Mini 150--Beetlejuice Mafia--CANCELLED

[halfpint]

Okay, I just read through my post again. In the interest of fairness, you didn't say that people who are posting more are more likely to be scum then a lurker (as I put above). Lurkers are suspicious by nature so I don't see how finding people suspcious is independent of people lurking. You

did

say to point out suspicious people because they are more likely to be scum then a lurker. So, do you not find lurkers suspicious? Why again were you voting for Dour?

So, all in all, I am still not sure why you are voting for me. I didn't say who I found to be suspicious because I am not sure and want to think on it more.

[Stewie]

I voted for MeMe because I wanted to hear from her. I heard from her and decided based on what she that she was a townie.

She was talking all along. Surely you didn't need to hear from her, you had plenty.

I was voting for Dour because he was lurking

and

there was nothing better to go on to, and because when he stopped lurking he did not contribute to the thread as I would expect from a town member who just got from a non-posting period. If there was something better to go to at the moment, I would have gone after that instead of him.

I voted for you mainly because you said there's nothing going on, and didn't do anything. If there's nothing going on, and you can make something go on, do it, even if you think you are reading too much into something. If there's nothing going on, and you just stay there and say "I want to hear from everyone" then nothing is going to be going on for a long while.

Also, you voted for MeMe when she was the person that was trying to get the game moving. I wasn't an active part of it, but I supported her. The vote on dour could also be read as "I also want to get the game going."

[halfpint]

I voted for you mainly because you said there's nothing going on, and didn't do anything.

I voted for MeMe. I

did

do something. What are you talking about? Now, I am getting you to talk more. That's good. Getting people to talk more is good, right?

She was talking all along. Surely you didn't need to hear from her, you had plenty.

Obviously I didn't have enough to go on, or I wouldn't have wanted to hear from her some more. How can

you

decide when I have had enough material to go on?

[Stewie]

I voted for you mainly because you said there's nothing going on, and didn't do anything.

I voted for MeMe. I

did

do something. What are you talking about? Now, I am getting you to talk more. That's good. Getting people to talk more is good, right?

She was talking all along. Surely you didn't need to hear from her, you had plenty.

Obviously I didn't have enough to go on, or I wouldn't have wanted to hear from her some more. How can

you

decide when I have had enough material to go on?

First quote: I meant after you unvoted her. You are not voting now, are you? And if I hadn't said anything, who knows how long until someone did say something?

Second quote: Pretty simple. MeMe was the most talkative. If you need to hear more from anyone, try someone else. You heard from MeMe more than anyone else, so if you are going to vote for someone using the "I need to hear more from him/her" reasoning, then vote for the person that you heard from the least, not the most. To make matters worse (for you) you put on a fifth vote on her. That's not good. You should let everyone talk before putting a fifth vote.

[halfpint]

I voted for you mainly because you said there's nothing going on, and didn't do anything.

Well, if that's the reason, then honestly I think it's silly. You are voting for me because you think that I complained about nothing happening and then didn't do anything? That's simply not true. In particular, I said nothing

was

going on. I then voted for MeMe. I never said nothing was going on

after

I voted for MeMe.

Also, realize that I put the fourth vote on MeMe, not the fifth vote.

If you need to hear more from anyone, try someone else.

I simply cannot fathom why you are so against me trying to get more info from MeMe. Again, you

cannot

decide when I have enough information.

In summary, I find you very suspicious. The reasons?

1). Your reason (or rather the lack thereof) for voting for me.
2). Your bizarre stance that MeMe is above scrutiny and that you feel you can determine when the town has received enough information about another player.
3). For claiming to be one of the few players that

was

trying to get the game moving along when in fact it was mainly MeMe and you were just following along with what she was doing. Refer specifically to posts 25, 61, 64/65, 69, 73. These all pretty much followed something MeMe said or did (i.e. voting for me/Dour).
4). Your insistence at twisting my words around and presenting erroneous facts (i.e., the vote count) .

vote: Stewie

[Medicated Lain]

I'd have to agree with MeMe's original vote of Dourgrim... but I see nothing more suspicious about him than everything she stated. I generally don't post *alot* in games. But it works because I post when there's something to say, or when nothing at all is being said. There's no point in saying something, if you're not going to add to the game.

vote: dourgrim

despite the fact no one else is voting for him, very few people have been posting lately... where is everyone?

