Explosiva Mafia - GAME OVER

[TDC]

You are restricting our choices without considering future events.

Can you elaborate? A normal deadline ends with someone being dead. This deadline ends with several people being in the running to die.

[killa seven]

I'm now convinced K7 needs to die now/soon.

Thats the spirit.

[M4yhem]

if you think im scum blow me up, if you think im just unhelpfull but town, then thats not really good town play.

True, but a little hypocritical. You could be more helpful yourself. If you asked more questions, showed more interest in scumhunting and made fewer jokes about wanting to be blown up, people wouldn't be so eager to kill you.

I know this isn't the game you thought it would be but you signed up, so try and play properly.

I'm now convinced K7 needs to die now/soon.

Why?

The only problem I have with TDC's deadline is it's too long.

[armlx]

Can you elaborate? A normal deadline ends with someone being dead. This deadline ends with several people being in the running to die.

In a normal deadline, everyone is still a candidate the entire time.

Why?

Notice who has been chosen as bomb carriers.

[M4yhem]

*Trys to notice...
fails, horribly.*

We have DGB, a medium to high rate of posting player who is known for her implusiveness and not so much the analysis...

We have TDC, a player who doesn't post much but does provide fairly good content when he appears, with reasonable analysis.

I don't get it. Enlighten me, Master Armlx.

[Battousai]

The thing is, I take asking to be blown up as not being a joke and used by people who want out of a game they don't have time for or getting into it. I really don't see anything wrong with it. Also M4yhem, if townies stop doing it, then there would be no reason to blow them up. I really don't see trying to stop people from acting anti-town is bad.

Armlx: please, I was just clarifying what I said. In my original post, I even said it was similar to lynch all lurkers.

To answer your question crazy, the answer is yes. Because then I would think that he is just joking, but not contributing, hardly posting makes me think that he's serious when he says it (see first post on seriousness).

[PokerFace]

Ok I'm here, reading pages 1-21 and posting, will get to rest later. Consider it a general work in progress kinda thing.

Ok let's look at the player list here... WHAT! BM is in this game. What the hell was I thinking when I signed up? Ok so who's got bomb on day 1, DGB. That loonie will blow up fast... what a sec its only day 2 now. DGB didn't blow up for 20+ pages? Either BM went post crazy (That wouldn't surprise me) or DGB actually learned some restraint, but then I suppose the game is actually funnier with her actually stickin around for awhile.

Well enough jokes, Let's get serious.

I don't have to worry about dieing in this game, cause I'm bulletproof

I think the scum gave the bomb to DGB randomly, and probably for giggles.

Ya, I just looked at the townie role pm and it says you blow yourself up as well.

I thought there were only townies versus scum considering the opening and signup rules. Something is wrong here.

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Right, when did this game begin . I don't think most people haven't realised the game has started lol.

Anyway, DGB *cries* How could you leave us? I blame your play-style.

I have a question to people, why do you think they've gone with DGB, have they gone with someone who is too good to live or with someone who will avoid killing them? *Confuzzled*

Bringing up such comments again feel off since they were discussed

I'm doing it for serious, because this is such an experimental game I'm trying to get a feeling for the opposition, if we find out how they picked their first player we may be able to form a good idea of the Meta used in this game

That'll be different, though. The Day 1 bomb pick is based on nothing but meta. The following ones would have to have something to do with game information, i.e. who's unlikely to get lynched and who's unlikely to pick scum.

Anyway, DGB *cries* How could you leave us? I blame your play-style.

Trying to distance yourself from the night-kill?

Vote: Max

Voting is good. Just because they have no purpose in game mechanics doesn't mean they're useless. We can just use them as strong FoS's.

See underlined. Max wasn't the only or first one to remark about the night bomb holding choice in such a manor.

Interesting. A shame though, I don't get to see the ridiculous playstyle of DGB in action because you blow up today . So is there actually a voting phase? Seems kinda counter intuitive.

