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In post 718, Farren wrote:VOTE: Ydrasse

In post 698, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 683, Ydrasse wrote:@farren: :> i was just reading over that and noticed that gl didn't actually reply to that as far as i can see?

i think that gamma being resistant of accepting the townread/actively pushing against gl is townier than gl offering the tr and rolling with it/affirming it.

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I did answer it in 104, Gamma acknowledged this in his next post

here's a question for both you and Farren regarding my Gamma TR - why would scum!me give a freebie townread on Gamma specifically? What do you think is my angle here? When I rolled scum in the first roll of this setup, I specifically named him in the mafia PT (dunno if Farren/MT saw those posts tho) as someone I thought we may be able to plausibly push/eliminate. He's not someone who is generally universally townread or a town leader, I've historically mistakenly scumread him in several prior games, and this game so far isn't really an exception to his normal style IMO.

however, he has done something I actually see as quite town-indicative this game - he claimed an early strong townread on a questionable slot while it was under scrutiny from a well-known aggressive/influential player in Menalque. I hardly see this come from scum - if town!Ydrasse, he's cutting off avenues to vote her later for no real gain in terms of towncred, and risks town spewing her on his flip. I also doubt he'd do it if they were partnered, the vast majority of scum players are too scared to defend their buddy from early game suspicion in that manner.

The only agenda I could

maybe

see as scum-serving is if he's partnered with exactly Menalque and they were using Ydrasse as a wedge topic to casually distance from each other without actually pushing each other directly, but that like actively requires me to don the tinfoil.

There's also the execution of the post/read, he didn't bother to give a real explanation nor did he try to double down on it when he received blowback, it strikes me as a fundamentally genuine thought with no agenda or scum motivation. That's solid grounds for a D1 townread, and I haven't seen him

do

anything to make me want to go back and re-evaluate, as I said yesterday.

so winding back - if I'm scum and Gamma's town, why would I go through the effort of fake TRing him, especially since you don't see this as S-S? Would Gamma really be a necessary pocket for me here? If I were scum I don't think I'd even need to bring a read on him to the table at that point, it was literally the first read I gave and I could have likely dressed up a read on almost anybody else if I wanted to.

I can understand

not agreeing

with my read here, but I can't grok how you see scum!agenda in it, Gamma's not under threat of elimination and he'd be very low on the list of slots I feel I need to buddy or to play around if I were scum.

In post 716, tea leaves wrote:Ydrasse could you go over why you still think I'm scum after everything I said? If I was scum I would just fake some nice sounding logic for why I voted Farren rather than try and be completely honest with what I was thinking back then which is what you and Isis don't like.
I'm thinking about if I should omgus you or not.

In post 723, Bell wrote:

In post 722, Ydrasse wrote:i'll be around later tonight/tomorrow to talk more!

@bell: this might be weird to ask since it's about me but could you post some of the things that pinged you abt me?

I slept all day. I'm not sure if I'm happy that happened or worried.

1. This game has angry ghosts. If you push an elimination yourself without a shield the rest of the town is likely to get nagged by vengeful stumps into making you the next elimination.
2. Why would it be weird to be curious about my motivations of my read of you?

In post 736, Bell wrote:You can see a lot of examples of her talking about her internal reasoning prompted and unprompted. Sometimes she says she doesn't share her change in reads. But she consistently shares what she is internally thinking about whatever topic she's on. By saying 'I think' etc.

In post 735, Bell wrote:Self-narration is when a player trys to construct an accounting of their own internal experience.
Perhaps said differently, it's when a player thinks out loud to get into their town character. The issue is right there in the wording, they don't need to type out their internal reasoning unprompted unless someone asks because they're town already. But a scum player that needs to fake the perspective of a town player might write something like that.

In post 736, Bell wrote:You can see a lot of examples of her talking about her internal reasoning prompted and unprompted. Sometimes she says she doesn't share her change in reads. But she consistently shares what she is internally thinking about whatever topic she's on. By saying 'I think' etc.

In post 723, Bell wrote:1. This game has angry ghosts. If you push an elimination yourself without a shield the rest of the town is likely to get nagged by vengeful stumps into making you the next elimination.