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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:31 pm

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Scum wants to be in the middle of an irrational bandwagon. I bet Kodamma was hoping somebody would jump on after him. Nobody jumps on, well then we gotta jump off! The last person to jump on always gets some attention, and thats bad for scum.
There is no real one place scum want to be. Trying to read his mind will get us no-where, I think he just simply jumped on the bandwagon. There's nothing particularly suspicious about that in and of itself.
rolandgarros wrote:Whoaaa this game is moving wayy faster than my last game haha...

With that said, what prompted everyone to start voting Boxman all of a sudden? I can see Faraday suggesting the worth of a bandwagon, especially minus the risk that he'd get randomly lynched... But can you clarify this more? This is my first non-newbie game, so perhaps a bit explanation might help.
Bandwagons are good, in general.

A vote is our means of pressure, thus more votes = moar pressure. The bandwagon on Boxman not only let us guage his reaction, but like we saw who he was suspicious of and so on. Basically it's a good way to kick the game off, and end the 'random voting stage' (hate that term).

rolandgarros wrote:Actually nevermind, I just caught up with the thread and it's starting to make more sense. Out of the three that bandwagoned, faraday and don I'd have to say come off as fairly neutral, assuming I'm wording my thoughts correctly. Kodamna's intentions, on the other hand, are quite debateable I'd have to say... Ross does have a point about kod...
Why do myself and don in particular appear neutral?

What do you mean by 'debateable'. Please clarify.
Kodamma wrote:While you are absolutely correct about me testing the waters with my bandwagon vote Ross, I think you, and others, misunderstand my intentions on unvoting.

It makes no sense for me to unvote fearing I was under scrutiny, as I've only become under serious scrutiny, since unvoting.

I stand by my statement when I unvoted, I found Boxman's reaction to be strong and I was not pushing for a player to feel threatened this early in day 1. I did find Faraday's probing questions to Boxman regarding his decision and placement of order of suspects interesting, mostly because, Faraday has yet to remove his vote from Boxman.

Hence my vote for Faraday. To which he raised suspicions of my allegiance, but did not answer why he left his vote up.

Food for thought.
Why don't you want a player, boxman in this case, to feel threatened this early on Day 1. Don't use it early in being day 1 as an excuse, that's crap, it's never too early to put people under pressure.

Thanks; I'm well aware I've yet to remove my vote. You also didn't answer my question in post 36. Where did I call you scummy, I was asking Boxman, using his logic, why you'd not be at the top of his scumlist. I didn't indicate your bandwagonning vote was scummy, and in fact I thought it was reasonably clear I felt the opposite.

I do not think he should be the lynch of the day (he probably won't either as it's only the start of the day and the main reasons for his lynch are bad in the first place
It was pretty much a random bandwagon, so obviously the reasons are less than stellar.

MordyS's 50/51 are solid/correct.
Starbuck wrote:I really didn't see what don_johnson saw of Boxman. It's supposed to be RVS, so why give a reason at all? I definitely don't like that quick bandwagon.

Now I'm not really that suspicious of don_johnson because at least he gave a detailed reason, but MordyS and Kodamma jumped on for no reason other than "who can resist a wagon!". Kodamma, once called out, quickly jumps off the wagon.

I'm not sure if I buy his defense in post 48.

FOS: Kodamma
Why FOS instead of vote?
Starbuck wrote:I know that you started it and I did just read it, so please don't tell me to re-read. don_johnson was the only person who gave a reason, you didn't even give one.
I really don't buy that you were trying to get the game moving.
Why are you trying to deflect attention?
Why not? What do you think his motivation was then?
So more or less, Mordy is FOSing me for disagreeing with him because we have different points of view.
This is a strawman.
Tjoe doesn't seem like the type who's going to contribute much information.....piggybacking can mean you're scum, or you're just lazy town.....lazy town is worst, because there's no solution for it....at least we can lynch scum. Lynching town is never a good idea.
This is all obvious and seems like posting for the sake of posting.

Do you think Tjoe is scum or lazy town at this stage?

