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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:45 pm
by SCRRRDBEAR
In post 366, Dannflor wrote:is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know
I GUESS WE CAN'T SAY. I THINK I ASSUMED 1-1-1-1 BECAUSE OF REPRESENTATION HEURISTIC/DISTRIBUTION BIAS, SO ON THOSE GROUNDS I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S AN IDEA MORE LIKELY TO COME FROM TOWN, BECAUSE IT'S A MISTAKE THAT'S LIKELY TO OCCUR ORGANICALLY. HOWEVER, I WOULDN'T PUT A LOT OF STAKE INTO THAT WITHOUT THE CONTEXT OF WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE ISO OF THE PLAYER WHO SAID IT.
In post 722, catboi wrote:Why did you choose the most NAI post imaginable from mastina to quote with a vote?
BECAUSE I INFERRED IT MEANS MASTINA IS AFRAID OF HOW SHE WILL BE JUDGED IN THE THREAD, SO SHE'S PROMISING MORE ACTIVITY LATER. I GUESS IT COULD BE NAI BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A SOLID LEAD CONSIDERING IT'S STILL RELATIVELY EARLY ON D1. DO YOU TRUST MASTINA?

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:00 pm
by Mistyx
In post 723, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 605, Mistyx wrote:i avoid reading into emotional posts on personal policy so i don't think you're going to move me with that

i've been trying to get norwee to engage with me on multiple occasions and he's ignored me so i doubt i'm moving my vote until he acknowledges my questions towards him
Your questions aren’t going to solve me or change your mind. So why should i bother answering them.
you’re not giving me a chance to try!

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:13 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
Yes Datisi, i posted a lot of content in Windclan.
For not-Datisi eyes only hehehe.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:19 pm
by Bell
Shiro
Shidaji
KittyTacky.

More posts please and thank you.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:30 pm
by NorwegianboyEE
VOTE: Marashu

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:32 pm
by catboi
In post 725, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
In post 722, catboi wrote:Why did you choose the most NAI post imaginable from mastina to quote with a vote?
BECAUSE I INFERRED IT MEANS MASTINA IS AFRAID OF HOW SHE WILL BE JUDGED IN THE THREAD, SO SHE'S PROMISING MORE ACTIVITY LATER. I GUESS IT COULD BE NAI BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A SOLID LEAD CONSIDERING IT'S STILL RELATIVELY EARLY ON D1. DO YOU TRUST MASTINA?
Okay you're an alt so I don't know if you've played with mastina but she literally always ends up behind in games and writing massive catchups that take her a ton of time so it is usually a while before she gets current with the thread. Saying that stuff about promising content later is a nulltell for her. My read rate on mastina is not very good but I think she's been fairly towny so far.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:34 pm
by SCRRRDBEAR
In post 730, catboi wrote:
In post 725, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
In post 722, catboi wrote:Why did you choose the most NAI post imaginable from mastina to quote with a vote?
BECAUSE I INFERRED IT MEANS MASTINA IS AFRAID OF HOW SHE WILL BE JUDGED IN THE THREAD, SO SHE'S PROMISING MORE ACTIVITY LATER. I GUESS IT COULD BE NAI BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A SOLID LEAD CONSIDERING IT'S STILL RELATIVELY EARLY ON D1. DO YOU TRUST MASTINA?
Okay you're an alt so I don't know if you've played with mastina but she literally always ends up behind in games and writing massive catchups that take her a ton of time so it is usually a while before she gets current with the thread. Saying that stuff about promising content later is a nulltell for her. My read rate on mastina is not very good but I think she's been fairly towny so far.
NOTED.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:58 pm
by Cephrir
In post 713, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 709, Bell wrote:Why so?

I'm here and paying attention, just trying to formulate an opinion based on the posts made.
While waiting for more from certain low post players.
Consider my Datisi read slightly blunted.
I can't really read Alisae.
I can't read Titus. They've kind of been like this since the last 3-5 games I've played with them. Where the activity and content is so erratic and sort of unrelated to anything that I can't make sense of what their actual trajectory is.

