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ok like

when i claim that maria wouldn't have scumread me if she was invested

and i claim that that proves she wasn't invested

don't you agree the fact that she
1) didn't realize I was bulletproof
2) didn't realize I had only been the leader of a single mislynch (technically of 2 people because dance but)
3) claimed that I said to give me the win if I was scum

and i understand why she said the last thing because i pretty much always say something along those lines as scum. but i never said it. so she can't have actually read the game, or she'd have known this stuff was untrue


from a super uninvested point of view knee jerk lockscumming me because i'm alive in lylo is generally a pretty reasonable play but it doesn't add up with anything in this game.

like everything she says is true if the premises are true

if i'm alive to endgame without explanation i'm generally scum. it's a fair assumption.
if i lead a lot of mislynches i'm generally scum. also a fair assumption, especially now that i have a 75% winrate
pushing 'well i should get the win regardless of alignment here for effort' i think is nai but ok

but i'm alive to endgame because scum could never kill me
and i led 1 mislynch to 2 lynches on scum (fusco/chennis. chennis debatable, but i think credit for that goes to me.)

the only other mislynch that even slightly was led by me was moongrass and I only supported that because

ugh

i really would like to talk to baezu.

if there's any concerns that you have, TL, let me know.

Fuscosco, Mafia Goon, eliminated Day 1
OkaPoka, Vanilla Townie, eliminated Day 2
BrightEyedFish, Vanilla Townie, eliminated Day 2
Clemency, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 4
Pink Ball, Vanilla Townie , killed Night 4
Chemist1422, Vanilla Townie, eliminated Day 7
Creature, Mafia Goon, eliminated Day 7
Succinct, Town 1-shot Repicker, killed Night 7
Moongrass, Vanilla Townie, eliminated Day 8
NanceFloor, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 8
Skygazer, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 9
MariaR, Vanilla Townie, eliminated Day 10
chennisden, Mafia Goon, vengekilled Day 10
Titus, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 11

And I just realized

Even though I incorrectly townread creature
I WAS STILL PUSHING FOR HIM TO BE KILLED THROUGH ARENA.

while my read on him was bad and you can be mad at me for that I still pushed a line of play that resulted in his demise.
like, i was part of every scum death this game, and only led one bad play and that was on D2 at a point when 13/16 of the living players were town. It's hard to hit scum at those kind of odds.

and over the last few days
when it was optimal to reveal town i revealed town, when it was optimal to venge town onto scum i venged town and pushed that townie to venge scum, whether or not she did it because of me.

man. the characterization of my play as 'pushing mislynches' pisses me off. she's just mad that i was the reason she died.

I sorta agree, and completely agree with point 1.

p.edit: yeah rn I think you might be town like I thought before Maria's call

p.p.edit: I agree with your sentiment

-TL

i would say from your point of view that if you genuinely believe maria put her heart into this game, seriously read my iso, seriously tried to read me, seriously considered the other player, and came up with me as scum then you should be voting me.

but from my point of view at least it's obvious that that's not what happened.

i'm upset that maria did that. if she didn't read the game she should have just said so.

btw i just realized

reading through the game

she never made any reference to the bulletproof thing

so she didn't have to forget, she literally never knew.

I don't know what to say about Maria.

I think RC is town, the ISO checks out with 7478 from me semi-skimming it.

p.edit: yeah that sadly seems to be the case

-TL

I'm gonna place my overkill vote

please at least ask baezu to talk to me before voting me

i appreciate you reading me right even if we still end up losing.

VOTE: 0verki11

like I guess maria just never read.

she 90 posted even when she was alive, didn't understand mechanics, made an objectively inaccurate statement about my mislynch participation, etc.
now, her reads on me are better than her reads on you obviously (when she actually pays attention to the game), but she also had you as lockscum the entire game.

confirmed town in death or not, your slot is also confirmed town and it's your decision.


if you talk to me and i can't convince you that you're voting wrong i won't blame you baezu but i will blame you if you hammer before I can talk to you 1-1.

TL if you have any problem points yourself with anything that i've said or done you're welcome to bring it up even though I guess we're on the same page at this point.

also i just realized. i referenced my bulletproof status several times when she was venging chennis. she didn't know that, so she didn't read my posts around that time. so yeah, i guess it makes sense that she said I didn't push the chennis venge.

In post 6971, RadiantCowbells wrote:Rank will be amazing in 4 way with a bulletproof alive because it guarantees that 3 way contains a clear and a 1v1 for the last scum slot

Rank now is blah

this was directly addressed to maria, she didn't even read it. so.

In post 7064, Titus wrote:Ugh, I am still waffling on TD or Chennis as the venge though...

In post 7065, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think chennis is scum basically 100% of the time regardless of anything else, and is therefore the safe venge.

In post 7066, RadiantCowbells wrote:have been saying that for a very long time.

also I think that me/TD is fairly obviously not the scumteam? so if that's what you're concerned about, you shouldn't be.

shrug

You on RC?

I am on.

It’s bae

TL said you wanted to talk to me

Are you mad I believed Maria?

Or hurt?

can you pls read through what i said on the last two pages

mariar wasn't even aware that i was bulletproof, which means she never isoed me and she wasn't reading my posts at the time chennis went down

her case on me was predicated on 3 things: me not being dead, me not pushing for a chennis venge, and me pushing mislynches, but the former is because i was bulletproof, the middle is demonstrably untrue if she read at all, and the latter is objectively untrue as well

like... i said that mariar would townread me b/c i expected her to put effort in and read my iso. she clearly didn't do that because she missed even super obvious stuff like me being bulletproof


i'm not mad. just sad.

You thought she would TR you...why do you think she didn’t?

You answered my question in your previous post