Also

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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:43 am

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faraday wrote:Bandwagons are good, in general.

A vote is our means of pressure, thus more votes = moar pressure. The bandwagon on Boxman not only let us guage his reaction, but like we saw who he was suspicious of and so on. Basically it's a good way to kick the game off, and end the 'random voting stage' (hate that term).
I understand, and this is all fair and good if it achieves its purpose, which it did in this case. The question is, how do players know when to hop on a bandwagon to pressure a particular person without working together? This isn't to say I'm accusing you of working together; far from it, I'm just wondering how this works out in the way that you describe.
faraday wrote:Why do myself and don in particular appear neutral?

What do you mean by 'debateable'. Please clarify.
I accidentally confused you with mordy, and as for don, I explained in an earlier post; his bandwagon vote just seemed very tongue in cheek to me and I saw his intended humor, hence nothing stood out as scummy to me.

As for debateable, I merely meant that it would require more of a response from Kodamma for me to judge entirely, but as of the time between this post and my last post he still hasn't said anything.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:20 am

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From what I've gathered Faraday seems pro-town to me so far. He has done nothing particuarly scummy in my eyes and is contributing a lot to the discussion. I would like to hear more from Kodamma before I do much more first. Kodamma-Can you please tell us everything you were thinking as you voted boxman and quickly jumped off?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:40 am

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Faraday...at this point I'm leaning towards Tjoe is simply lazy town, which is why I'm not voting for him. But the minute something pops up in his posts to make me think otherwise, I'll be on that. I'm aware of the possibility of him being scum, I'm not going to come to a conclusion after one post by him.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:48 am

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I'm still waiting to hear any response from Kodamma, who appears temporarily MIA?
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:34 pm

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Mordy wrote:I'm still waiting to hear any response from Kodamma, who appears temporarily MIA?
Maybe because it's labor day?
Ross wrote:Faraday...at this point I'm leaning towards Tjoe is simply lazy town, which is why I'm not voting for him. But the minute something pops up in his posts to make me think otherwise, I'll be on that. I'm aware of the possibility of him being scum, I'm not going to come to a conclusion after one post by him.
Again I would have to agree with this post. I think that Tjoe is lazy town. I would like him to give a well thought out and developed post soon though so I know what he's thinking other than "especially because both jumped for "weird" reason" And "MordyS's action is less compared to those two" How is it a weird reason? How is it less compared to those two? (Don't post your well thought out and developed post on these as they have already been answered by other people so unless you are thinking something differant talk about whats going on now)
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:50 pm

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A quick meta of Tjoe seems to suggest this is actually standard-ish behaviour from him. General lack of content, bandwaggoning etc. Check your other posts yourself to have a look.

Will do a more in-depth read later tho' just in case. Uni first.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:10 pm

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Apologies for my absence, even though I am stationed overseas, we still celebrate Labor Day Weekend.

@don_johnson - If you noticed, I haven't been that suspicious of you because no matter how sarcastic you've been, you still gave somewhat of a reason for you vote, where the others did not. I never stated that you didn't give a reason so I don't get where the following came from:
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starbuck wrote:I really didn't see what don_johnson saw of Boxman. It's supposed to be RVS, so why give a reason at all? I definitely don't like that quick bandwagon.
rvs consists of random or joke votes. my vote was not random. therefore i offered my reasoning and tossed in some humor. my vote was not to "randomly" begin a bandwagon, but to start one in the best place possible. given the information available at the time, boxman seemed the best place to start and i offered my reasoning as to why.

@MordyS - Your shot at me in post 63 is definitely not necessary since you do admit to knowing what I mean.

"Let's get this thing started" is definitely not a reason to vote someone. Your vote is your strongest tool, if you are town, you should use it wisely.



@Faraday - I FOS'd because currently I don't feel the need to move my vote on Mordy. His back and forth with me has made me a bit suspicious of him, so I'll be leaving my vote on him for the time being.

I think his motivation was for a quicklynch. That's my gut feeling though.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:34 pm

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Doombunny9 wrote:From what I've gathered Faraday seems pro-town to me so far. He has done nothing particuarly scummy in my eyes and is contributing a lot to the discussion. I would like to hear more from Kodamma before I do much more first. Kodamma-Can you please tell us everything you were thinking as you voted boxman and quickly jumped off?
I'll wait for kodamma too
Faraday wrote:There is no real one place scum want to be. Trying to read his mind will get us no-where, I think he just simply jumped on the bandwagon. There's nothing particularly suspicious about that in and of itself.
NOWHERE?...not entirely true.some scum may use MordyS' lead as momentum to bring more vote
Faraday wrote:A vote is our means of pressure, thus more votes = moar pressure. The bandwagon on Boxman not only let us guage his reaction, but like we saw who he was suspicious of and so on. Basically it's a good way to kick the game off, and end the 'random voting stage' (hate that term).
quick bandwagon isn't good for town and can considerable anti-town.

ross-70&78, doom-71&80 : lol...I'll try to come up with more thoughtful contemplation
MordyS wrote:I'm still waiting to hear any response from Kodamma, who appears temporarily MIA?
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:42 pm

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Tjoe Min Ja wrote:
Doombunny9 wrote:From what I've gathered Faraday seems pro-town to me so far. He has done nothing particuarly scummy in my eyes and is contributing a lot to the discussion. I would like to hear more from Kodamma before I do much more first. Kodamma-Can you please tell us everything you were thinking as you voted boxman and quickly jumped off?
I'll wait for kodamma too
Let's not all stop posting while we wait on him to show up though. There are other players in the game :P
Faraday wrote:There is no real one place scum want to be. Trying to read his mind will get us no-where, I think he just simply jumped on the bandwagon. There's nothing particularly suspicious about that in and of itself.
NOWHERE?...not entirely true.some scum may use MordyS' lead as momentum to bring more vote
Well from the qualifiers you used i.e. 'some' and 'may' then I'd say it kinda proves my point. Not really worthy of discussion though.
Faraday wrote:A vote is our means of pressure, thus more votes = moar pressure. The bandwagon on Boxman not only let us guage his reaction, but like we saw who he was suspicious of and so on. Basically it's a good way to kick the game off, and end the 'random voting stage' (hate that term).
quick bandwagon isn't good for town and can considerable anti-town.
this bandwagon was both good for the town and quick, obviously context is key, as with everything.

Re: Starbuck and her FOS: fair 'nuff really. It wasn't clear to me that you suspected Mordy more than Kodamma.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:28 am

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the key is in kodamma and I really hope he can come up and start explain something
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:35 am

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Mod: Later on today will make 72 hours for Kodamma. I know it's early, but in case I'm not around later, I want to request a prod on him.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:29 am

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Well in my initial read, I've got DJ listed as town- his posts seem genuine. I'm also interested in hearing from kodamma, although I'll hold my vote for now.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:15 am

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Faraday wrote:A quick meta of Tjoe seems to suggest this is actually standard-ish behaviour from him. General lack of content, bandwaggoning etc. Check your other posts yourself to have a look.
Thank you for doing that and saving me the trouble (I was probably going to do that later today) however, I still might to confirm you.
Tjoe wrote:ross-70&78, doom-71&80 : lol...I'll try to come up with more thoughtful contemplation
Thanks :D
Tjoe wrote:quick bandwagon isn't good for town and can considerable anti-town.
Actually, as faraday explained here it is ok for a quick bandwagon (just as long as it's not a lynch) under certain circumstances such as ending the hated RVS.
Faraday wrote:Let's not all stop posting while we wait on him to show up though. There are other players in the game
I'm still going to be posting I'm just not going to be voting anyone most likely unless they do something particuarly scummy. Sorry if you misread that.

Finally, like everyone else I would like to hear from Kodamma. Yayz :D
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:10 pm

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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:47 pm

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We'll miss you Far_Cry :(
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:14 pm

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Votecount Number 3!


