pseudoAristotle/StrangeMatter:
plus townie points, seems genuine enough and looks like a townie who didnt know wtf they were doing and thought that was genuinely what they should do. scum acting is always an option but typically in newbie games its safe to read these kinds of posts as townie
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the goofy behavior here plus their actual reasoning behind it (only scum should know who scum was at that point) is pretty green, shows a lot of the thought process that went into it
55
probably one of, if not the towniest vote on my past wagon, they didnt sheep thynhith and had their own unique reasoning behind it which i think towntells them pretty heavily not to mention the carefulness in
94 is also townie
onto strange. a side note on their overall behavior is that the crux of their content seems to be them trying to steer town onto the right track and they seem genuinely frustrated at some points. youll see it later in this post, but im flip flopping on how i should read it as it could just be scum taking advantage of easy content however on the other hand it's a lot more rewarding for mafia to let town implode rather than using the easy content farm as we only have 3 eliminations, not to mention them consistently behaving this way being townie as well
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speaking like greeting has to be town with val in this situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth as if strange knows theyre both town here and uses advising them as easy content not to mention they took a very neutral stance on the potential alignment of both of them in
385 which i find strange, however i dont think this is enough to snuff my prior townread on them, just something to keep an eye on in the future maybe
400
i really like the tone here, thats all, just seems genuine and i like the progression
419
actively trying to prevent not so useful discussion, a good look
626 feels kind of rough with the weird shade, sussing implosion is perfectly normal but the problem i have with their post is when they end it with "its gut and completely unfounded," it makes the entire section of that post feel redundant and unnecessary thus coming across faked to me
672 its the subtle things in this post that matter, the statement "if i think they are town" implies stranges reads are very much malleable and up to change, it seems they subconsciously said this too which makes this come across as all the more genuine
707 big mindmeld, which gives me the inclinations to just gutread this post as town
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looking through this argument again with a more critical eye makes me like this a lot less
val comes out swinging from replacing an inactive slot (as if he had to compensate for his old slots inactivity), and takes a very holier-than-thou approach towards combatting me and greeting in his argument as if he was the antithesis of town play. a personal tell of mine that i use is that unfounded arrogance is more than likely a wolf, as it inflates the players argument and portrays the illusion that they're more confident in their argument than they are in reality, in general this just doesnt look good
as a side note i find it incredibly strange they just sort of stop focusing on their greeting sus and just shift onto other players
i attempted at many occasions (
161,
261,
281,
288,
301) to reach across the aisle and convey my opinions in a potentially better way but it took a while for them to actually meet me in the middle and discuss this normally which makes me believe their goal was not solving but chaos
157
disagreements not allowed
i mentioned this at the beginning of the day but
221 looked like val was just setting himself up for failure, thynhith flips town and then he can absolve himself of all sin and guilt by acting like it was an accident and then immediately pushing me. later on down the line he still scumreads me but puts me on the backburner
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when other people start weighing in on val's motive to do what he did as town or scum, i believe his reactions to them are townie
his habit to attack those who disagree with him on his greeting read portrays himself to be an arrogant townie rather than scum, conflicting with what i said earlier
nevertheless i like the tone and attitude
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even though this posts goal was to call out greetings analysis on inactivity for being wrong it feels a bit in-your-face, "you think that guy is scum? yeah? well what about
these
guys?"
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while these posts sort of annoy me for how condescending they are LOL i think it looks townie, for someone i said to have looked like he was pursuing this argument with the goal of chaos in mind, the frustration looks especially genuine
319
this is when val starts to have a genuine mindset towards solving, while i dont have a read to gleam out this post in specific i think its worth noting that prior to this he was generally combative and his reads on all players seemed centered on the greeting/me/him fiasco
546
(off topic) unlike you ive learned from the advice of my betters not to treat my reads like they are absolute fact, at the time i was thinking that if catboi could actually be town these votes are doing more harm than good, and i didnt want to give scum!catboi too much freedom so i clarified i still scumread him
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mafia when they see a town member imploding generally want to stir the fire rather than solve them, this is what val is doing by making these concise posts to incite catboi, he isnt putting an effort in to actually solve catboi and he looks pretty opportunistic here
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frog is a bit of a tough nut to crack, many of their posts are hard to gleam something alignment indicative out of so at times i almost force something ai out of them. some people would argue that it makes them scummy but im just gonna take it at face value and call it like it is, nai. their day 1 as a whole is pretty awful but i think they picked it up a lot today. im not the type of player to omgus but their scumread on me just seems forced, they keep shoehorning in the fact that they scumread me and yet they exert no effort into pushing me which is pretty whack
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the general opinion at the time was that me calling greeting/pseudo/igor town was wolfy however frogs took a more unique approach towards the subject, agreeing that the pseudo/igor interaction could be interpreted as AI but agreed that what i said on greeting is questionable and premature
the takeaway i have here is that frogs wasnt afraid to stick their neck out and go against the town with what they believed. its a pretty brave stance in my opinion for newb scum to have, of course theres a world where scum!frogs sees me as a bad SE and easy pocket attempt but their stance on me has progressed into a more negative read so i doubt that's it
106 is a bunch of fluff to make it
seem
like they're explaining their igor vote but nothing there really justifies their stance on him and it makes this post come across weird, the follow up in
154 is okay i guess but it doesnt clear away any of the sketchy shit that could be drawn from the earlier post which still leaves a bad taste in my mouth
In post 153, frogsfrogs wrote:I don't know how to comment on this argument,
nor should I
, but I think I'm reading both Val and Greeting as very town from it.