[PeaceBringer]

Trip My Wire-- understandable reaction to first exposure of my play- so will chalk it up to that-- also don't think meme has played with me yet either. I see halfpint indicated having a "read" on meme so will buy that comment for now and unvote. Actually Stewie comments are perking up my suspsicions so

unvote, vote stewie

[rolandofthewhite]

Can we have a votecount,

PBuG

?

[Stewie]

1). Your reason (or rather the lack thereof) for voting for me.
2). Your bizarre stance that MeMe is above scrutiny and that you feel you can determine when the town has received enough information about another player.
3). For claiming to be one of the few players that

was

trying to get the game moving along when in fact it was mainly MeMe and you were just following along with what she was doing. Refer specifically to posts 25, 61, 64/65, 69, 73. These all pretty much followed something MeMe said or did (i.e. voting for me/Dour).
4). Your insistence at twisting my words around and presenting erroneous facts (i.e., the vote count) .

vote: Stewie

1) Post 63, you say that you don't know what's going on, and you vote for meme. In post 57 you were asking for a partial claim, so I'm assuming that you voted to get a full claim, or a partial one. This belief is supported by the fact that you said "that should pressure things along" as in "that should get her to claim." You vote for her when you don't know what's going on, and when I ask you why you didn't vote for someone else to get the game moving, you say it's because you wanted to hear more from her. Hear more about what? You said yourself that you didn't know what was going on! This, added to the fact that shortly after saying that there's nothing going on, you say that you have suspicions but don't outline them. You didn't say this at the same time, but please tell me what made you change your mind so fast.
2) Again, I think there's other people we would rather hear about.
3) Again, the fact that I did not start a motion doesn't mean I was not part of it. When MeMe voted for Dour, I followed. MeMe started the motion to get the game moving, and I supported it. The fact that I did not start the motion suddenly means that I was not part of it? As for voting for you, nothing MeMe said had anything to do with it.
4) I am not a machine, and I am not running for president of the world. I'm playing a game. Actually, I'm in more than one game. I do not have time to fact check, and I'm human. I make mistakes, such as the vote count or the time you said things. The latter doesn't matter to me, though, because you said them in a short period of time, so unless you can tell me what changed your mind, and explain the other stuff, vote stays.

[PBuG]

VOTE COUNT!!!

ONE VOTE

Medicated Lain

willows_weep

PeaceBringer

TripMyWire

TWO VOTES

halfpint

MeMe, Stewie

MeMe

NanookTheWolf, Dourgrim

Stewie

halfpint, PeaceBringer

THREE VOTES

--- Ow, you're making my head hurt...

[willows_weep]

No one is interested at all in Lain?
Oki...

My next interests are Stewie...no that's about it sort of. The other person I never trust so whatever.

Stewie just because of that reaction with Dourgrim.

Oh, and Stewies' posts for halfpint aren't bad. The arg. against.

[MeMe]

Most things considered, I think I'll keep my vote where it is.

[halfpint]

It is interesting to me that considering the big debate between myself and Stewie was centered around you MeMe, that 1) it took you so long to say anything (actually this is the first we've heard from you about anything in a while) and 2) when you finally do say something, this is all you say. I would think you would have more to say.

Hmmm... based on your reaction to my vote, I decided you were a townie (FYI: Stewie). However, maybe I was wrong.

[MeMe]

Your discussion had very little to do with me, halfpint.

The focus was on

reactions

: yours and Stewie's. You're taking the stance that Stewie's reactions to my posts (following) is suspicious while Stewie's taking the stance that your reactions to my contributions (voting for me while complaining that nothing is happening) is suspicious.

When I voted you, it was because I found you the most suspicious and that feeling hasn't changed since I last posted. Your latest post is

also

interesting and does nothing to make me think I've got it wrong.

