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In post 716, Datisi wrote:also, uh, you talk about "good scum wouldn't do that", and maybe (maybe!) that's true, but i haven't seen proof that either flubber or meg are exceptionally good at scum (no offense, i'm shit at scum too). so i don't see how that invalidates what i said?

and besides, literally all i said was "if the two leading wagons aren't voting each other, they're more likely to both be scum", why is this suddenly someting that "decent scum" doesn't do?

In post 683, Datisi wrote:okay so - re meg's 601

do you think alchemist is doing that in a scummy or townie way? why?

the explanation for aristeia feels off. you say how aristeia doesn't want to steer conversation in any given direction. then you note how scum *can* steer convos in a game, but then they would appear to have an agenda, and aristeia doesn't seem to have an agenda so she's town - but you just said that she's not steering the conversation? where would you expect that "agenda" to show up then?

*why* does my play come across as townie? like, what's making you sure that i'm town genuinely running around as opposed to scum looking to push through misyeets? especially considering you're currently my main target?

the luke/omega fight seems like a playstyle clash when you describe it that way, sure. but scum has a playstyle as well. so again, why is this t/t?

In post 718, Aristeia wrote:I don't see how your play from games where you are town would serve as a counterfactual for what I'm saying about scum!you's play in a game state where your scum partner is in imminent danger.

A proper counter-example would be scum!you replacing into a game where a partner is about to get eliminated on d1 with hammer intent already on the table and your slot having voted the player in question in an awkward way.

That's a fairly narrow condition set so I kind of doubt you would have a relevant example to cite.

I don't expect you to come up with a counter example, it would be unfair of me to put that burden on you.

I am simply laying out the relevant reasons for scum!you not to do a re-read but be forced to immediately enter thread and fight. I am doing this to counter your self!meta that scum!you would not come in cold.

In post 707, T3 wrote:

intent to haer meg

In post 723, Prism wrote:Question was about Meg, which I wanted you to rehash to me specifically even though at this point I've kind of shown my hand.

In post 725, MathBlade wrote:

In post 716, Datisi wrote:also, uh, you talk about "good scum wouldn't do that", and maybe (maybe!) that's true, but i haven't seen proof that either flubber or meg are exceptionally good at scum (no offense, i'm shit at scum too). so i don't see how that invalidates what i said?

and besides, literally all i said was "if the two leading wagons aren't voting each other, they're more likely to both be scum", why is this suddenly someting that "decent scum" doesn't do?

My point is that there’s no difference between bad scum and bad town for that tell.
You specifically mentioned the wagons acting awkwardly towards each other as part of the tell and not speaking about each other as well. That is not “all you said”. For something to be a “scum tell” it has to be accurate a good chunk of the time. At best that’s a “you should look here and see if that’s the case”. When something doesn’t differentiate between newb scum vs newb town, you’ve found a newbie, congrats?

Having been scum a lot, I tend to ask myself if a player is scum why would they do something. What benefit do they get long term? Flubber iirc is good scum (I don’t have time to find a game sorry) so I don’t see a naked vote on Meg as something Flubber does.

I guess just call it “player who gets scum all the time intuition”. I know it’s probably not satisfying but it’s the best I got as I will have to get ready for work soon.

In post 660, MathBlade wrote:

Spoiler: Sentences in player list order

(There are other reasons and I'm practically falling asleep as I'm writing this but I'm putting the reasons I think are safest for us)
T3 => Annoying, but probably town. I wish he'd quit being antitown, but probably town. Has some instances that separate him from Aristeia where he shows he's analyzing the game.
MegAzumarill => Scum lean. Her posting seems very surface level. She should be able to explain them more. Even her responses don't reference things in thread. They reference what she does as scum for one of them. In her developed response to Datisi she says "Your locking on to something and trying to pressure that person until you are convinced they are town ends up seeming towny. You give off the energy of trying to spot scum, and when you think you have, you don't let up until you either are convinced otherwise or find another person to pressure, and while I don't doubt it can be very effective, it does seem awfully prone to causing mislims. "

This is something you say to a scumread not a town one. But she says in a prior post
"tends to latch onto one thing about a player that they find suspicious and stick by it for long stretches, townread, "

I find this more common with scum than town so they don't have to vote. A good example of me doing this was the Calculasia game mentioned several times. "There has to be a scum in (big list of PRs claims)" but there wasn't. I used the fact the setup was completely townsided to my advantage. The only reason she's not as high up as someone like Chaos as she doesn't seem to have any defenders. This means it's very much either a newbie scum team (which in that case not to worry) or scum are very disconnected right now.

I also think if Meg is scum it's probably with Aristeia.

Overall I think if Meg is town then scum have control of the gamestate somewhere and I'd look for someone manipulating the game. With no champion for the Flubber/Prism wagon then to me its dead because if it's a scum bus then scum would want the credit and if it's led by a town player then if they thought Flubber would flip scum they'd go "Hell ya I'm the champion here's why Flubber flips scum". The only other person this could be is Umlaut at this point and there will be plenty of other ways to test him. The fact no one seems to vouch for the Flubber wagon hardly at all, means that Prism is probably town. I'm kinda at the point some fuckery is happening but I'm not sure where so I wanna flip some people to find it.

In post 728, MathBlade wrote:

In post 707, T3 wrote:

intent to haer meg

Can you for fuck’s sake stop threatening hammer or E-1 when I am trying to sort people? It’s pissing me off.

I have to head out for work now but just *glares*

In post 726, MegAzumarill wrote:But Ari has been contributing their own reads and thoughts into the game while making no effort to control the flow of the conversation at all. I don't think scum does that as it is almost impossible to distinguish it coming from a scum or a town.

In post 726, MegAzumarill wrote:If you are scum you would know I'd flip green and how that would look so I don't think you'd go like that at a town on day 1.

In post 726, MegAzumarill wrote:I think the Chaos/Luke is T/T because I don't really see anything coming off as scummy, and after rereading their interactions back and forth, Chaos response (which I am aware he got push for) felt more like a legitimate response from a town.

In post 142, MegAzumarill wrote:I feel the drama with flubber is being taken pretty harshly to what resulted from mostly RVS discussion.

VOTE: Titus

In post 329, MegAzumarill wrote:Titus is my RVS vote, I don't think they have done much either way yet. I don't see a reason to change it until I SR someone else.

In post 579, MegAzumarill wrote:Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread