In post 7309, RCEnigma wrote:If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.
What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.
Elaborate on the
Ceph
townread.
I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.
In post 7309, RCEnigma wrote:If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.
What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.
I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.
And I think forcing people to stances to why their vote is where it is is the better play
Hey, here's a good exercise:
I demand everybody townreading me to give rationale. Meta alone will not cut it. I think a strong scumteam would be on all sides of
Ceph V Taly
and I want to Jumpstart on that dialogue.
At the very least, it will give a coherent response to the defense, since people have stated that they do not see the argument of me!town led by others.
already established I think your effort levels early on weren't that of scum who wanted to avoid getting ripped to shreds by this blender of a game
~GE
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:59 am
by Dancing Puppets
Math, if you think scum are dogpiling to lim Taly, then who is scum? I want to see thoughts more than conclusions please.
Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them
We need the day to end
It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting
I gotta go
Is this you?
It is.
My point was to generate content where people talk
This hasn’t happened.
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:00 am
by MathBlade
In post 7330, Dancing Puppets wrote:Math, if you think scum are dogpiling to lim Taly, then who is scum? I want to see thoughts more than conclusions please.
~Titus
I don’t know. I have theories and I need people to talk to figure out what is likely.
I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.
Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”
In post 7309, RCEnigma wrote:If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.
What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.
I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.
It’s not just someone in my town pool, it’s someone who I’d bet the game on being town and if you think this is T-T, then limming either one is nutso.
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:02 am
by Bell
I really can’t emphasize enough that my reasoning is that I suspected Taly, and then they got gladiated and their posting got better.
So they look more town now, but not enough that I think they’re more town than Ceph and I don’t trust the available information enough to no elim. Because I can be wrong with the level of my analysis.
It was always going to be the case that we would likely eliminate town accidentally day one. In fact that’s the case most of the time in general.
changes:
CSF off
MB off
Rad off
Cephrir on
Frog on
Klick on
malcolm on
RCE on
Roden on
Bell on
everyone who left went to no yeet and everyone who went on came from no vote
bolded names are people MB is saying scum are in
removing Roden cuz mason that leaves Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Bell
of those, 2 are people I legit think have a shot of being scum at this exact minute (Frog and Bell)
Cephrir I lean town on
the others I don't have strong feelings on
~GE
Gamma, I am reading this multiple times and not following. Can you rephrase? Sorry. I appreciate this.
~Titus
idk how to rephrase it??? at least the first parts
out of the 6 names Mathblade calls possible scum hopping on Taly to force the vote thru (Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Bell, removed Roden cuz mason) I scumread Frog and Bell, townread Ceph, and am null on the rest. I have no value judgment on math's statement that the scum are voting there to push it thru until I sort out some of those nulls.
changes:
CSF off
MB off
Rad off
Cephrir on
Frog on
Klick on
malcolm on
RCE on
Roden on
Bell on
everyone who left went to no yeet and everyone who went on came from no vote
bolded names are people MB is saying scum are in
removing Roden cuz mason that leaves Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Bell
of those, 2 are people I legit think have a shot of being scum at this exact minute (Frog and Bell)
Cephrir I lean town on
the others I don't have strong feelings on
~GE
Gamma, I am reading this multiple times and not following. Can you rephrase? Sorry. I appreciate this.
~Titus
idk how to rephrase it??? at least the first parts
out of the 6 names Mathblade calls possible scum hopping on Taly to force the vote thru (Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Bell, removed Roden cuz mason) I scumread Frog and Bell, townread Ceph, and am null on the rest. I have no value judgment on math's statement that the scum are voting there to push it thru until I sort out some of those nulls.
changes:
CSF off
MB off
Rad off
Cephrir on
Frog on
Klick on
malcolm on
RCE on
Roden on
Bell on
everyone who left went to no yeet and everyone who went on came from no vote
bolded names are people MB is saying scum are in
removing Roden cuz mason that leaves Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Bell
of those, 2 are people I legit think have a shot of being scum at this exact minute (Frog and Bell)
Cephrir I lean town on
the others I don't have strong feelings on
~GE
I unvoted for what it's worth for an accurate current VC
In post 7330, Dancing Puppets wrote:Math, if you think scum are dogpiling to lim Taly, then who is scum? I want to see thoughts more than conclusions please.
~Titus
I don’t know. I have theories and I need people to talk to figure out what is likely.
I'm frankly concerned why you're on no lim and you hiding theories. What talk do you need to happen to sort/out your theories?
In post 7309, RCEnigma wrote:If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.
What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.
I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.
It’s not just someone in my town pool, it’s someone who I’d bet the game on being town and if you think this is T-T, then limming either one is nutso.
It’s not. My wincon is not to keep every townie alive. We can share a similar view on slots and not have the same degree of confidence on it. I’m not asking you to move your vote or anything.
In post 7309, RCEnigma wrote:If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.
What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.
I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.
WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.
In post 7330, Dancing Puppets wrote:Math, if you think scum are dogpiling to lim Taly, then who is scum? I want to see thoughts more than conclusions please.
~Titus
I don’t know. I have theories and I need people to talk to figure out what is likely.
I'm frankly concerned why you're on no lim and you hiding theories. What talk do you need to happen to sort/out your theories?
~Titus
I am not hiding them. They are incomplete
We need people to explain why they are on Taly or Ceph more than the naked reasons to flesh it out.
I know something is weird but the what is undefined
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:07 am
by Lukewarm
Timeline.
Frogster has 7 votes out of 14. ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar, Enchant
Frogster claims Role cop. (5850)
Luke, Pooky, and Drap
all say they still want to kill him anyways.
T-Bone
suggest we don't kill Frog (role is plausible as town) 5849
Enchant
unvotes, and says we should not kill a town PR 5877 (6 votes on Frog)
Nancy
is around, but does not comment on frogster. Is still pushing for ceph
CSF
defends Frogster (5887)
Ceph says we should not clear him for his claim.
Bell
starts hard defending Frogster from Elim. (6019)
Rad
shows up, and directly tells me to stop voting Frog (6119)
Math
shows up, and says that he does not really want to elim an investigative claim (6132). and then unvotes
[Down to 5 votes on Frog]
Ceph starts asking about doing his gladiate (6186)
two (math and enchant) of the seven people voting frog unvoted, and three other people were actively trying to dismantle the wagon (CSF, Rad, and Bell)
There is no way that scum!Ceph feels the need to save scum!Frog here.
Anyone arguring that scum!ceph did this to save scum!frog needs a new reason why scum!ceph did this here.
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:07 am
by Dancing Puppets
I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.