With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch or no lynch.
Red Gyarados (1): Breakfast With Stalin
Penguin_Alien (2): magenta_thegreat, CarbonFiber
magenta_thegreat (1): Just Sheep Us
CarbonFiber (2): , AngryPidgeon, Penguin_Alien
Titan (1): Red Gyarados
Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8, The Fox and the Hound, PeregrineV, Titan
Mod Note: None at the moment
Deadline is set at 12 days: (expired on 2014-05-25 04:32:54)
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:57 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
WHO'S UP FOR A LATE NIGHT UNBIRTHDAY PARTY WITH DV?
(It's not my birthday, sorry for the misunderstanding)
But hi everyone!
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:16 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
And happy birthday to AP in 3 days time!
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:56 am
by The Fox and the Hound
Ok, I need to ask, how do people go through such long ISOs without dying of old age by the time they finish? I've been at it since my last post and I'm only in the first half of Page 2/4. My progress on previous ISOs was similarly slow.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:58 am
by The Fox and the Hound
The worst thing is that I'm starting to really think CF is scum, but don't want to go with that until reading all of their posts. But it's killing me!!!
I've lost the passion for this somewhat after taking a break from reading. I'll probably only know what I think at the end, so I'll just shut up until then (not sure if I'm going to quite get there tonight, but it'll be close).
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:29 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
Spoiler: CF Cont...
-Analysis of me in 1689 is good.
-1812 leans town because I think that scum would actually feel obviously manipulative posting it and may avoid it, while I think it's all reasonable and makes sense from town.
-Ffery wall in 2157 feels very over-the-top for scum. More likely from town concerned about a read on them.
-Assuming RBD is scum because of the miller claim is odd, just because set-ups often have quirks like two millers etc. where town chaotically argues about it to their death. Until now I always thought that CF had claimed miller and that the consensus was that people weren't sure whether it was a true counterclaim or not (that was the part of the game I never actually read). However, 2184 seeks to make it a 1v1 and doesn't even consider the possibility of multiple millers in what is obviously a complicated set-up. I also disagree that the way CF did it makes him town, as there aren't really any consequences. If scum, it's clearly designed to get the RBD lynch, and if RBD is lynched and flips as a town miller, then the question of why he would counterclaim, and lolCabdsetup would probably make him regarded as obvtown who can get away with not being killed because of their miller + claimed status. This is definitely not my biggest concern about CF (as looking at it objectively, it's certainly possible town), but it is odd to me.
I think this is scummy. With other people thinking that two millers in a game is possible, there has to be some sort of doubt in CF's mind, and I very much doubt that town-CF would want to be lynched/vigged if RBD flip town. It looks like scum making a nice bold claim that they know is not actually going to go through. I see the strength in read here as similar (if not less strong than) to the read of a cop on an innocent result in a set-up where there may be a godfather. It's pretty unlikely that the innocent result is scum, but there's no way the cop's going to say 'well if they flip scum, lynch me!' because the possibility is there, just as I think it has to have been in this scenario. On the other hand, I think it can easily come from scum trying to fake conviction and be town when lol it's not actually something reasonable town would say. The more I'm writing the better I feel about this and I think it may actually be really strong. I'll have to read over it again to make sure I'm not just latching onto anything I can find, but at this point in time DV believes he may have something to get excited about!
2916 may be interesting to look at later. 3036 too. 3116.
In post 3924, CarbonFiber wrote:I am similarly confident about the Fox and the Hound every time DV posts.
This is part of what makes me suspicious of his read change. It's understandable if he has a problem with my suspicion of him, but he goes beyond that to suddenly claim he doesn't like any of my recent posts. I don't understand how this can be the case, as obviously my alignment hasn't changed mid-game and I don't see how my posting has changed so much to justify such a change. If anything I've been more transparent and been putting more effort in than before.
3971 is townish to me though. I don't know if F-16 would have no trouble with that kind of thing as scum, but I could see scum being uncomfortable saying that kind of thing.
I find 4112 pretty town as well. The point about reinforcing is pretty accurate, as I think the same thing happened with Ceph and I with our Mastin read Day 1. The frustration feels town too.
5121 does actually feel like it could be fake, but looking at it now the Tammy thing in general doesn't make a whole lot of sense as scum. It's possible that it'd make CF look more town, but what's the point really? It actually reminds me a lot of how I get when I'm in a mood, and realise that what I was thinking was not quite right at the time.
Ugh I want to read you as town so much, but this is hard!!! 5334 just feels really town to me.
His day 3 play does feel flat though. There's a lot of interacting, but apart from the Tammy thing, you don't get a real idea of who he wants to lynch. AP is a clear scumread, but you don't get the impression from his posts that he actually cares about getting him lynched even before the JSU result (if you're town and did then I apologise). The vibe is much more one of just sitting back and seeing what happens, while talking to people about game-related ~stuff~.
5610 shows that he's 'considering all the possibilities' and thinks that bussing is unlikely.
In post 5712, CarbonFiber wrote:We're still close to the same page except I have Magenta and Cupcake switched around. But we're lynching either Cupcake or AP today and that should help clear things up.
Now this is one of the posts that I feel is a strong example of my concern's about CarbonFiber's Day 3 play. This post (following Stalin's read list) indicates that Cupcake is a strong townread for CF. If Cupcake vs. AP was a true 1v1 then I'd understand him not really fighting a cupcake lynch if flipping town meant that AP was scum and everyone would know it, but it wasn't really like that. There were scenarios where they could both be town, so if he really thought Cupcake-town and AP-scum, I think he'd be less likely to restrict the lynch to them two, and at least try to lynch another scumread (e.g. Nacho, Penguin) if he didn't think he could get AP lynched that day.