Kodamma-(3)-Boxman, MordyS, Faraday

MordyS-(1)-Starbuck
Shadow Knight-(1)-Far_Cry
Faraday-(1)-Kodamma

Not Voting-(6)-rolandgarros, Shadow Knight, don_johnson, Doombunny9, RossWilliam, Tjoe Min Ja


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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:53 am

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Hi guys,

Sorry for the spotaneous LOA, heavy amount of stuff hit in RL and I'm still working through a huge amount.

Giving a quick readthrough as well it seems that a lot hinges on my response for us being able to move forward, so I hope the following helps:

Reasons for the vote:
It tests the waters
It provokes discussion
It definitely ended the RVS stage although I seem to be the target as a result :)

Reasons for the unvote:
My statement about him feeling threatened is truly what I felt. Why it mattered to me is that Boxman's reaction, and the resulting discussion between Boxman and Faraday, made it seem like Box is truly town. Meaning that, worst case scenario, all town had bandwagoned him and scum could easily pile on and hammer the lynch home. Although this seems unprobable, as it would make there actions very obvious to some players, why give them the opportunity.

My gut in all of this though is that in my experience, Day 1 is usually spent with a lot of active town, tripping over their own discussions and quicly laid suspicions, resulting in us lynching one of our own and then re-evaluating on Day 2 as the scum have then killed whichever one of us during Day 1 was having the most productive discussions. It has also been my experience that most scum spend Day 1 hanging back and making low content posts to let the town deal with themselves.

Also at this point, I am pretty sure Faraday's intentions are pure.

Unvote


I hope this helps us all on our further discussions, and I do understand why the interpretations of my actions combined with my recent absence led us down this road.

Unfortunately, I am going to have to be away for a further amount to deal with these RL issues but will be back Sun/Mon.

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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:13 am

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quite a post....what make you think that box is truly town?
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:40 am

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There's no reason for a scum player to respond as adamantly as he did towards to quick bandwagon.
He also responded well to Faraday's discussion regarding logic behind people's moves and why they may be helpful vs. damning.

From what I've seen, a scum player in that position would be more inclined to invalidate the bandwagon through deflecting back onto those people that bandwagoned on him rather than listening to logic and dissecting arguments to find points of interest/contention.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:30 am

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Convincing enough for me.

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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:54 am

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I'm not saying that Faraday is "pure", merely that his intentions thus far seem pure. He does not seem to be promoting an agenda in any specific direction, merely is helping others along by providing a valid counterpoint.

It doesn't mean I suspect him less than any specific others, but certainly, I have no reason at this point to have my vote remain on him, especially with me about to be off again for a few more days.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:21 am

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Kodamma wrote: Reasons for the vote:
It tests the waters
It provokes discussion
It definitely ended the RVS stage although I seem to be the target as a result :)
This is fine, and was not something I, in this case was even curious about.
Reasons for the unvote:
My statement about him feeling threatened is truly what I felt. Why it mattered to me is that Boxman's reaction, and the resulting discussion between Boxman and Faraday, made it seem like Box is truly town. Meaning that, worst case scenario, all town had bandwagoned him and scum could easily pile on and hammer the lynch home. Although this seems unprobable, as it would make there actions very obvious to some players, why give them the opportunity.
How likely would you say it'd be for scum to quick lynch someone day 1? Unless they're say, completely incompetent, nothing so blatant will happen.

What about his reaction made him seem town? You think b/c he felt under threat he's more likely to be town? If that's the case then I flat out disagree, as it's a null tell. I actually thought he over-reacted a bit to a random bandwagon.
My gut in all of this though is that in my experience, Day 1 is usually spent with a lot of active town, tripping over their own discussions and quicly laid suspicions, resulting in us lynching one of our own and then re-evaluating on Day 2 as the scum have then killed whichever one of us during Day 1 was having the most productive discussions. It has also been my experience that most scum spend Day 1 hanging back and making low content posts to let the town deal with themselves.
I don't like this at all. Seems like an excuse to go lurker hunting (not in and of itself a bad thing fwiw) and excusing scummy behaviour if people are active. I realise that's probably an oversimplification of what you're trying to say, but still this rubs me the wrong way.
Also at this point, I am pretty sure Faraday's intentions are pure.
Wait...why?

