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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:20 am
by Nosferatu
In post 614, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Although
I think that cfj is town
. call it a 70% certainty.
totally unambiguous
In post 713, callforjudgement wrote:Eventually Walter calls me "70% certainty" of town (#614);
this is technically a mild scumread (assuming a 10:3 setup, a hypothetically town Walter would think a perfectly null read was 75% likely to be town.)
why even make this digression?

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:26 am
by Nosferatu
In post 658, callforjudgement wrote:Instead, you've basically been just sitting there, sitting on your read, not even reading the game. (I can tell you aren't reading because you're wrong about the size of wagons: I'm not the leading wagon, but the fourth-largest (third-largest if you ignore the wagon on shelly, which is a joke). The largest wagons are on Walter and on you.)
makes it seem like italiano is just totally off-base but on the literal last page we can see he definitely was the leading wagon
In post 633, GeorgeBailey wrote:
Votecount 1.10

callforjudgement(4)
~ (52), (49), (48), (19)

WaltertheDunce10(2)
~ (43), (23)
shellyc(2)
~ (61), (26)
Tayl0r Swift(1)
~ (50)
Not_Mafia(1)
~ (50)
ItalianoVD(1)
~ (56)
geraintm(1)
~ (70)
Gamma Emerald(1)
~ (62)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-06 11:18:30)
two of the replacements were on his wagon so they subsequently unvoted, totally normal, but cfg acts like this was ages ago and italiano is practically just on a different planet

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:27 am
by Nosferatu
but ya don't question his narrative at all lets go big post = town yes

VOTE: italianovd

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:53 am
by Tayl0r Swift
In post 727, Nosferatu wrote:but ya don't question his narrative at all lets go big post = town yes

VOTE: italianovd
so this is a sarcastic vote?

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:32 am
by GeorgeBailey
Votecount 1.11

ItalianoVD(4)
~ (62), (70), (59), (71)

WaltertheDunce10(2)
~ (52), (23)
shellyc(2)
~ (28), (30)
callforjudgement(2)
~ (63), (51)
Not_Mafia(1)
~ (54)
geraintm(1)
~ (74)
Gamma Emerald(1)
~ (67)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-06 11:18:30)

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:04 am
by Tayl0r Swift
my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:04 pm
by Looker
In post 669, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 654, RCEnigma wrote:Every second spent reading mafia is a burden to me.
Don’t play mafia then :cool:
But we don't have to read to play. You could really just vote if you wanted.
In post 670, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:A bit, but the fact you unvoted then put down reading. I probably would have flipped those two around.
As I also noted it was only one post of yours.
Has anything popped out to you in your reading so far?
Also, Looker, in an earlier post I noted the lack of a big wagon, now that has changed since I made it but it reminded me of bugspray D1. Do you think that could be the case here?
  • So if I would have put down "reading" and then "unvote", you would've been fine? It doesn't make sense to me.
  • Reading is boring and I fall asleep. Is there anything particular I should focus on?
  • I don't know what you're referring to when you say bugspray.
In post 671, Raya36 wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 649, shellyc wrote:
In post 648, Looker wrote:UNVOTE:
reading
Weird opening imo. This is pure gut but more than a bit scummy to me

Seemed like a pretty standard opening to me
No meta? I do that in all the games I replace in.
In post 682, shellyc wrote:In case this is not clear, I have finished reading the game.
Why was this relevant? Did someone accuse you of not reading?
In post 706, Raya36 wrote:Nope. You're newbtown from my understanding. The first part I said //could// be ready as you forming a case out of nothing. What I really think it is is newbtown trying to find something to comment on. It's also easy to understand why newbtown would join an opportunistic wagon.
I'm struggling to find something to comment on. Where should I focus?
In post 717, ItalianoVD wrote:@callforjudgment:
Spoiler:
You are right, at the time I made my comment I thought you were still the leading wagon because I initially missed Taylor and RCEnigma jumping off of you. My apologies on that; with that said: There were two changes to the game state that your wagon was involved in.

(1) Nosferatu said the game was boring and for someone to do something. That’s when the counterwagon to your wagon was created (Banana)
(2) You said you didn’t like the game state and wanted something done about it. That’s when your wagon gets dissolved. (Walter / myself)

You
were
the leading wagon and were at L-2.

1) RCEnigma started it
2) Nosferatu jumped on
3) SJReaver jumped on
4) I jumped on
5) Taylor jumped on

Then happened, and Banana became the counterwagon. In you said you didn’t like the gamestate and wanted something to be done about it. At the time of that post you were still the leading wagon. Then your wagon dissolved and went back to Walter and then to myself.
There is a problem with all this and the #1 problem is that you are pretty universally scumread. Frogsterking scumreads your slot, RCEnigma scumreads your slot, Taylor scumreads your slot, Raya scumreads your slot and yet none of them are voting for you.

If you are scum:
then I’d surmise your two partners are in that group or one is in that group and the other has distanced themselves from you completely.

