD. Collectively there should always be only 2-3 competing wagons and NO ONE ELSE @ EVEN D-2. That way Scum cannot jump on a wagon causing a dunk that in turn takes out the next person because the dunk threshold has been lowered (this is a more serious problem when we are at an even number). I even explained to you before.

I obviously can't do the calculations because I don't know who scum are and -also- don't know ho they're voting right now, but -in theory- 3 bloody votes is enough if they can coordinate their timing to post in succession and have this game end right after the flip is posted by the mod.

HOWEVER, if hb flips red scum will only have 2 votes and it will become harder for them to do that. Yet again, it's matter of principle for me. I look at the mechanics, I see their vulnerability and I avoid putting myself in a situation where I might be gifting scum the win for no reason but me being lazy and careless, and if you don't want to listen that's on you (unless you are scum yourself, in which case congratulations, because your bus on the 1st wagon has put you in such a situation where everyone is overlooking the fact you were on both mis-dunks (hb must be town if you are scum) AND are also voting the top 2 wagons (myself and Lav) already.

[innocentvillager]

I don’t hate an Elements dunk after this

Just to clarify we’re in twilight and this time gets added back right