Newbie 1101 - Game over!

[Voidedmafia]

Well, he was the only one who was pushing for an arbitrary quicklynch. Then again, other players may also do that, but he was the first one.

@Voidedmafia: What about games that you didn't play in?

I hate arbitrary QLs

Also, the slack-off was generally the same. There are exceptions, of course.

I can see what PersonalIdiot's talking about, though I hadn't really noticed that before. I was keeping a mental eye on Voidedmafia because something else about his posting was beginning to send me a ping, but it's interesting that PI called him out about something completely different.

And what would that be, by chance?

That has no bearing on wanting a lynch, as I personally do not wish to quick lynch. If the caps part didn't clue you in, I'm simply saying that interest and contribution ALWAYS slacks off after a week or so. It's happened in pretty much every game I've been in, barring cases where a sudden new gambit or twist from a player (like my Mini Normal game).

Well then what *did* you want to do in order to prevent this slacking off from happening? That quote PI pulled up does indeed look like you may have been in favor of lynching within one week's time unless I'm misunderstanding what you meant there.

You are completely misunderstanding. I hate quicklynch in pretty much all forms, EXCEPT when there's less than 36-48 hours to the deadline and there's no clear lynch for the day (i.e. no one at that point is at L-1 or L-2 (which are one and two votes from being lynched, respectively. L-n generally means that someone is so many votes away from being lynched.

Sancho: My point is, it's generally not a good idea to talk about roles this early, thus it can be seen as a rather touchy subject for most this early in the game. And there are some people who do not like the subject bring brought up at all until it is necessary to do so (i.e. Mylo or 3-2 Lylo and everyone reveals their roles if they haven't said so already).

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: OH, and Incog, I'm not entirely sure what the best ways are to inject life into a game.

[cjdrum]

Sorry for not posting,

I was asleep

.

About Grimmjow: I was immediately suspicious of him, but I'd say that his responses to stuff has really settled that down.
PI and Incognito seem to have a pretty good case against Voidedmafia... To me it

slightly

looks like buddying, but I'm not sure how obvious scum would really be. "I found this", then "Oh yeah, I found something too..." is kind of too blatantly obvious to be real scum. I dunno, that's just my thought pattern.

Also, I'm going to remove my RV...

unvote: Incognito

And go have a look at Voidedmafia's ISO. I'd... Say what that stands for, but I don't actually know

[sanchocolates]

Sancho: My point is, it's generally not a good idea to talk about roles this early, thus it can be seen as a rather touchy subject for most this early in the game. And there are some people who do not like the subject bring brought up at all until it is necessary to do so (i.e. Mylo or 3-2 Lylo and everyone reveals their roles if they haven't said so already).

Can you explain to me what you mean by touchy?

[Voidedmafia]

By touchy, I mean that it's the kind of subject people don't exactly like to talk about. Like, for example, if someone had a rather bad time as a child, bringing that up again would be bringing up a touchy subject for them.

Here, It's touchy because not a whole lot of people (AFAIK, of course) really want there to be talks about roles, like it's a bad thing to bring up, if that makes sense.

[sanchocolates]

About Grimmjow: I was immediately suspicious of him, but I'd say that his responses to stuff has really settled that down.
PI and Incognito seem to have a pretty good case against Voidedmafia... To me it

slightly

looks like buddying, but I'm not sure how obvious scum would really be. "I found this", then "Oh yeah, I found something too..." is kind of too blatantly obvious to be real scum. I dunno, that's just my thought pattern.

If his responses to stuff settled down, does that mean you're less suspicious of him?

[cjdrum]

His responses to stuff (ie other questions, comments, etc.) settled down my suspicions of him, so yes.

Also, I looked at Voided's ISO. I saw this post as well, but picked up on a different thing.

1) How long have you been playing?
2) How often can we expect you to post?
3) What is your opinion on lurking?
4) In what situation is it permissible for a vanilla townie to lie?

1. *looks at join date*
2. I post as often as possible.
3. I'm a little vexed if they just looking at the game and not commentating (I do this too, though), and VERY annoyed if you're asked questions and don't have a V/LA to justify you being away. DO NOT DO THE LATTER.

Not telling when a VT should lie, eh?
@Voidedmafia: Why was this fourth question not answered?

Then, in this post, here... He says "from what I've heard", referring to Grimmjow's "fishing". However, a quick look at Voided's games shows that this is his fifth here (plus three other ongoing). Surely he's

seen

somebody rolefishing at some stage? I find it pretty scummy to say, "from what I've heard". It just pings me.

The rest of his posts are fairly neutral: basically responses to comments/questions (that seem maybe a bit Townish)...

But I think that the first two are enough to warrant...