Crazy shows diverging levels of favortism. Starts case on max and does push it much later. Starts case on Forbidden and doesn't push it much. Calls that very same case weak later on too. What the heck?

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Around pages 5-7 Coron begins to emphasize his reputation to Battle Mage. Even good players make mistakes Coron. The question is not are you right or wrong, the question is can I trust you. If you know only yourself to be town you can only trust yourself. If BM did trust you instantly would you be happy he thinks you're town or would you wonder why he trusted your answers so quickly and what that would say of BM's alignment? Only Scum know who to trust, because scum already got the answers on who has what allignment.

Post 219 by Alvin feels off. He had not been very active and then he comes out of no where supporting a Max explosion "primarily" for everyone elses reasons. Armlx's 222 is 100% correct in responce.

At the moment I'm getting a general bad feeling on alvin from how he is focusing on BM and Max who are voting him while not really looking corectly at other people. I ain't saying Alvin is OMGUSing BM and Max but he needs to not focus on just that. FL OMGUSed Tar not twomz and Alvin should be paying attention if he truly accuratly wants to find scum.

Basically parts of this:

My scumlist was primarily focused on Max and BM. I was mostly rereading what Max and BM did. All the rest came as an aftterthought, in which I didn't entirely reread (skim). I guess you can say #3 isn't so trustworthy as most were from my memory. Also didn't you notice I put question marks around Twomz?

YOU MEAN YOU DID A SCUM LIST BASED ON OTHER PEOPLES THOUGHTS

HoS: alvinz95

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I also really like what HashCed said about crazy.

Right, a few things I've noticed on my first reskim:

I understand that Iron Man made an unhelpful post, but I don't see why Crazy would consider it unhelpful enough to make Iron Man Crazy's number 1 choice. In addition, Max has done the same thing as Iron Man several times over, and yet Crazy's only mention of Max attacked him for something completely different. Forbiddanlight pressed him on attacking some people and ignoring others doing the same thing, and Crazy's response was that Iron Man "was the only person that stuck out in [his] memory." Iron Man has done nothing of note in this game to be memorable; in fact, I almost forgot he was playing until I read Crazy's posts.

Vote: Crazy

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JordanA24 has not posted anything useful since the game started.

I also disagree with M4yhem's assessment of Tarhalinder. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the conclusion, Tar's pbp of forbiddanlight was logical and internally consistent. Describing it as a "load of nothing" is inaccurate and I would like to hear M4yhem explain WHY it is a "load of nothing".

That's all for now. I want to let this game float around in my head before I draw any more conclusions.

Crazy finding his own case on Forbiddenlight as being weak later on also seems suspect to me. If you took time to make a case you shouldn't consider it weak or else you should have never made or even followed it.

And coron actually says something good here

Unvote, Vote:Crazy for lacking integrity and backing off his alleged suspect under pressure.

I never was that suspicious of Forbiddan to be honest. I was just less suspicious of DGB's other choices.

I still wanna kill Iron Man, though. I'd probably put Max at #2, but I haven't looked at this game really in-dephtly yet, so I dunno.

Yes, I do plan on staying under the radar until I can say something decent.. No use in me getting myself lynched, right?

That's a scum strategy. Suspicion ++.

Posts 516 -521 make corn look good and make crazy appear scummy for wanting to go under radar.

So since i skimed over me voting myself via TDC's rules, i am putting votes on Alvinz and Crazy as I continue my read.

Vote: Crazy, Alvinz

Can I vote them both and make this more like kingmaker? I think I'd be happy with either going up at this point. Leaning just a little more on Crazy going up so if I can't vote both...

Vote: Crazy, Fos Alvinz

I'll catch up further as soon as I can. Since only so many houses on block got power and water (Well water comunity) those with power and water are helping those that don't. I am doing it begrudgedly. I never liked them neighbors! Others on block and are nice and helping them and I'm forced to follow suit or look bad. I would rather help the nice people that ain't got power because they been nice to me before. I don't want to help the asshole next door. He never did shit for anybody. He's a fucking prick! Can't I be selective of who i help?