I'm still sitting on Norwe, because I don't think that me feeling bad if they get eliminated early if they're town is an actual reason not to kill them. It's frustrating tho.
you seem to be either intentionally limiting the thoughts you share or just not really having them in a way that seems more like scum you

your posts feel like they're being made out of obligation rather than natural thought. especially feels way more like turing test bell than town bell

im not like too pressed about sorting you immediately tho so
i find myself agreeing with this
In post 722, catboi wrote:
In post 518, Mistyx wrote:well there goes my plan to fakeclaim leader and draw a kill that would've been awesome
I kind of have trouble believing this was a real thought you actually had
pretty sure it was a joke

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:43 pm
by Bell
I don’t understand Alisse well, but currently. I’m neutral to lean town on them, I think.
Their engagement style conflicts with what I think scum would do. But I can’t quite articulate why.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:45 pm
by Bell
I really don’t agree with person rewrites posts a few times and decides to be concise and is therefore scum.
I would have accepted Bell wasn’t posting with an internal timer which led to the change. But the reasoning just doesn’t reach the truth in this case.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:03 pm
by SCRRRDBEAR
In post 734, Bell wrote:I really don’t agree with person rewrites posts a few times and decides to be concise and is therefore scum.
I would have accepted Bell wasn’t posting with an internal timer which led to the change. But the reasoning just doesn’t reach the truth in this case.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MARASHU?

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:19 pm
by Bell
I’m talking about me and cephrir and Fire’s interpretation of some of my posts.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:23 pm
by SCRRRDBEAR
In post 736, Bell wrote:I’m talking about me and cephrir and Fire’s interpretation of some of my posts.
IF I FEEL LIKE MARASHU IS COMING OFF THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IN DO YOU THINK I SHOULD NULL READ THEM OR TOWN READ THEM?

I READ YOU AS NULL IF THAT HELPS ANY.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:50 pm
by Bell
I just iso’d all of Marashu’s posts and they look fine except for one aspect that is off but it has been a year since they played. They used to be more in-depth with their analysis, where here they refer to thinking rather than actually thinking out loud. But it’s early.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:59 pm
by SCRRRDBEAR
In post 738, Bell wrote:I just iso’d all of Marashu’s posts and they look fine except for one aspect that is off but it has been a year since they played. They used to be more in-depth with their analysis, where here they refer to thinking rather than actually thinking out loud. But it’s early.
THAT'S TWO BAD SIGNS IN ONE BECAUSE IF THEY JUST TOOK A YEAR OFF THAT MEANS THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET SCUM FROZEN BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ROLLED SCUM IN A YEAR, AND YOU'RE ALSO SUGGESTING THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A POLARIZED GAME AS SCUM FOR THE SAME REASON. MY INTERACTIONS WITH MARASHU INDICATE THEIR PLAYSTYLE IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THIS GAME FROM WHAT YOU REMEMBER THEM BEING LIKE AS TOWN.

FMPOV AS SOMEONE WHO HASN'T PLAYED WITH MARASHU BEFORE, THEY DO OBJECTIVELY SEEM A TAD LIKE A DARK ONE AND NOT SIMILAR TO THE PLAYER YOU'RE DESCRIBING AT ALL.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:09 pm
by SCRRRDBEAR
In post 652, Datisi wrote:marashu like. i'm sheeping catboi here, sue me, but i vibe with the idea that the fixation on me/bell is fake. i'm fine... leaving this for now and seeing what he does today and how he answers suspicion, but yeah uh not a fan
In post 693, Marashu wrote:
In post 692, Mistyx wrote:
In post 686, Marashu wrote:mastina's case on Alisae/Norwee is very compelling. I feel like her arguments on Alisae are stronger so it's interesting that she's more sure on Norwee. VOTE: Norwee
so given this, why are you voting norwee and not alisae, if you think the case on ali is stronger?
Because that's where the pressure is currently, and if they're both scum then does the order matter?
MARASHU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DATISI'S READ ON YOU AS A DARK ONE?