I hope this helps us all on our further discussions, and I do understand why the interpretations of my actions combined with my recent absence led us down this road.
You seem to be tring too hard to appease everyone, like you don't want to ruffle anyones feathers.

There's no reason for a scum player to respond as adamantly as he did towards to quick bandwagon.
He also responded well to Faraday's discussion regarding logic behind people's moves and why they may be helpful vs. damning.

From what I've seen, a scum player in that position would be more inclined to invalidate the bandwagon through deflecting back onto those people that bandwagoned on him rather than listening to logic and dissecting arguments to find points of interest/contention.
I don't understand the first bit. Surely scum or town would have equal reason to oppose the bandwagon. Do you think his strong opposition to his
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banwagon to be a town tell? That doesn't really make sense to me, if that's what you're saying.

But he (boxman)
initially
did point back to the people on the bandwagon did he not?
Are you guys the most obvious scumteam ever or just mindless sheep?
Seems to indicate he did find those on his bandwagon scummy. Sure he eventually agreed/conceded some points, but that wasn't his initial reaction.

Kodamma who's scum?

Shadow Knight now that we've heard from Kodamma what are your thoughts?

Mordy I have a hard time seeing much to cause you to unvote in Kodamma's last post, what in particular satisfied you enough to unvote.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:49 am

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My statement about him feeling threatened is truly what I felt. Why it mattered to me is that Boxman's reaction, and the resulting discussion between Boxman and Faraday, made it seem like Box is truly town.
This vote was supposed to make boxman feel a bit threatened. The way to end a RVS is to jump on a bandwagon to make someone feel threatened and start an actuall discussion.
My gut in all of this though is that in my experience, Day 1 is usually spent with a lot of active town, tripping over their own discussions and quicly laid suspicions, resulting in us lynching one of our own and then re-evaluating on Day 2 as the scum have then killed whichever one of us during Day 1 was having the most productive discussions.
What are you trying to get at here? This isn't always true as town can still lynch a scum so don't use this as an excuse to not be serious about your vote because "we're likely to lynch town anyway"
It has also been my experience that most scum spend Day 1 hanging back and making low content posts to let the town deal with themselves.
So are you soft FoSing Tjoe? He is hanging back and making low content posts. But remember, faraday has metad him and Tjoe usually acts like that (btw I have confirmed this).
Also at this point, I am pretty sure Faraday's intentions are pure.
I'm not saying that Faraday is "pure", merely that his intentions thus far seem pure. He does not seem to be promoting an agenda in any specific direction, merely is helping others along by providing a valid counterpoint.
I think I see what you're getting at here however, I would like you to expand on this. Why do you think faradays intentions are pure? What made him stand out to you?
I don't like this at all. Seems like an excuse to go lurker hunting (not in and of itself a bad thing fwiw) and excusing scummy behaviour if people are active. I realise that's probably an oversimplification of what you're trying to say, but still this rubs me the wrong way.
I don't think he was using this as an excuse to lurker hunting. I think he was just trying to say that mafia usually trys to lie low D1. I would actually have to agreew ith this statement. Scum usually trys not to say anything that would stand out until they need to (mylo/lylo etc.)
You seem to be tring too hard to appease everyone, like you don't want to ruffle anyones feathers.
Ihave to agree with this. You seem to be trying to not get on anyones nerves and thus as you pointed out "are hanging back" and "lyling low" However, I may do a meta on you to see if this is normal behavior for you.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:22 am

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After his response, I'm willing to back off a bit for now, but I'll still be watching him. His response seems to come from a townie mindset, which is really all I've got to go one at this point in the game. He's gotten himself back to even footing, but I'm not prepared to label him a townie yet. He's correct about his vote sparking discussion (and about it putting him in the spotlight). He gets bonus points for ending the RVS (which I've never been a fan of, but that just means I like him as a player). I like that we now have interactions to analyze for later in the game as well. Overall, I'd say I'm neutral on kodamma for now. Further posts from him will hopefull change that.
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