Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus if you want to give reads now is actually the time.

[Titus]

I've been meaning to do the VCA but I got swamped with the trial.

RC, did you at least reflect on what I said?

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.2.3

OkaPoka (3): Creature, Confirmation Bias, BrightEyedFish
Confirmation Bias (2): Taly, RadiantCowbells
Time Devil (2): NanceFloor, Fuscosco
NanceFloor (2): Time Devil, chennisden
Shadowlesscloud (1): OkaPoka
mbaki (1): Clemency
0verki11 (1): Ankamius

Not Voting (5): mbaki, Shoshin, Chemist1422, 0verki11, Shadowlesscloud

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:
355 is not counted as a vote.

Stuff will be happening backstage. For now, the game will continue.

TD is not likely scum from this VC.

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.2.7

OkaPoka (2): Creature, BrightEyedFish
themilkcartonkid (2): RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor
BrightEyedFish (2): OkaPoka, chennisden
Shadowlesscloud (1): Confirmation Bias
mbaki (1): 0verki11
NanceFloor (1): Time Devil
0verki11 (1): Ankamius
chennisden (1): Fuscosco

Not Voting (6): mbaki, themilkcartonkid, Chemist1422, Shadowlesscloud, Clemency, Taly

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:
VC 1.2.3 was duplicated so I adjusted the VC numbers.
Still seeking replacement for Confirmation Bias

This puts TD back into play somewhat. Was Fusco just distancing..

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.2.13

BrightEyedFish (6): chennisden, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish, Clemency, OkaPoka

(L-3)

themilkcartonkid (4): mbaki, NanceFloor, BrightEyedFish, Chemist1422, Taly
mbaki (1): 0verki11
OkaPoka (1): Ankamius
Ankamius (1): Fuscosco
0verki11 (1): Time Devil

Not Voting (4): Titus, Creature, RadiantCowbells

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Vote Count 1.2.14

BrightEyedFish (6): chennisden, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish, Clemency, 0verki11, Time Devil

(L-3)

chennisden (4): Titus, Fuscosco, OkaPoka, NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid (2): BrightEyedFish, Chemist1422
Fuscosco (1): mbaki
OkaPoka (1): Ankamius


Not Voting (3): Creature, RadiantCowbells, Taly

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Vote Count 1.2.14

BrightEyedFish (6): chennisden, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish, Clemency, 0verki11, Time Devil

(L-3)

chennisden (3): Titus, Fuscosco, OkaPoka
themilkcartonkid (2): BrightEyedFish, Chemist1422
Fuscosco (2): mbaki, RadiantCowbells
OkaPoka (1): Ankamius

Not Voting (3): Creature, Taly, NanceFloor

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

First wagon scum didn't care.
Impulse wagon on scum.
Counter wagon on bussing scum. Fusco had votes a chunk of his team by this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've been meaning to do the VCA but I got swamped with the trial.

RC, did you at least reflect on what I said?

If you mean in terms of wanting to change my approach to things? I'm happy with the way that I treat things.

I think most people aren't like you in terms of caring about who brings you the information as opposed to what the information is.

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.2.15

BrightEyedFish (7): chennisden, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish, Clemency, 0verki11, Time Devil, Fuscosco

(L-2)

Fuscosco (4): mbaki, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor, OkaPoka
themilkcartonkid (2): BrightEyedFish, Chemist1422
chennisden (1): Titus
OkaPoka (1): Ankamius

Not Voting (3): Creature, Taly

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

@mod, are treestumped players flipped?

Yes.

@mod can treestumped players still use their ability?

No.

Again minor evidence not TD because wagon neighbors

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, if you want to call me scum out of spite because I've offended you, that's you. I can't control you. Most people on MS do not vote me for that reason.
People vote me for other terrible reasons (mostly baseless paranoia) but I don't think that rage voting me is actually all that common.

I feel like the votecounts you're perusing objectively point to me being town, and I'm surprised you aren't voicing that thought.

[Titus]

Like, if you want to call me scum out of spite because I've offended you, that's you. I can't control you. Most people on MS do not vote me for that reason.
People vote me for other terrible reasons (mostly baseless paranoia) but I don't think that rage voting me is actually all that common.

I feel like the votecounts you're perusing objectively point to me being town, and I'm surprised you aren't voicing that thought.

Bussing scum is a thing. Angry scum leading a bus against a trolling scum who spent time voting his teammates is a possibility.

[RadiantCowbells]

Another thing I saw in my own defense while rereading the game: I scumread Creature most of the game, then second guessed that read when he was already put in the coalition by others.
If I was scum, I would know that Creature eventually -has- to go down and I might as well get as much towncred from his flip as possible.
I don't think there's any reason for me to potentially get scumread for not correctly reading Creature when I already had been calling him scum before the coalition and the coalition meant he had to die.

Bussing scum is a thing. Angry scum leading a bus against a trolling scum who spent time voting his teammates is a possibility.

