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[Roden]

Who in this playerlist would be able to quickhammer and explain it away as towny?

Townies do it all the time, I don't know why you think this isn't possible. I just came from a game where town!Math quick hammered a scum read Day 1 before we got a claim. They flipped town JOAT. It's really that uncommon, especially when confbias is involved.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm 100% confident Roden doesn't "swoop in" to defend me like that as scum, there wouldn't be a need to

actually why tho

because I'm town and at E-1, what on earth does scum Roden gain from pushing so hard against the wagon that he attracts attention/votes instead? I'm useful to keep around scum should want me gone

I get that it will look different to someone who doesn't know my alignment but I give exactly 0% chance Roden had any scum agenda to what he posted. The better question is why do you think it's a scum-indicative action?

I think it's scum indicative

how

he went about defending you. It felt like he had too much skin in the game there. The only feasible explanation I could see for town!Roden to have felt that way would be if he had a tangible townread on you before the E-1.

Is there motivation for scum!Roden to make that defense for town!GL?

Yea
Pocketing GL, as well as turning things onto me

???

What? How could I have possibly planned for you doing anything that you did?

didn't you only really start defending GL when I put him at E-1?

[DkKoba]

Who in this playerlist would be able to quickhammer and explain it away as towny?

Townies do it all the time, I don't know why you think this isn't possible. I just came from a game where town!Math quick hammered a scum read Day 1 before we got a claim. They flipped town JOAT. It's really that uncommon, especially when confbias is involved.

ok you say "townies do it"

but identify a single player here who would.

i see 0.

[DkKoba]

I feel like i must have like 2 tiers of understanding higher of how the players here play and its like blatantly obvious to me who would do certain things

[DkKoba]

Roden, townreading me wont placate me. Explain your progression on GL and why you reached such a confident townread

Only when you stop hiding your Dwlee progression in your hood

u see i dont care to bc no one is voting me rn so pee pee poo poo.

[Roden]

I'm 100% confident Roden doesn't "swoop in" to defend me like that as scum, there wouldn't be a need to

actually why tho

because I'm town and at E-1, what on earth does scum Roden gain from pushing so hard against the wagon that he attracts attention/votes instead? I'm useful to keep around scum should want me gone

I get that it will look different to someone who doesn't know my alignment but I give exactly 0% chance Roden had any scum agenda to what he posted. The better question is why do you think it's a scum-indicative action?

I think it's scum indicative

how

he went about defending you. It felt like he had too much skin in the game there. The only feasible explanation I could see for town!Roden to have felt that way would be if he had a tangible townread on you before the E-1.

Is there motivation for scum!Roden to make that defense for town!GL?

Yea
Pocketing GL, as well as turning things onto me

???

What? How could I have possibly planned for you doing anything that you did?

didn't you only really start defending GL when I put him at E-1?

I'm not arguing that. You're claiming I did it to turn things around on you. I'm asking how it's possible that I could've planned for you to take the actions you took in order for me to do so. I never scum read you for putting GL at E-1 so you can't even accuse me of trying to pivot his wagon momentum onto you, since my scum read on you happened around the time the wagon began to ease up.

[DkKoba]

for the 37th time why is GL town to you, please cite your progression on the slot.

[Roden]

Who in this playerlist would be able to quickhammer and explain it away as towny?

Townies do it all the time, I don't know why you think this isn't possible. I just came from a game where town!Math quick hammered a scum read Day 1 before we got a claim. They flipped town JOAT. It's really that uncommon, especially when confbias is involved.

ok you say "townies do it"

but identify a single player here who would.

i see 0.

Literally anyone could. If you didn't think it was possible, you wouldn't have said you'd unvote if someone made an intent to hammer.

[ShadowGirl]

1) I dont care about claims generally, people will back me up on this. I have caught scum by blasting through claims. they mean nothing to me day 1 in a closed setup.
2) I am past this point and im back to about rand chance of traitor. This primairly was due to my scumread on dwlee at the start of the game.
3) That is between dwlee and I in our hood

I noted you barely gave any concrete alignment reads on me however - what is your feeling on my alignment?

