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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:21 am
by shellyc
In post 724, Bell wrote:I dunno, you’ve seen the follies of people enough and you’ve been scum enough to know how often we are to be wrong.
Though there’s a lot of players that are like that and keep on truckin’
So meh.
The charisma thing I feel plays more into early day phases and irl mafia than online mafia. But off topic
if we think we're wrong -> re-evaluate theres a point where the chain has to stop and i feel no need to post every single part of the re-evaluation
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:22 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
I need to sleep, so I'm heading out. Tomorrow will be busy, I'll be active but only inconsistently so. I recommend anyone who has questions for me notepads them and bombards me when they see me post, cause I'm going to be power-skimming when I have time given how fast this thread rolls.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:23 am
by Bell
Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:26 am
by Isis
If you don't think charisma is a dominating force in forum mafia, I think you're wrong, but I think you're probably wrong because you're not defining charisma broadly enough rather than disagreeing about the kind of posting winning the games. Some players have an extremely low rate of being executed on both sides of alignment. Most of them are also good at protecting partners and finding scum, but some of them aren't, but it's a huge boost to winrate to always survive either way.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:26 am
by shellyc
In post 727, Bell wrote:Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
I don't have terrible reads
I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:27 am
by shellyc
we should make an MD thread about this someday
UNO come back please
isis are you still reconsidering bell
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:28 am
by UNOwen
In post 721, shellyc wrote:
ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling
This is the meta reason:
In post 564, Isis wrote:The iso doesn't matter. LLD doesn't want to interact with me whenever she's scum and she passed up an opportunity to interact with me. She's probably scum
If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:29 am
by shellyc
In post 731, UNOwen wrote:If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.
but why would scum ever try and miselim a proactive player when they have a nightkill
wait
scum don't have a nightkill
this makes sense uno you're good
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:30 am
by shellyc
but i guess scum could just vengekill a proactive player but scum lose their NK after that
so conclusion this is a super townsided step woohoo
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:32 am
by UNOwen
In post 720, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:To get back to you, UNOwen, I think you could opine on /literally any slot except the universal punching bag/? I mean, you are taking /no stands/ here. I don't even expect your vote to move, I expect you to have anything at all to talk about with this 20 player game OTHER than the player that's been talked about to death.
Your slot is content free. Content. Free. You have taken no stand worth remarking on, you have chimed on on zero non-Noraa events of any sort, you have posted no reads that aren't the single easiest elimination/miselimination possible in this entire game. UNOwen, if I didn't know better I'd say you weren't playing this game at all, and that you're on the player list by mistake and using the opportunity to dunk on Noraa. /That isn't a compliment./
At some point I will have opinions that are more substantial and worth offering without request. But the game has just started, and it is going at a good pace, so I see no reason to rush.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:33 am
by shellyc
UNO i would like these names arranged in order of town -> scum
shellyc
Mushagana
isis
pooky
LLD
hopkirk
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:35 am
by Isis
In post 731, UNOwen wrote: In post 721, shellyc wrote:
ok why do you think the logic is weak because meta itself is quite compelling
This is the meta reason:
In post 564, Isis wrote:The iso doesn't matter. LLD doesn't want to interact with me whenever she's scum and she passed up an opportunity to interact with me. She's probably scum
If LLD scum always tries to avoid a player and they have enough experience together for this to be a thing, then it probably would have come up before and so LLD scum would know to play around it. It sounds like kind of a weak tell to try and take out the most proactive player and yourself over.
It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an
eleventh
of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:35 am
by Bell
In post 729, shellyc wrote: In post 727, Bell wrote:Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
I don't have terrible reads
I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town
There’s a lot that factors into that .
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.
@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.
I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
It’s pure scum hunting with the caveat that scum can’t shoot their partners.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:35 am
by shellyc
im getting major gut townvibes from hopkirk btw, based on the resistance to leashing, the pushing on noraa and reasonable TRs
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:36 am
by UNOwen
In post 735, shellyc wrote:UNO i would like these names arranged in order of town -> scum
shellyc
Mushagana
isis
pooky
LLD
hopkirk
Now I like this task.
LLD
MUSH
shellyc
Pooky
Hopkirk
Isis
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:36 am
by Isis
Like sometimes when you are good at scum you realize "I need to do X thing and that one person will definitely scumread me for it but everyone else will townread me for it so it doesn't matter"
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:36 am
by shellyc
In post 737, Bell wrote: In post 729, shellyc wrote: In post 727, Bell wrote:Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.
I don't have terrible reads
I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town
There’s a lot that factors into that .
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.
@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.
I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
It’s pure scum hunting with the caveat that scum can’t shoot their partners.
we effectively deny scum an NK if we hit scum on the last pass
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:37 am
by shellyc
insightful
why is mush that high though
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:39 am
by Isis
I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:39 am
by UNOwen
In post 736, Isis wrote:
It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an
eleventh
of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.
Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:39 am
by Bell
The odds of hitting scum on the last shot aren’t terrible but not great either.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:40 am
by shellyc
In post 743, Isis wrote:I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though
oh are you still thinking of the possibility of noraa town
noraa's whole iso screams LAMISS*
*Look At Me I'm So Scum
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:40 am
by Bell
In post 743, Isis wrote:I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though
I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:41 am
by shellyc
In post 747, Bell wrote: In post 743, Isis wrote:I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though
I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.
In post 744, UNOwen wrote: In post 736, Isis wrote:
It happened in a second game even though it was a pattern in the first, so that counterargument didn't matter to me.
Even assuming she's aware about it, why couldn't it be correct play to just do it anyway and get voted and end up an
eleventh
of the way to getting eliminated? It's unlikely to be compelling to other players.
Well two games experience certainly doesn't sound like enough to establish a pattern.
If you're playing with a player who has a scum tell on you that you can easily counter, then it is surely correct play to just do that?
no
based on my vast experience playing scum
it's sometimes all about finding a target audience
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:42 am
by Bell
There’s a lot of occam’s razor issues and experience issues going around this.
I guess isis is more familiar with my not being a fan with being associated with unflipped potential scum but you’re not totally unaware of that either.