[armlx]

We have DGB, a medium to high rate of posting player who is known for her implusiveness and not so much the analysis...

We have TDC, a player who doesn't post much but does provide fairly good content when he appears, with reasonable analysis.

TDC didn't post much at all D1.

DGB was expected to be random, except most people don't understand that as executioner she is actually very rational.

Both fall under exactly who K7 said he would give the bomb to.

[Crazy]

Both fall under exactly who K7 said he would give the bomb to.

Armlx, no scum team is going to have K7 pick the targets, so I don't think that's saying much.

[Crazy]

Oh, and btw, I plan to reread this game soon and actually post something more than tangent one-liners. Probably tomorrow.

The reason why I said my case on Forbiddan was weak was because I thought it was, but out of DGB's choices, she was my preferred lynch. I didn't really find Tar, BM, or Coron that scummy at all.

[armlx]

Armlx, no scum team is going to have K7 pick the targets, so I don't think that's saying much.

Like I said, I'm not going to discuss this and direct the scum team any further.

[TDC]

TDC didn't post much at all D1.

I think that as far as "players that weren't following the game" go, there would've been "better" bombs. Though that's of course just because I know I followed, looking back I see I hadn't posted much after our small discussion/in the final week, so I see how scum might've thought I wasn't following.
Why are you not voting k7 if you think he's so likely to have chosen DGB/me?

Can I vote them both and make this more like kingmaker?

Nah, just one vote.

The thing is, I take asking to be blown up as not being a joke and used by people who want out of a game they don't have time for or getting into it.

How about asking for a replacement?
Btw, do you plan on voting someone?

Who knows what will happen in the next few days we may go on a streek and hit scum back to back.

Am I reading this right, we should let you live, because we might just win the game before we are in LyLo and have to decide whether you're scum or not? (Not that you are looking as if you'd help to prevent LyLo.)

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Battousai (3) : armlx, Battousai, M4yhem
Iron Man (3): forbiddanlight, Iron Man, Crazy
alvinz95 (2) : Max, Battle Mage
DragonsofSummer (2) : DragonsofSummer, the silent speaker
armlx (2) : Twomz, Haschel Cedricson

the silent speaker (1) : Coron
Max (1) : alvinz95
Crazy (1) : Pokerface

self voting and only self voted (2): killa seven, Jex

Deadline: Thursday the 25th 23:00 CET.

Note: I'd be willing to lift this if enough people agreed with armlx and are against it. The alternative would be a regular deadline of 2 weeks (or so).

Mod: Have Iron Man and Jex picked up their prods?

[M4yhem]

The thing is, I take asking to be blown up as not being a joke and used by people who want out of a game they don't have time for or getting into it. I really don't see anything wrong with it.

But you think they should be blown up? There’s a contradiction here you know,
please explain.

Also M4yhem, if townies stop doing it, then there would be no reason to blow them up. I really don't see trying to stop people from acting anti-town is bad.

It’s bad for the same reason shooting your dog to stop it chewing on the sofa is bad; it might solve the problem, but the cost is rather high.
There is no reason to blow up townies as it is. The bomb is for scum.

Because then I would think that he is just joking, but not contributing, hardly posting makes me think that he's serious when he says it (see first post on seriousness).

If he’s serious when he says it, according to you that means he wants to be replaced. Why would you policy kill someone who wants to be replaced?

Both fall under exactly who K7 said he would give the bomb to.

I have several problems with this.

First, they don’t fall under ‘exactly’. DBG is not a lurker and TDC was contributing to some extent. There are better lurker choices.

Second, surely scum would lie about who they would give the bomb to. (I know I would.)