If you are town:
then you’d be an easy target for scum to latch onto given your universal scumread, which is why I find it hard to believe that your wagon would dissolve if it was scum driven.
This makes the most sense to me.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:26 pm
by geraintm
@ nosferatu - thanks for providing some explanation of your votes. will be useful later

@ call for judgement - this feels like a well meaning post. can you see yourself not voting for Italiano today>
In post 714, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I do tend to be a person who is miselimed cfj. I call bullshit on this statement, I think that all 3 wagons you, Italiano and I are somewhat town.
I should point out that 650 was not enough of a scum read and a vote. I did not think of that number to be associated with the actual percentage, just one that you have a higher chance of flipping town.
i'll note here that most wagons are mostly town. just the way it works
In post 715, Tayl0r Swift wrote: this is a good post. i think there is a third possible explanation though, which is why i moved my vote away from walter. i dont think im going to vote for walter or italiano today, but will expect more from them on subsequent days.
you do like leaving reasons hanging in the air. you did it in 690 too when you said we shouldn't discuss your vote, and you again have hinted at something you know but don't want to share with us.
In post 716, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 694, geraintm wrote:
In post 679, Tayl0r Swift wrote: oof yeah i really wanna lynch in cfj, shelly, enigma, or walter. like really really. they cant all be scum but this is some serious opportunism, id be surprised if there arent at least 2 scum in there maybe even all three if walter is scum.
don't like posts like this. caling out a third of the game and saying there is likely to be a scum in there...well duh. it feels like a post they can circle back later to to say "look, I always thought they were scum"
i think having a PoE of 3-4 people at this stage is pretty good actually. and im not saying i think theres one scum in this group. im saying i think this is where we find most if not all of the scum and flipping here will solve the game.
we have very different views on how helpful this type of post is then. I understand I am not going to change people's minds but it is something I do take note of

@ Italiano when you said "two partners are in that group" - what was the group you meant?

I aim to start going through everyone and give my thoughts on them soon.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:47 am
by GeorgeBailey
Frogsterking and Not_Mafia have been prodded!

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:03 am
by Frogsterking
I don't have much new to add except that I'm tempted to do an ISO on the Walter slot because his alignment seems to be a point of contention.

Looker replaced into a slot I had a slight town read on and shelly replaced into a slot I was scum reading and on first glance neither has done anything yet that looks alignment indicative to me.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:10 am
by Frogsterking
Also I do think that Nosferatu's recent posts are much more pro town, so at this point while I'm still skeptical of Nosferatu I'm happiest with where my vote is currently at because of my earlier read on Banana.
In post 730, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.
Who is enigma?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:20 am
by Not_Mafia
Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:57 am
by Tayl0r Swift
In post 735, Frogsterking wrote:Also I do think that Nosferatu's recent posts are much more pro town, so at this point while I'm still skeptical of Nosferatu I'm happiest with where my vote is currently at because of my earlier read on Banana.
In post 730, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.
Who is enigma?
RCEnigma?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:57 am
by Tayl0r Swift
In post 736, Not_Mafia wrote:Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch
no and no.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:10 am
by Frogsterking
In post 737, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 735, Frogsterking wrote:Also I do think that Nosferatu's recent posts are much more pro town, so at this point while I'm still skeptical of Nosferatu I'm happiest with where my vote is currently at because of my earlier read on Banana.
In post 730, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.
Who is enigma?
RCEnigma?
Oh shit I've been reading it as RCE nigma this whole time, like he's into sports or radios or something.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:26 am
by ItalianoVD
In post 732, geraintm wrote:@Italiano when you said "two partners are in that group" - what was the group you meant?
I was talking about this group
In post 717, ItalianoVD wrote:There is a problem with all this and the #1 problem is that you are pretty universally scumread. Frogsterking scumreads your slot, RCEnigma scumreads your slot, Taylor scumreads your slot, Raya scumreads your slot and yet none of them are voting for you.
This is not even taking into account cfj’s two voters (myself and Looker). So there’s a total of 6 slots out of the 13 that have made it known that they are either scumreading him or comfortable placing a vote there.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:50 am
by Tayl0r Swift
i no longer scumread cfj, at least not sufficiently to place a vote there. i will not be voting for cfj today.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:51 am
by Nosferatu
cool bro, you townread low effort paragraphs; will remember

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:00 am
by Tayl0r Swift
yep thats what i did and do. just write a longish paragraph and ill assume it could only come from town. thats what i said at the time and im sticking by my original statement. you really sound like scum who is frustrated that townies are being successful in townhunting.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:09 am
by Nosferatu
crazy how ppl can be so confident for no reason whatsoever

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:11 am
by Frogsterking
In post 736, Not_Mafia wrote:Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch
I'd be more likely to consider joining your wagon if I understood why you scum read him.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:58 am
by Tayl0r Swift
to be clear nos, my last post was sarcastic. also, is your vote on italiano sarcastic or serious?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:14 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 730, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.
Why do you think they all pile on the same wagon with minimal reasoning? Towards the beginning, no less?

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:15 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 736, Not_Mafia wrote:Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch
We have no assurance that a vig is in the game, calling someone a vig kill is meaningless while that’s the case

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:40 am
by Tayl0r Swift
In post 747, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 730, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.
Why do you think they all pile on the same wagon with minimal reasoning? Towards the beginning, no less?
yeah kinda interesting but they were my solve before all hopping on the same counterwagon. or maybe concurrently, but for other reasons.