In post 6116, CarbonFiber wrote:@ DV, if you have info that there are multiple roleblockers in the game, I think that makes a crucial difference in whether or not Katsuki is lynched today so you should definitely out it.
Ok, so we do claim something that indicates roleblockers may not be a rare thing. We still think Cupcake is scum based on play, but it's odd that CF says this, but doesn't do anything with the information we provide if he apparently thinks Cupcake is town.
Sorry, my internet cut out last night, but I've finished up to Day 3. Feeling really conflicted (obviously) and not sure if I'll be able to sort it out without doing other ISO to work out where CF fits, but I'll say more later.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:29 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
er, end of Day 3.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:34 pm
by Nachomamma8
we had a pledge in our fraternity who sang the happy birthday mr president song
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:47 pm
by CarbonFiber
Holy fuck, will you stop complaining about how I am supposedly not trying to get AP lynched and actually vote him or something? It is really ridiculous how you are complaining about me not wanting to lynch AP while supposedly townreading him. Either you think he is scum and I am avoiding lynching my buddy (fucking LOL), or you think he is town and your discussion is absolutely meaningless. I also addressed your point about AP several times so it feels now like you are being intentionally obtuse and repeating it like a broken record.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:48 pm
by CarbonFiber
Nacho, help me lynch Fox.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:52 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
In post 7339, CarbonFiber wrote:Holy fuck, will you stop complaining about how I am supposedly not trying to get AP lynched and actually vote him or something? It is really ridiculous how you are complaining about me not wanting to lynch AP while supposedly townreading him. Either you think he is scum and I am avoiding lynching my buddy (fucking LOL), or you think he is town and your discussion is absolutely meaningless. I also addressed your point about AP several times so it feels now like you are being intentionally obtuse and repeating it like a broken record.
I'm not complaining, and as I think I've covered you not liking something I'm saying about you probably won't change me thinking it. I'm not sure if it means you're scum with him or if you're just scum that doesn't care about lynching your scumreads. I'm not even sure if I think you're scum yet!
In post 7339, CarbonFiber wrote:Holy fuck, will you stop complaining about how I am supposedly not trying to get AP lynched and actually vote him or something? It is really ridiculous how you are complaining about me not wanting to lynch AP while supposedly townreading him. Either you think he is scum and I am avoiding lynching my buddy (fucking LOL), or you think he is town and your discussion is absolutely meaningless. I also addressed your point about AP several times so it feels now like you are being intentionally obtuse and repeating it like a broken record.
I'm not complaining, and as I think I've covered you not liking something I'm saying about you probably won't change me thinking it. I'm not sure if it means you're scum with him or if you're just scum that doesn't care about lynching your scumreads. I'm not even sure if I think you're scum yet!
Because you are not making any sort of sense. AP and I have mutually been scumreading each other for the vast majority of the time and I have spent possibly an insane amount of time trying to get him lynched so your whole "not trying to get AP lynched" as a scumtell is beyond absurd. It is like you are not even reading the thread but your analysis above shows that you have been which leaves the possibility that you are trying to connect me to one of your scumbuddies. Your complete non-responsiveness when I tell you to help me lynch AP shows that you are full of bullshit.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:57 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
I really don't understand your reaction. I think I'm being very reasonable with how I'm going about things. Trying to look at each post objectively etc. Keeping a cool head about things which I can't always do, and I'm holding off on making rash decisions, but apparently I'm still complaining too much and being obtuse?
PEdit: Um, not caring about lynching AP does not mean you're scum with AP necessarily. Not caring = scum if you're pretending to care.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:58 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
Also, even if I think you're scum with AP the logical first lynch is you so ???
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:02 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
Ok, so the only times I even mentioned AP specifically were posts where you seemed to be trying to get AP lynched.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:02 pm
by CarbonFiber
Then if AP is town, how do you figure that scum-me cared SO much about lynching Mastin and Rancid but suddenly stopped caring about lynching town-AP? It is not like my alignment could have changed midgame.
No, you are not being reasonable. You are hedging by pointing out towny and scummy posts so you can take whatever stance is convenient for you.
For example:
Believing with conviction that Rancid was scum isn't scummy. I truly believed that I was cc'ing him and we know now that I was right and that there aren't two millers in the game. The whole idea is a massive stretch and I don't buy it. Don't care if other people erroneously believed that there were two millers because AP once used them in a game of his.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:06 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
Oh and early Day 3, but please do show me where you're trying to get him lynched there because I didn't see it.
PEdit: I'm not sure, but I think it's certainly possible that you lost steam, or didn't want to burn more towncred by strongly pushing another town lynch.
Conviction isn't scummy, but saying that you're happy being lynched/vig if he flips town is.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:07 pm
by The Fox and the Hound
In post 7346, CarbonFiber wrote:No, you are not being reasonable. You are hedging by pointing out towny and scummy posts so you can take whatever stance is convenient for you.
Also you've lost the opportunity to use the excuse of not knowing how I play, so...
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:08 pm
by CarbonFiber
In post 7347, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Oh and early Day 3, but please do show me where you're trying to get him lynched there because I didn't see it.
PEdit: I'm not sure, but I think it's certainly possible that you lost steam, or didn't want to burn more towncred by strongly pushing another town lynch.
Conviction isn't scummy, but saying that you're happy being lynched/vig if he flips town is.
And why are you considering such an obscure possibility to be more likely than the really obvious one: That he got supposedly "cleared" by JSU and that I want to find his buddies first because he is a less viable lynch until a little later in the game?