Third, giving the bomb to lurkers isn’t exactly an original idea. There are many others who might have thought of it.

I think you’re reaching here.

I’d prefer a two week deadline simply because it’s shorter.

[Battousai]

TDC: I have no problems with people asking for a replacement, in fact I want them to if they can't commit to the game properly. The reason I'm not voting YET, is because I want to be sure with my vote and not have to move it. The person I vote for should feel that I will not move my vote of them without a GREAT defense. If you want to know who I'm leaning on right now, it's between alvin, armlx, K7 and possibly IRON MAN just because I don't like lurkers living too long
I don't recall anyone asking for a prod yet so:

Mod: Can we get a prod/replacement on Iron Man? I Know his sig says kinda LA right now, but its been over two weeks since last post.

Also, I see no problem with your deadline method. Basically, all it does is "kill" 4 people instead of 1. And then after the deadline only one of them actually dies.


M4hyem: You call contradiction on me, then I call contradiction on you. I mean lynch all Suicidals is the same as lynch all lurkers, which you seem to be all in favor of.

First quote: There's no contradiction that I see, they want blown up, I'll oblige. They could be town (which case are hurting the town) or scum in which case we get a scum kill.

Third quote: Because (s)he isn't asking for a replacement. If they did then of course they shouldn't be blown up.

[M4yhem]

The contradiction is that you say you see nothing wrong with the behavior and then say we should kill people for it. Generally, we kill people in this game if we think they've done something wrong.

And you say people saying 'kill me' are hurting the town- but killing townies hurts the town far, far more. The cure is worse than the disease.

The bomb is not supposed to be used to 'replace' people. We have a more powerful weapon for that- it's called a mod.

Anyway, I see no contradiction. Just because I support 'lynch all lurkers' doesn't mean I have to automatically support 'lynch all whatever' too. First of all, lurking is a scumtell. I don't think saying 'lynch me!' is a scumtell, it's just confusing. It's like a self-vote- it doesn't help the town but there's no good reason for scum to do it either.

Secondly, lurking is a behavior that effects the player's entire game. Saying 'kill me!' on the other hand, could just be one throwaway line, so you're advocating killing people for less than I am. Also, by saying 'lynch all suicidals' you seem to be suggesting that no matter what else the player does, if they say 'bomb me!' even once, we should kill them. I don't like this focusing on one detail of a player's game. Nearly every townie does something dodgy at some point; you have to look at their whole game to get the real picture.

[armlx]

Why are you not voting k7 if you think he's so likely to have chosen DGB/me?

Not sure about him dying today yet. If we lynch him, I doubt we get much info.

[Max]

But I do believe we should make sure he advances to the next group of players, we shouldn't blow him up but we should maintain some pressure

@TDC, I'm against it

[armlx]

This advancing thing is stupid, and I hope everyone just ignores it in favor of a 2-3 week normal deadline.

[M4yhem]

We can't ignore it, since TDC

is

the lynch.

He's given everyone a chance to choose, anyway.

[TDC]

Might as well have everyone vote on it:
Normal deadline(3): armlx, M4hem, Max
My deadline(1): Battousai

Deadline for the deadline vote (lol..) Midnight from Saturday to Sunday (again, my time)

I'd set the normal deadline to 2 weeks from that.

[armlx]

My deadline(1): Battousai

More reason to vote Batt.

[forbiddanlight]

A normal deadline seems better IMO. As long as we aren't arguing forever.

[Battle Mage]

meh sorry about recent inactivity. will get to this game soon hopefully!

BM

[M4yhem]

My deadline(1): Battousai

More reason to vote Batt.

Why? Do you think TDC's progression system favors scum? Or do you think she's sucking up to the confirmed townie? Comical third option?

I was just wondering where you'd been, BM. Coron too, he posted a lot more yesterday.

[armlx]

Do you think TDC's progression system favors scum? Or do you think she's sucking up to the confirmed townie?

Both?