My read on you is probably null to scum, based on the overwhelming amount of early traitor talk (just light bad vibes of trying to signal the traitor), the bait for a quickhammer, and now refusing to give your read on Dwlee as that can go either way of either wanting to buddy up to them by not scumreading them (as starting off the game with going aggressive on them leaves them trying to mend things with you) or to be able to push them as a vote if the wind swings that way rather than having to give an answer of townie read and then course correct, and also combined with totally shutting down the talk of potential scum in the neighbhourhoods, which I agree shouldn't be the sole basis for an elimination but I think it is something that is plausible, but you won't even consider it? The potential null is due to the fact that I don't know you and that this just might be how you always act and that we have different views on certain gameplay elements (mechplay, quickhammering, etcera).

atm i'm leaning dwlee/NK15 both being scum.

More about your dynamic with Dwlee with ref of a past post: At this point you had your vote on HEM rather than either of those - particular Dwlee who seemed was like your top scumread at that point. Your dynamic with Dwlee just seems like a very much a 'wanting it both ways and seeing what pans out most advantageous'. Or is there a town-benefiting reason that you have for not giving your read on Dwlee? Because to me I'm not seeing what the overall town benefit is.

[Roden]

Roden, townreading me wont placate me. Explain your progression on GL and why you reached such a confident townread

Only when you stop hiding your Dwlee progression in your hood

u see i dont care to bc no one is voting me rn so pee pee poo poo.

Anti-town but ok.

for the 37th time why is GL town to you, please cite your progression on the slot.

The funny thing is that I actually answered this twice now but you keep ignoring it. But I'm not expecting anything less from someone purposely choosing to play against the town wincon.

[DkKoba]

1) I dont care about claims generally, people will back me up on this. I have caught scum by blasting through claims. they mean nothing to me day 1 in a closed setup.
2) I am past this point and im back to about rand chance of traitor. This primairly was due to my scumread on dwlee at the start of the game.
3) That is between dwlee and I in our hood

I noted you barely gave any concrete alignment reads on me however - what is your feeling on my alignment?

My read on you is probably null to scum, based on the overwhelming amount of early traitor talk (just light bad vibes of trying to signal the traitor), the bait for a quickhammer, and now refusing to give your read on Dwlee as that can go either way of either wanting to buddy up to them by not scumreading them (as starting off the game with going aggressive on them leaves them trying to mend things with you) or to be able to push them as a vote if the wind swings that way rather than having to give an answer of townie read and then course correct, and also combined with totally shutting down the talk of potential scum in the neighbhourhoods, which I agree shouldn't be the sole basis for an elimination but I think it is something that is plausible, but you won't even consider it? The potential null is due to the fact that I don't know you and that this just might be how you always act and that we have different views on certain gameplay elements (mechplay, quickhammering, etcera).

atm i'm leaning dwlee/NK15 both being scum.

More about your dynamic with Dwlee with ref of a past post: At this point you had your vote on HEM rather than either of those - particular Dwlee who seemed was like your top scumread at that point. Your dynamic with Dwlee just seems like a very much a 'wanting it both ways and seeing what pans out most advantageous'. Or is there a town-benefiting reason that you have for not giving your read on Dwlee? Because to me I'm not seeing what the overall town benefit is.

classic boomer mindset

u can go into the town pile for now

im also prob not going to see eye to eye to you because i treat the game differently than boomer players and never agree.

[Not Known 15]

Who in this playerlist would be able to quickhammer and explain it away as towny?

Townies do it all the time, I don't know why you think this isn't possible. I just came from a game where town!Math quick hammered a scum read Day 1 before we got a claim. They flipped town JOAT. It's really that uncommon, especially when confbias is involved.

ok you say "townies do it"

but identify a single player here who would.

i see 0.

Literally anyone could. If you didn't think it was possible, you wouldn't have said you'd unvote if someone made an intent to hammer.

Indeed. Good catch.
That's a big inconsistency.
Looks like I have been on the wrong track!
VOTE: DkKoba

[DkKoba]

Roden, townreading me wont placate me. Explain your progression on GL and why you reached such a confident townread

Only when you stop hiding your Dwlee progression in your hood

u see i dont care to bc no one is voting me rn so pee pee poo poo.

Anti-town but ok.

for the 37th time why is GL town to you, please cite your progression on the slot.

The funny thing is that I actually answered this twice now but you keep ignoring it. But I'm not expecting anything less from someone purposely choosing to play against the town wincon.

i think voting scum is pro-town wincon tho ?



also i missed it then, can you requote it to put focus on it for me?