FoS: Voidedmafia

Please answer questions

[Voidedmafia]

Also, I looked at Voided's ISO. I saw this post as well, but picked up on a different thing.

1) How long have you been playing?
2) How often can we expect you to post?
3) What is your opinion on lurking?
4) In what situation is it permissible for a vanilla townie to lie?

1. *looks at join date*
2. I post as often as possible.
3. I'm a little vexed if they just looking at the game and not commentating (I do this too, though), and VERY annoyed if you're asked questions and don't have a V/LA to justify you being away. DO NOT DO THE LATTER.

Not telling when a VT should lie, eh?
@Voidedmafia: Why was this fourth question not answered?

I just didn't answer it.

Then, in this post, here... He says "from what I've heard", referring to Grimmjow's "fishing". However, a quick look at Voided's games shows that this is his fifth here (plus three other ongoing). Surely he's

seen

somebody rolefishing at some stage? I find it pretty scummy to say, "from what I've heard". It just pings me.

Why would it be wrong to say "From what I've heard"? From what I've heard, such a phrase usually doesn't carry a scummy tone.

[cjdrum]

I don't know what it was, but the phrase just pinged me. It

seemed

really bad, but I still can't put my finger on exactly what it is.

Also... Would you like to answer that fourth question, then? It's... Kind of odd that in defence to that comment, you would simply say that it was not answered without answering it?


Anyway, I'd like to see dk_peace, Oswald (and myself, it seems) posting some more. Join the party, guys!

[Oswald]

Anyway, I'd like to see dk_peace, Oswald (and myself, it seems) posting some more. Join the party, guys!

I'd do that if I wasn't busy.

[Oswald]

Plus, I'm reading on what others are posting

[Voidedmafia]

I don't know what it was, but the phrase just pinged me. It

seemed

really bad, but I still can't put my finger on exactly what it is.

Don't let yourself get too bogged down by it. -_-

Also... Would you like to answer that fourth question, then? It's... Kind of odd that in defence to that comment, you would simply say that it was not answered without answering it?

If you insist.

I'm not of the the thought that townies shouldn't lie. Of course, that doesn't mean they shouldn't because being truthful goes a long way to being townie, but I wouldn't hold them to tell the truth all the time, especially when telling the truth would be detrimental to the town.

Anyway, I'd like to see dk_peace, Oswald (and myself, it seems) posting some more. Join the party, guys!

I would, too. Come on, guys, let's get in here!

[PersonalIdiot04]

@Voidedmafia: What I meant by "arbitrary quicklynch" was a rush to lynch somebody, but not defining who that somebody was.

[Voidedmafia]

@Voidedmafia: What I meant by "arbitrary quicklynch" was a rush to lynch somebody, but not defining who that somebody was.

Still falls under the category of quicklynch, and I dislike those except for the situation I outlined.

[Incognito]

Voidedmafia, in response to your question, I felt like one of your posts on page 2 was a bit wishy-washy. It seemed like you were simultaneously defending and attacking Grimmjow in one post. It was actually the same post that cjdrum just referenced on this page. I didn't want to mention anything about it initially because I wanted to either see if a pattern might develop or look into some of your completed games to see if this was typical of you, but since you've asked, there it is.

I find it kinda funny that everyone's chiming in with their own reasons to suspect Voidedmafia but yet he only has like one vote on him. Not really sure what that means just yet.

@cjdrum: Why the FoS instead of a vote?

unvote, vote: Oswald

[Incognito]

Oswald, how long can you expect to be busy?

[Oswald]

My boss makes me do a lot of work, so I'm probably not going to post a lot. Plus I have ADD/ADHD (don't go soft on me) making it hard for me to pay attention, making me take longer to read.

[Oswald]

I'd like Oswald to explain his vote too. I don't normally have a problem with votes that don't have explanation, but I wanna see where the guy's coming from thinking-wise

OK, I will. I just wanted to vote fast.

And, as far as my questions go, I can see how they would be considered fishy, however, if I were scum, I would not need to "fish" for information as to who was town and who was not. However, as town, I most certainly would need to do this. And, as this is my first game and I don't like the idea of RVSing, why would I not start a discussion on such a topic?

How do I know he's town? He's could be lying that he's town.

However, as town, I most certainly would need to do this.

So you

were

trying to get information using those questions?

No, I was not trying to get information. I simply stated that, as town, I would need try to get information.

However, Grimmjow, you could have chosen a better topic to start on. It's generally not good to start off asking about roles this early, from what i've heard.

I thought this was the point: trying to figure out what role everyone has.

And I wasn't actually asking anyone what their role was.

I just asked if you had a preference and if you were happy with what role you got.

However, as town, I most certainly would need to do this.

So you

were

trying to get information using those questions?