If I were bussing I would have had my teammates bus. Why bus a teammate if I'm not going to have my teammates get towncred for it?

remember https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 6#p9797106
or https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10796311

made sure my teammates were on the wagon, and more to the point made sure they were on the wagon in a way that gave them hefty towncred positioning wise.
what's the point of bussing a teammate if I'm not going to have my teammates get towncred for it? I'm not exactly the one who needs towncred.

[Titus]

Vote Count 2.2.6

Ankamius/Clemency (4): JohnnyEnglish, themilkcartonkid, Creature, Clemency
Creature/Chemist1422 (3): mbaki, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish
OkaPoka/BrightEyedFish (3): RadiantCowbells, Time Devil, chennisden

Not Voting (6): Taly, NanceFloor, Chemist1422, 0verki11, Titus, Ankamius

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a pair.

The deadline for elimination is 9 May 11:00am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-09 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:
Seeking replacement for Taly. May extend deadline if a replacement is not found in time.

Ok I feel pretty confident TD is town bc I don't see scum overloading a dance vote here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why doesn't that apply to me as well? I'm also on that same vote, shouldn't you be clearing me too?

[Titus]

Vote Count 2.2.7

Creature/Chemist1422 (5): mbaki, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, NanceFloor, 0verki11
Ankamius/Clemency (4): JohnnyEnglish, themilkcartonkid, Creature, Clemency
OkaPoka/BrightEyedFish (4): RadiantCowbells, Time Devil, chennisden, Titus

Not Voting (3): Taly, Chemist1422, Ankamius

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a pair.

The deadline for elimination is 9 May 11:00am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-09 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:
Seeking replacement for Taly. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found, and it will be reset to 48 hours.

Vote Count 2.2.8

Ankamius/Clemency (5): JohnnyEnglish, themilkcartonkid, Creature, Clemency, RadiantCowbells
Creature/Chemist1422 (5): mbaki, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, NanceFloor, 0verki11
OkaPoka/BrightEyedFish (4): Time Devil, chennisden, Titus, Ankamius

Not Voting (2): Taly, Chemist1422

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a pair.

The deadline for elimination is 9 May 11:00am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-09 11:00:00)

Mod Notes:
Seeking replacement for Taly. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found, and it will be reset to 48 hours.

JohnnyEnglish and Chemist1422

have been prodded.

Scumreading Creature?

[Titus]

Why doesn't that apply to me as well? I'm also on that same vote, shouldn't you be clearing me too?

Wagon position. TD is later.

[RadiantCowbells]

And this, by the way, is the point that I'm trying to make.
You are not judging me by the same standards that you hold other players to.
You see something that you should townread me for, and you brush it off because of your personal feelings about me making you not want me to be scum.
If you think that 0K is scum, that's one thing, but either I'm cleared or TD isn't and you should think for a while about which one it is.

Scumreading Creature?

I wanted a different lynch. I led a lynch on scum D1. I can't be perfect 100% of the time.

Wagon position. TD is later.

Nah that's some bullshit. If you want to arbitrarily call me scum then you can freely do so but don't say stuff like that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, when someone that you don't like or are mad at posts something that you would normally townread you ignore it because that's the way you play mafia.
When someone goes out of their way to get into your good books (as TD did in this game, incidentally, by being the only one treating you as a leader by being conftown) you locktown them.

I've led you like the pied piper in 15 past games as scum. It's not enjoyable for me to watch you do the same thing over and over and over again.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anyway.

I just wanted you to lock in your scumread on me so that you can't backtrack on it after the game is over.

I feel like we really need to talk about your approach to mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

If we make it to tomorrow with 0k then I'm just gonna do call a friend and if you don't trust whoever you call when they say that I'm town then that's your business.

[Titus]

TD is cleared but you aren't. That doesn't mean I lock scumread you. I am trying to process.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think it matters. in the end you'll gravitate to whoever pushes your buttons and that's not going to be me this game if we're both alive.

But hey, if TD is scum at least they're forced to kill you so I won't have to deal with that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I realize you're going to say that you're reading people objectively, and I agree that you probably think you are!
But on the other hand, I predicted in advance that you'd end up locktowning TD because I know how you treat players based on their behaviour towards you and pre-empted the pairing that I chose.

So regardless of how it feels to you, you must realize that it's a problem that your reads are extremely predictable, particularly given that I as scum have told you the same thing many times.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can even tell you in advance, when I roll scum against you I am gonna kiss up to you and you're gonna townread me.
I've already preemptively told you this, but it's still going to work and you're not even going to consider this on a rational level because for all your claims of being a rational player you are emotions first all of the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I dunno.

Usually I have to like vary my approach to people as scum, hit different buttons, push different angles, whatever.

With you I would be telling you in one scum game how I pocketed you, then I would do the same thing and you'd townread me for it again.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not trying to be mean here. I'm past being upset or annoyed. This is just the way things are, from my point of view.

[RadiantCowbells]

And you can call it pride, I guess. I don't mind kissing ass as scum if it's gonna get me to the finish line and I get the last laugh in the end.

But come on. it's been how many years. you're going in circles.