Seol wrote:elvis_knits wrote:Seol wrote:elvis_knits wrote:Netopalis wrote:He doesn't like the fact that I'm going against the common practice of pressure and reaction votes, nor the fact that I suggested setup discussion as a potentially better method of early scumhunting.
Well, I know why he doesn't like you, that's obvious. I actually meant to ask seol why he is connecting you to me. I can see him connecting you to boxman since you poo-pooed his boxman wagon. But why you and me are together, or why boxman and me are together, not sure why.
Your attack on Sensfan didn't ring true at all, and this in particular:
However, don't try to tell me you didn't know what you were doing. There was a vote count at the top of the page. I assume you can count to three seeing as all the boxman votes were on the same page.
felt unreasonably aggressive. Basically, it came across to me as an engineered argument; finding a reason to attack as opposed to genuine suspicion.
Why do you think it wasn't genuine?
Because I don't think most people pay that much attention to the vote count at this stage in the game: you're coming across as if it was irresponsible of Sensfan not to know the precise votecount, and furthermore as if he had heightened responsibility for it because he was an alternative wagon. Particularly the use of the phrase "you had to know what you were doing" is highly accusative on something which isn't a reasonable expectation of a typical player at this point.
I always pay attention to the vote count. And I think that most players pay attention to the votes that happen on the same page as theirs, just because of proximity. Was I picking on something that might not be a big deal? Maybe. Was I pressuring sensfan to get his reaction? Absolutely.
seol wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:seol wrote:I also wanted to see how you reacted to mimicking your scum-team suggestion postings. The unexpected response: you took it seriously.
My suggestions were serious. Yours weren't?
Well, that depends what you mean by serious. It was reasoned, but not intended to carry much weight.
Did you have reasoning behind yours? If so, please elaborate.
How much weight did you intend them to carry?
I don't know how much weight I meant. It was meant to get things going, but I was also serious. Not like a heartattack, but taking my best guess from what was available at the time.
My reasoning was this:
I saw:
netoplais votes sensfan.
boxman votes netopalis.(Sometimes a scum "random" votes the player who is voting their buddy. So I decide to vote sensfan see if I can tell anything more about the relationship there.)
I vote sensfan, call for a bandwagon.
MacavityLock ignores my bandwagon and puts a second vote on parh. (So he's obviously looking to put multiple votes on someone, looking to pressure, but not on sensfan).
So that is where I got sensfan, boxman, ML. I didn't think I was necessarily right, obviously it's highly speculative and the explanation could be very innocent, but I thought it was a possible relationship and worth pressuring to get more info. Atleast to get people talking and what not.
Seol wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:seol wrote:PPE: This:
So are you going to explain your vote or are you just going to hide behind seol?
also has that quality of feeling unreasonably aggressive; attacking for the sake of attacking, and notably different in tone to how you're talking to anyone else.
How do you measure "reasonable aggression?" Of course I'm going to be more aggressive to someone that I am voting and think might be scum.
I don't
measure
it, that was the impression I took. It seems odd to be so accusative the first time you asked Sensfan for his reasoning, he'd only been asked once up to that point by
anyone
, and your previous exchange had an entirely different subject - so it's not unreasonable for Sensfan to think that's what you were interested in. I also don't get where the "hide behind Seol" comment comes from.
Well when people were commenting on sensfan's vote, he chose not to explain it and to ask SC "why don't you think me vote was serious?" Which is a deflection. I didn't like that. Then you came in here and were having your discussion with netopalis and sensfan was falling by the wayside, so in that way, he was getting away with not explaining his vote. Even now when I asked him so obnoxiously he refused to give me his reasoning. I don't know why he's doing that. I don't understand the big deal.
Talk nerdy to me.
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