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:34 pm
by KittyTacky
In post 599, catboi wrote:VOTE: kittytacky
In post 600, catboi wrote:I've had a long day at work and haven't had time to read the whole thread properly but that kittytacky post is the worst I've seen in this game by quite a bit.
In post 607, catboi wrote:
In post 603, Alisae wrote:
In post 600, catboi wrote:I've had a long day at work and haven't had time to read the whole thread properly but that kittytacky post is the worst I've seen in this game by quite a bit.
the worst? how so?
its a bunch of quote stripes followed by one-liners with no thought put into them, half of them don't even say anything important, and he ends it with a really obviously opportunistic vote on half baked reasoning - just "I'm convinced" and absolutely nothing more which doesn't feel like he had real thoughts about norwee's alignment at all

It's about the most classically newbscum post you'll ever see
If you ever played with me, that's how I play as town lol. Lots of one-liners. I'm struggling to adapt to this post restriction. And if I legit had nothing to add to a case I agreed with, what would I say besides "I agree"? Sheeping is not scummy.
In post 621, fireisredsir wrote:i like catboi's posting on this page quite a bit more than previous stuff which is a nice surprise. not enough to lean town yet but im less worried there i think

kitty doesn't feel scummy in quite the same way that he felt scummy when i played with him when he was scum but he still feels kinda scummy so sure

VOTE: kittytacky
Yes because this is my fucking town playstyle and now I'm being wagoned by someone who never played with me. I legit had nothing to add to the case, why on Earth would I say something else?

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:35 pm
by KittyTacky
Well at least now I will have the will to be more active, I'm always jolted more into the game when I'm under pressure.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:37 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 654, Val89 wrote:
In post 644, mastina wrote:{Norwee, Alisae, Something_Smart, Titus, KittyTacky} (default team of five) feels a bit too easy to be the right solve.
This is also an issue for me. I asked for confirmation that was a claim of KittyTacky's membership in Windclan and not a mistake since they still haven't posted there, and was told by Norwee is was the most unnecessary question ever, but if that is confirmed, and KT is scum, that means Windclan is both a 6 player clan and one that is absolutely stuffed with Dark Forest cats.

I understand that is a possibility given the nature of random assignment, but I do wonder if that was the case if they would have chosen to play this the way they did.
I feel like this is town

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:38 pm
by KittyTacky
In post 647, Datisi wrote:
In post 623, catboi wrote:Like, do you think you're out of scum range right now? Because so far I think you're in the middle of both your ranges.
no, no i don't think so. though, out of curiosity - if i had answered "yes, i do think i'm outside my scumrange here", then what would you do?

ftr, my poke towards you wasn't meant as a "catboi *should* have a read on me by now," it was a "i hoped he'd have a read on me by now, as that will potentially help me read him."

anyway, i like the reasoning for kittytacky being scum. upon my skim, i skipped that post because big post, but when i got back to it... it really did not say anything, huh. and the fact that he took the time to photoshop my avatar onto a clam (and photoshop it kind of *well*, considering the white pixels are barely visible), rather than, you know, do things in the game... yeah. it kind of reminds me of that one thing i did in smuggler's, where i also tried to be funny by posting an image instead of like, y'know, doing things. also, screw you for making me remember that game.

VOTE: kittytacky

after i eat, will get to isoing people to try to make sense of my weaker reads, and actually give reason for my stronger ones. interested in why mastina's so certain she's not misreading me here (despite fire specifically saying her reasoning is flawed - which i do agree with).
I did it because I had paint.net already open and thought, why not. As for why I'm not doing a whole lot, what can I even do when there's a case, or rather two cases, that I agree with the reasoning of? Legit question. If I have nothing to say, I say nothing instead of posting (even more) filler or made-up extra reasoning, because that's even scummier.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:39 pm
by KittyTacky
I'm legit trying but it's hard. I also never played a large theme before.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:43 pm
by KittyTacky
Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:45 pm
by Mistyx
In post 746, KittyTacky wrote:Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.
can you elaborate on that townread?

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:48 pm
by KittyTacky
In post 747, Mistyx wrote:
In post 746, KittyTacky wrote:Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.
can you elaborate on that townread?
I read through his walls and imo the reasoning within them is uninformed rather than informed and bent towards a conclusion he already knows.

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:50 pm
by KittyTacky
But yeah, finally I feel engaged now that I have something to do other than ask people questions (that often get ignored) and sheep a case.