In just a few lines you:
1) misrepresent the argument as being about me
2) accuse me of lurking
3) say that I should say more when I

do

post (I wonder if you'd have had the same reaction if my post had been "most things considered, I'm changing my vote to Stewie..."? Call me skeptical, but I rather doubt it would)
4) threaten me by pretending to now believe I might not be pro-town after all -- making your journey in regard to me (a)since this game is quiet, I'll vote the loudest one (b)I'll unvote her 'cause I think she's town (c)she might not be town.

So...like I said...I'll keep my vote where it is.

[halfpint]

We did dicuss you quite a bit MeMe, in one fashion or another, so yes, I definitely would think you would have more to say, either way. And when I posted, I checked that the last time you posted before your post was Jan 11. Considering you are on the site a lot, I

was

surprised that you hadn't posted anything before you did. Take that to mean anything you like.

[MeMe]

Take that to mean anything you like.

I'd prefer you to

tell

me what you mean.

And I'm still happy with my vote.

[PeaceBringer]

okay-- now meme and halfpint are going at it- I moved off meme cause Halfpint made a comment that her reading of meme suggested meme was clean. SO I got no clue what is goig on and really need to sort through things more so

UNVOTE

[halfpint]

I'm not trying to go at it with MeMe. I was surprised (and still am) that MeMe didn't have much to say. She only came on with "Most things considered" without even clarifying that. I mean, what does "most things considered" mean? What things? And this was after a few days of nothing. That raised my suspicion level a little. It's the nature of the game to think you have a read on someone but unless you have absolute proof, you are still going to watch what all people post (or don't post) carefully. Nobody should be above suspicision; not even people you suspect are innocent.

[rolandofthewhite]

This is a little confusing... Why exactly are you two fighting so much? I mean, the only thing that you're doing is helping out the scum by creating a distraction (unless one or both of you are scum...). I think we should stop all this bickering and try to think things out calmly before we start casting any more votes.

[rolandofthewhite]

Oops... I didn't see halfpint's post.

[MeMe]

I'm not intending to "go at it" either and I think it's pretty weird that our exchange has been defined that way by two players....I can't help but think at least one is not an authentic appraisal.

And halfpint, you've hammered the "I think MeMe should have said more" point hard enough -- the repetition is beginning to look forced.

[halfpint]

Well, when people ask me to clarify/explain things, I do. Unfortunately, I had to do it quite a bit, so it may have seemed like I was trying to hammer something home.

As a last clarification of this point (hopefully ), let me say that "I think MeMe should have said more" was never my point. First, I just wanted to hear more from you, which is different then saying "you haven't said enough". Secondly, about the posts between Stewie and myself, I was just surprised that you didn't have more to say. Again, this is different then "I think MeMe

should

have said more".

[Stewie]

If you want to hear from someone, it is implied that you want to hear more from them. If you have an example in which this would not be true, enlighten me.

And I don't get why you should be surprized that meme didn't have anything to say. The discussion had little to do with her. Just like I didn't have anything to say about this discussion between you and meme -- until now, of course. She had nothing to add, therefore she didn't post.

Again, if you can tell me what you were expecting her to say, enlighten me.

[MeMe]

As a last clarification of this point (hopefully ), let me say that "I think MeMe should have said more" was never my point. First, I just wanted to hear more from you, which is different then saying "you haven't said enough". Secondly, about the posts between Stewie and myself, I was just surprised that you didn't have more to say. Again, this is different then "I think MeMe

should

have said more".

Perhaps this could have been an acceptable explanation if you'd mentioned it

once

, but that isn't what you did.

when you finally do say something, this is all you say. I would think you would have more to say.

We did dicuss you quite a bit MeMe, in one fashion or another, so yes, I definitely would think you would have more to say, either way.

I was surprised (and still am) that MeMe didn't have much to say.

Because you repeated variations of the "how odd she didn't say more" sentiment three times (now four), it's clear that you are attempting to use it as a point of suspicion. Basically, you're saying that the fact my post was small is problematic for you -- so it's just an inch in logic further to assume you're saying that if I'd posted

more

, it wouldn't be problematic. And that's the same as saying I should have posted more, despite your attempt at spin.

The innocent-looking choices are to either stand by your comments or admit that you were wrong. Pretending that your posts mean something other than the obvious does not look kosher...and it's just one more reason I'm disinclined to remove my vote from you.

[MeMe]

*crickets*