No, I was not trying to get information. I simply stated that, as town, I would need try to get information.

So you were just saying that you would have to do this, and was not posting those in order to get info? Just making sure I understand correctly.

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying.

However, Grimmjow, you could have chosen a better topic to start on. It's generally not good to start off asking about roles this early, from what i've heard.

I thought this was the point: trying to figure out what role everyone has. And I wasn't actually asking anyone what their role was. I just asked if you had a preference and if you were happy with what role you got.

It's still a rather touchy subject this early in the game.

I can understand why people would think that it's a touchy subject this early in the game,

however I still think that attempting to figure out what role everyone has from the start is very important,

so I don't exactly think it's a touchy subject.

Besides, anyone that claims anything could be fakeclaiming.

I was not attempting to outright ask what role everyone had.

I was just asking a yes or no opinion question.

That sounds scummy to me. He is posing as townie trying to get information from other townies to help the mafia get information. I also bolded the words that, to me, cancel each other out. Also, I italicisized something that sounds hipocritical to me, he claimed he was a townie.

I'm guessing that Grimmjow is using the terms "role" and "alignment" somewhat interchangeably. At least that's the impression that I got from this line he said earlier:

if I were scum, I would not need to "fish" for information as to who was town and who was not. However, as town, I most certainly would need to do this.

So when Grimmjow says he needs to figure out people's roles, I think what he really means is figure out whether or not they're town, not whether or not they're a PR. At least that's what I'm hoping.

You know what, your right. He could be town and very confused. I'm not going to continue on my conclusion but... UNVOTE: Grimmjow

Also, I think cjdrum is making stuff up to convince people Voidedmafia is mafia. The guy is asking questions to find out who is in the mafia by both defending and persecuting them. So, VOTE: cjdrum.

[Oswald]

Also, Incog (better Insoc) why did you vote for me?

[Grimmjow]

I'm in agreement with PI about Void.

VOTE: VoidedMafia

@Voidedmafia: Why was this fourth question not answered?

I just didn't answer it.

This is hitting really hard on my scumdar (is that like gaydar?). He seems very hesitant to answer the question, and I don't understand why. Hell, I even answered it by simply saying that I just didn't know.

I don't know what it was, but the phrase just pinged me. It

seemed

really bad, but I still can't put my finger on exactly what it is.

Don't let yourself get too bogged down by it. -_-

Trying to turn away one's suspicion of him, perhaps?

[cjdrum]

Also, I think cjdrum is making stuff up to convince people Voidedmafia is mafia. The guy is asking questions to find out who is in the mafia by both defending and persecuting them. So, VOTE: cjdrum.

May I ask... Where I did this?

And may I... Direct you to here. Voided says "Oh, Grimmjow doesn't seem too scummy from that", then in the same post basically says "But that was a terrible idea and thing to do".


And,

@cjdrum: Why the FoS instead of a vote?

Because I didn't feel that the information I had was enough. However, I hadn't noticed the flippant-ness of that post, so...

vote: Voidedmafia

[Voidedmafia]

Grimm: I just didn't answer it. Simple as that.

And no. I wouldn't say that to deflect, anyways. Besides, you're full of contradictions, as Oswlad has pointed out, which is equally as scummy.

vote: Grimmjow

Oswald: Why are you making a good case on Grimmjow about his contradictions, then unvoting due to a hopeful hypothetical that was NOT posted by Grimmjow himself? That's not good at all.

Cj, Incog: I cannot call an action bad and not scummy at the same time? Or rather, bad and not that scummy? For that is what Grimmjow's actions there were: Very bad play, but not that scummy.

btw, I'm a L-2.

[Grimmjow]

And, as far as my questions go, I can see how they would be considered fishy, however, if I were scum, I would not need to "fish" for information as to who was town and who was not. However, as town, I most certainly would need to do this. And, as this is my first game and I don't like the idea of RVSing, why would I not start a discussion on such a topic?

How do I know he's town? He's could be lying that he's town.

I was not claiming town or scum. Not once (that I can remember) have I actually claimed town. In the beginning of a game, everyone is assumed town or assumed scum (depending on how you play), or so I think. This is why I have not been willing to vote on anyone just yet. However, as per my last post, I now have a suspicion on Void, so I voted. I even stated in the above quote hypothetical situations of both.

Also, I find it incredibly interesting to me that you were spending pretty much your entire last post critiquing my posts, and making comments on how they seem scummy, yet in the end, off one single thing, you turned around and voted for someone completely different.

FoS: Oswald

[Grimmjow]

BTW, I'm now L-2. Incog, I'd like to hear from you a bit more, as you're the (I think) IC.

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: I'm at L-2 -_-, not A L-2.