bolded makes me think guttown, admittedly a lot of the nonsense that me/val/greeting went through was something that shouldnt be enlarged more than it already had been, and directly avoiding commenting on it but still giving the reads they got from it is townie
359
another player that looks like they were almost expecting a mislim even though they were on of the main supporters of thyns wagon, as if they were setting themselves up to easily hunt in the ones who were on his wagon, could be my own misinterpretation though
403 and
405 look very genuine, them criticizing greeting for borderline pr hunting seems to be coming from a townies perspective and i like the attitude
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ill see whether or not they do so later on in their iso but id really love a more in-depth readslist from them here as i feel itd do wonders to help sort them, as a side note there is nothing wrong with the aforementioned post as they gave implosion the 'general overview' that they asked for.
looking at the progression between
424 and
444, it seems theyre genuinely confused and frustrated over how igors claim has completely spiraled the towns discussion, avoiding getting their hands dirty and making premature reads (looking at you catboi) before the whole igor nonsense finished is a townie mindset
458
id argue that in a newbie game this could be seen as a derpclear, scum!frogs knows that an alive igor is likely roleblocked no matter what, unless the hypothetical jailkeeper roleblocks mafia and i think this towntells them to some degree
492
scum here would try and rile up catboi further and have him dig a deeper hole, frogs does the opposite of that and genuinely sits down with him to try and rationalize what hes saying
578
weird e-1 shenanigans, blegh
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response to catboi looks decent, nothing incredible but still decent
find it a bit weird to actively defend yourself (to this extent) to the one you sus but w/e
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meh reaction
gives the attitude of "hey guys look im suspecting this just like you are, im townie right? haha"
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the beginning of their 2 day long push on igor is absolutely horrid, they lock igor as scum and as you can see on their section for me they even sort players based on that read
all around their push on igor is bizarre and i think he put it best himself
"I think it’s scumplay and its goal is to be brushed off as incompetence."
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looks very bad considering he still tunnels igor
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in hindsight this looks like iioa (information instead of analysis), which is when mafia will make random posts about mechanics in order to look like theyre doing something because they struggle with faking reads, and the fact that val pushed this for its apparent antitownieness rather than this still doesnt sit right with me
204
i said it earlier but this just looks like a bluff to keep pressure from building on himself and it seemingly worked, considering people started townreading greeting mainly after this to my recollection.
in no way would we ever test him and he knew this
234
i might be getting myself wrapped up in confbias but the way this appears to me is greeting trying to dial down the theatre with val and look for a reason to agree with him
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greeting, like val, seemingly forgot he ever pushed and scumread val and officially got started on his nonsensical igorsprite push
i dont know if ive said it before but its as if igor was meant to die at night and was saved, so scum!greeting uses the opportunity that arose from igor digging himself a hole to try and get a lucky igor elimination
i dont buy the whole townie stubborn tunneling bs either, and i think thats just a ruse
remember, "I think it’s scumplay and its goal is to be brushed off as incompetence."
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still shoving this belief that he absolutely would have hammered there down our throats like its a confirmed fact
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after looking through his iso i realize greeting sort of shifted bases here. at first he, not catboi, was the one who brought up the fact that there are setups where a tracker fakeclaim could be "confirmed," yet here he completely forgot that line of thought and went with some nonsense about pr listening to what he said and not ccing
701
lots of fluff only to say catboi is emotional and makes deep posts lol
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no
literally no
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tl;dr on early day 1 implosion is he takes a sort of third party stance on a lot of this
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i think this portrays a real solving intent and it definitely looks green to me, this read sort of tanks a
little
when their reads
131 are a little mediocre but the point still stands
181
implosion has consistently made his thought process clear and i like that about his posts
post
182 sort of narrows down potential targets for scum!implosion and it would make it really hard for him to create another scumread in the future when he nonchalantly clears multiple players like this and since he hasn't reneged on these very much it makes me think this is townie
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eod seemed very fixated on thyn but never committed to the wagon which looks really fuckin weird as if he saw the wagon was going bad
the progression in
438,
439, and
465 looks very artificial.
argument with catboi
this seems like tvt from both sides, while it was rough at times they both seemed like they were genuinely trying to work out how the other thought.
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im gonna be lazy and not make igor analysis by saying i trust the uncc'ed tracker claim, sue me