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In post 651, No Face wrote:

In post 640, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You can tell this is what he is doing right now with his push on me. It's not alignment sorting - it's push to kill.

This really isn't true :<

In post 723, Menalque wrote:

In post 715, Ydrasse wrote:why are you being so stubborn about being townread

no face is, also, town. soulread as town.

vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me

and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal

because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so far

Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess

vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here

No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct

Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy

In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

In post 724, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 649, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 644, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 638, Ydrasse wrote:i dunno, i considered that, but i think especially with the gimmick there would be disconnects , albeit small ones

idk, i just feel like i really Get how he works through things and i don't know how naturally he's able to replicate it even if he is a good scum player? it's hard to explain like, how he works through things but i just Feel it

I think you're probably giving this read more strength than you should, it's very easy to be biased by things like this, but it's still a good reason to TR someone

maybe i am but i just feel through playing a lot of games w him i've grown to just Know what his towngame is, maybe i need a scumgame to be thrown out of the saddle but for now i'm good w townreading no face

this is just default townreading someone all the time lol

In post 721, Vanderscamp wrote:

In post 718, Menalque wrote:

In post 703, Vanderscamp wrote:

In post 689, Menalque wrote:Like literally explain to me why pooky is scum

Substantiate any actual reason for it based on his play so far

I think his case against no face is extremely weird, it just feels like a retaliation.
I don't understand why pooky thinks no face has to be scum for POEing pooky as scum and not town with an incorrect PoE. There was a comment in there that was something like "notice how no face is leaving himself out of his own suspect list" or something like that that I thought was very scummy.

I think pooky has done very little to try to solve the game, I think the only thing pooky has going for him is that he is imo blatantly not trying to look good, but this is also different from mystic bears in the coalition game where that slot was pretty obviously town.

Who cares? Like if pooky wanted to fabricate a case on no face to really push him as a mislim he’d prob just come up with actual solid reasons?

And pooky hardly ever does much to try and solve the game it’s why he’s an annoyingly difficult slot to solve, but that doesn’t actually make him scum, that’s just a feature of how he plays

If pooky is a player who doesn't solve games and frequently gives poor reasons for accusations, then sure, what you're saying is fair.

But I'm not reading someone giving bad reasons on a retaliated scum read as a reason to think they're town.

In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.

In post 654, No Face wrote:

In post 647, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

But why can't I just be town who townreads the other 4?_?

In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.

In post 734, Menalque wrote:If I get lim’d today I wanna be deadsheeped tomorrow

@pooky u owe me for the normal

In post 727, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 723, Menalque wrote:

In post 715, Ydrasse wrote:why are you being so stubborn about being townread

no face is, also, town. soulread as town.

vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me

and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal

because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so far

Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess

vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here

No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct

Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy

okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?

In post 738, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 734, Menalque wrote:If I get lim’d today I wanna be deadsheeped tomorrow

@pooky u owe me for the normal

didn't I save you in the normal on d1? lol

let's just call it even

In post 736, Vanderscamp wrote:

In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.

But this is still a terrible plan, we are giving the decision to a pool that contains a high % of scum that is disincentivized to bus.
It is about the best way to guarantee we miskill today, and the "information" we get from it will likely be that the people in the small pool were wrong about the town we just killed.

In post 739, Menalque wrote:

In post 727, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 723, Menalque wrote:

In post 715, Ydrasse wrote:why are you being so stubborn about being townread

no face is, also, town. soulread as town.

vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me

and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal

because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so far

Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess

vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here

No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct

Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy

okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?

Basically u

In post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the scum in the 3pool can't bus

In post 740, Menalque wrote:I deadsheeped u on fark and helped save skitter!

In post 731, Menalque wrote:

In post 721, Vanderscamp wrote:

In post 718, Menalque wrote:

In post 703, Vanderscamp wrote:

In post 689, Menalque wrote:Like literally explain to me why pooky is scum

Substantiate any actual reason for it based on his play so far

I think his case against no face is extremely weird, it just feels like a retaliation.
I don't understand why pooky thinks no face has to be scum for POEing pooky as scum and not town with an incorrect PoE. There was a comment in there that was something like "notice how no face is leaving himself out of his own suspect list" or something like that that I thought was very scummy.

I think pooky has done very little to try to solve the game, I think the only thing pooky has going for him is that he is imo blatantly not trying to look good, but this is also different from mystic bears in the coalition game where that slot was pretty obviously town.

Who cares? Like if pooky wanted to fabricate a case on no face to really push him as a mislim he’d prob just come up with actual solid reasons?

And pooky hardly ever does much to try and solve the game it’s why he’s an annoyingly difficult slot to solve, but that doesn’t actually make him scum, that’s just a feature of how he plays

If pooky is a player who doesn't solve games and frequently gives poor reasons for accusations, then sure, what you're saying is fair.

But I'm not reading someone giving bad reasons on a retaliated scum read as a reason to think they're town.

Yes, but he’s also decently accurate even if the stated reasoning isn’t there or is meh

And it’s not that I’m saying I have a locktown read on pooky

I’m saying this wagon is trash because there’s no reason to suspect pooky over multiple others in the 6p pool, and therefore the incredible ease with which he arrived at e-1 WITHOUT good reasons is a good reason to think now that he’s town

In post 743, Menalque wrote:

In post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the scum in the 3pool can't bus

This isn’t true and is a bad assumption and lends itself to gambiting

In post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 736, Vanderscamp wrote:

In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.

But this is still a terrible plan, we are giving the decision to a pool that contains a high % of scum that is disincentivized to bus.
It is about the best way to guarantee we miskill today, and the "information" we get from it will likely be that the people in the small pool were wrong about the town we just killed.

we don't actually have to follow the plan if we don't like the result at the end.

it's more to take advantage of the fact that the scum in the 3pool can't bus due to game constraints to generate information.