[DkKoba]

Who in this playerlist would be able to quickhammer and explain it away as towny?

Townies do it all the time, I don't know why you think this isn't possible. I just came from a game where town!Math quick hammered a scum read Day 1 before we got a claim. They flipped town JOAT. It's really that uncommon, especially when confbias is involved.

ok you say "townies do it"

but identify a single player here who would.

i see 0.

Literally anyone could. If you didn't think it was possible, you wouldn't have said you'd unvote if someone made an intent to hammer.

Indeed. Good catch.
That's a big inconsistency.
Looks like I have been on the wrong track!
VOTE: DkKoba

whats the inconsistency? Who here quickhammers when town?

[DkKoba]

If someone made intent to hammer i would unvote because I didnt want to end the day yet - intent =/= quickhammer u noob

[DkKoba]

ngl i wish people spent more time actually reading what i say rather than assuming things, as it would make it easier for me

[Not Known 15]

If someone made intent to hammer i would unvote because I didnt want to end the day yet - intent =/= quickhammer u noob

Whoops. Remembered that one wrongly. Sorry.
VOTE: Guilty Lion

[Roden]

ngl i wish people spent more time actually reading what i say rather than assuming things, as it would make it easier for me

Please take your own advice

[Roden]

Roden, townreading me wont placate me. Explain your progression on GL and why you reached such a confident townread

Only when you stop hiding your Dwlee progression in your hood

u see i dont care to bc no one is voting me rn so pee pee poo poo.

Anti-town but ok.

for the 37th time why is GL town to you, please cite your progression on the slot.

The funny thing is that I actually answered this twice now but you keep ignoring it. But I'm not expecting anything less from someone purposely choosing to play against the town wincon.

i think voting scum is pro-town wincon tho ?



also i missed it then, can you requote it to put focus on it for me?

Refusing to elaborate on your reads is anti town.

I'll requote when you start giving the reads people have been asking for.

[DkKoba]

ok well so u cant use it against me i will say that dwlee has started to be solvy in hood and talking to me in a way that isnt pockety as well as expressing reasonable paranoia and thats why i shifted my read on them silently.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ChaosOmega
yolo sort by post count

[DkKoba]

(also so they post moar, i have them as a townlean but not quite the towniness I've felt in games with him yet)

[NorwegianboyEE]

[3] ChaosOmega: tictac, Meuh, DkKoba
[2] GuiltyLion: humaneatingmonkey, Not Known 15
[2] Meuh: marcistar, GuiltyLion
[2] humaneatingmonkey: Dwlee99, Roden
[1] Roden: Gamma Emerald
[1] Gamma Emerald: ChaosOmega

[1] Not voting: ShadowGirl

With 12 players alive, 7 votes are needed for an elimination.

D1: deadline: (expired on 2022-03-29 21:32:48)

[DkKoba]

the more i think about it

i am struggling to see worlds with chaos as scum?

but also i want them to receive pressure.

maybe the weird way im voting them might make for interesting reactions :3

PODRACING

[Roden]

ok well so u cant use it against me i will say that dwlee has started to be solvy in hood and talking to me in a way that isnt pockety as well as expressing reasonable paranoia and thats why i shifted my read on them silently.

Also I'm not really feeling the votes on Meuh right now. Is it possible they're scum defending townies for town cred? Sure. But I don't think that should be the first assumption, and even more I really don't think they should be today's priority.

Also also, NK15 is giving me "yelling into the void" vibes, I feel like no one's paying much attention to them despite their bold claims. Game state makes me think they're town for it though.

So why do you townread GL?

Wtf is this garbage wagon? Is there any particular reason you guys want to vote out the only person keeping the game alive? Like do none of you see that the further this wagon builds the more quiet this game gets? Game state alone shows that this is a wagon on town and that scum are just waiting for town to hammer for an easy Day 1.

@HEM:

Why did you get so aggressive and angry with GL when they essentially made the same read on you as I did? You ignored my read and vote and instead mauled GL for it even though they explained the read in much more detail than I had.

why are you suddenly hard defending them?

Because GL is obvtown and the game state wouldn't be this dead if town caught scum

Because I made the exact same read as GL and wasn't even questioned about it

Because I've been lurky this game and no one, not even the people getting run up, are pointing it out