considering that me being scum would require me to have specifically outed the town's power role structure and used that to build a townblock out of players that were mislynchable in a gamestate that was heavily scum-favorable and used that to bus a buddy
it doesn't matter how much towncred that gives, that play is fucking stupid and it falls into the ballpark of "why is it mylo and this slot isn't nightkilled" territory, so it isn't even a play that guarantees a strong shot at winning the game
instead it's a lot easier to look at it from the angle of me just being right for most of the game
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:44 pm
by Ankamius
and yes, I don't make cases based on what people are doing
because the what is irrelevant
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:46 pm
by Ankamius
and no I still don't understand why golden robster is apparently obvscum
and her style of playing is the type that is very difficult to fool me on for five full day phases
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:43 am
by Creature
What bothers me about Vax is that he was also pretty scummy at Transformers yet turned out to be town
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:43 am
by Creature
like "I am town look at my voting history" feels so blatant.
I should be autovoting this, but he still might actually flip town.
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:31 am
by Golden Robster
okay I'm back from holiday and basically ready to help solve this game
started with going through flipped scum iso and interactions with players left alive in isolation so give me time
(?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way
Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy,
gamma
,
PP
,
lalendra
Inclined to say that wheme interactions point to creature being town; I don't think wheme buddies his partner to the extent that he was doing d1 especially since his interactions with gamma and texcat were very distance-heavy at the same time. I don't think wheme would be so outright confident to buddy his partner in an obvious manner especially since he didn't do the same with gamma and texcat. Going to say that wheme interactions
point to creature being town for now. +3
Krazy (Pine) - no interactions but not sure if that's because pine was busy;
null for now
Skygazer (Lovebird Davesaz Frozen Angel) - no interactions with lovebird and a couple with dave
really nothing to really say here excluding the fact that little interaction between them; could fit the idea of distancing but not really anything to say here
Yes he is. He's being completely survivalistic. Every post is designed to get votes off him. It's clear he doesn't care what happens if he gets roped.
Not AI so please come up with something else
not a fan of these interactions especially when we take into account the fact that wheme knew he was about to be lynched but at the same time whemestar pushed JJD for the majority of d1 and I don't see scum!wheme doing that to his buddy since he didn't do the same to gamma & texcat; mixed feelings about these posts but I say give jjd
In post 505, Performer wrote:wheme following up after an ISO - since you noticed screenplay, what's your read on him, and your read on the replacement?
I didn’t notice Srceenplay I just saw someone point out he’s site flaking
Like a50 seemed to just copy all of the Golden dudes post and tried to make it like his when I don’t think he’s ever brought up Vax
My hard tr on a50 went downnnn
Kk all caught up
In post 2948, Kublai Khan wrote:He was counter-wagon until he claimed VT though. Wouldn't it be the scum move to claim a PR to avoid the lynch (Vaxkiller-style)?
Was gonna bring this up
Are we just ignoring vax now?
wheme goes from vax town to vax scum without decent explanation & 2341 feels fake; "talk to me" equating to engage me partner while we act town and then 3040 is last ditch attempt to throw shade
-2
granted these reasons could be applicable to JJD as well especially since wheme probably wifom'd towards the end but wheme pushed JJD and sticked with it which I don't see coming from buddies; wheme had a suprise change of heart with vax and last minute attempt to throw shade looks like shitty bussing on readthrough
I want to claim and then have a discussion. Right now I cant
I think these interactions do look pretty bad just in isolation but at the same time I'm not too sure ; it feels like discussion between two players that aren't buddies than over-exaggerated "trying to look like they don't know each other" and "distancing". I say
okay these feel dissonant VOTE: Golden Robster
Not entirely confident, but from what I've seen both from back reading and this, I'm not too impressed by his content
for reference scum!gamma was the first to wagon me at that time
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:46 am
by Golden Robster
okay I caught up and I'll post indepth stuff tomorrow cause jetlag
VOTE: Vax
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:48 am
by Golden Robster
In post 7399, Krazy wrote:If Ank is scum, she's some ungodly abomination that's a hybrid of C.Shep's weird busses and the worst's nonstop redirection. The constant evasion on reads and the complete unwillingness to give anything in the ballpark of a coherent argument is tiresome. I have seen this smokescreen of bullshit used by power gaming scum before, so it's not like she's town just because she's tryhard active posting. Her reads make no sense and until they do she should basically just be ignored. Sky made a better case on Vax in three posts than she did in 60. That's what wave would call a "poor signal to noise ratio". Her case (or lack of a case, since she doesn't case) on Creature is simply bad.
That being said she's probably just tryhard town and hilariously wrong on GR. I have a hard time imagining scum being this obstinately wrong on a buddy. But at the moment I have an easier time seeing that than Creature!Scum.
Today being between Vax and GR is still fine. GR should go through first. While Vax is basically impossible to towncase because of his playstyle, he is still not quite certainly scum, unlike GR, who I daresay could not be scummier if she hardclaimed goon.
skimmed through this but it's actually awful
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:33 am
by wavemode
In post 7408, Golden Robster wrote:@wavemode why do you think I'm scum? I was direct counter-wagon to gamma and floated at L-2 for most of d6
In post 6938, wavemode wrote:
GR is my highest priority. I think his play and pushes have been opportunistic, one example of which i gave in 5518. i don't think there's any scenario where we should be keeping alive someone yesterday attempting to defend texcat, then today appeal-to-emotion self-voting, then backtracking on it after it didn't work and he got some votes. i dislike texcat's 1848 with "I guess it's up to Wheme and Robster". we know this is blatant scum/scum communication, and i see no reason to believe rob is not part of it. his claiming he was the mason partner of boon could be exactly like boon said, that he was trying to assess if the claim was real and possibly draw out the real partner to counterclaim. rob also authored post 6666 which means he is Satan
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:57 am
by Golden Robster
but that reasoning ignores everything that transpired yesterday
you had gamma as locktown
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:59 am
by Golden Robster
and that's ironic coming from someone that defended scum as well; you get a "get out of jail" free card because conf!town but if you were in my shoes you'd realise how frustrating it is
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:42 am
by Ankamius
I kind of remember saying that everybody should be hard resetting at the beginning of the day
