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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:52 am

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IS
– I see what you are saying more clearly. Still … do you think Zod-scum would come out firing so early with a rather ludicrous ‘Policy Lynch’ stance on you? I mean that’s pure stupidity, at least form my independent POV.

Then again I’ve never seen Zodiark when he wasn’t Town (and an easy mislynch for scum or Fate).


Just because you may hold me at a higher standard it doesnt mean that others dont, and your view is hardly independent since you seen me in scumhunting action.

Look at Zod's four posts. He plants the seed in his first line.
Then in his second post, he goes for the attack.
Third post, he realizes that coming after me with bullshit was a bad idea, so he cowers away and tries going after the herpaderp vote instead.
Completely ignores me by the fourth post.

Its opportunistic garbage. Zodscum also pressed harder when I started mentioning RBT. Now that all the attention is back on him and RBT, he is trying to scamper away like a roach after I turned on the light. Zod is trying to employ an early mislynch and its rather plain to see.

ZodScum needs to hang. So whats it going to be RBT. Are you going for the defense of Zod or getting on the bus?
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:02 am

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MoI, to be fair, policy lynching IS is pure stupidity from either alignment
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:07 am

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Peregrine wrote:1.You pointed it out before I could call Darox on it. Since I'm now voting him (which will probably result in a reason), I'd like to hear what you think it means.


I don’t think Darox scum specifically makes it that easy to find his partners. If anything I would guess only 1 would be on the five person list and it is not going to be IS. I’d lean towards either you or Lord Chronos as hiding a partner in a three person group is more likely than calling attention to Entanglement or IS.

Peregrine wrote:2. I have no idea how Darox plays, but the phrases "scumslip" and "newbscum" have to come from somewhere.


Um, whut? I don’t understand your commentary … are you saying Darox is newb-scum?

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Pops wrote:MoI, to be fair, policy lynching IS is pure stupidity from either alignment


I agree 100%. That’s why I have a hard time thinking Zod-scum, who doesn’t want to rock the boat, would go jousting at that particular windmill.

I’ll have to review SquareEnix4 to see Day 1 if he went head to head with Fate in a similar manner.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:17 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
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JAMFTW’s 42
earned my early vote for being overwrought.
Simultanously saying that we are “only on page 2” and then demanding “Proof, Charter. Proof”
is a bit of solid Dissonance and the strenght of the reaction to what I see as clear Charter reaction-fishing made the move solid, IMO.


That was my point to begin with. It was a silly, out-of-the-blue assertion on Charter's part, to which I knowingly and on purpose asked for non-existent proof. As a way to make my point.

Outrage was never part of my intention in my previous post. As has been the case before, it's more incredulity.

At least some of the other people on my wagon have a reason to vote for me (which was also a part of my point).

I love that Entanglement's latest post is just voting for me without adding anything of substance to the debate, whether it's on me or one of the other discussions occurring right now. Just a vote for me and hasn't been heard from since.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:21 am

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JAMFTW wrote:
That was my point to begin with. It was a silly, out-of-the-blue assertion on Charter's part, to which I knowingly and on purpose asked for non-existent proof. As a way to make my point.


What point were you making then? That reaction-testing isn't a good scum-hunting method or is scummy? I'm not sure where you were going with it other 'Reaction in excess of action'.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:27 am

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WHAT IS THE RULE OF THREE? PLEASE HELP I FORGOT.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:29 am

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And people wonder why I think you are useless to the process of scum-hunting if you are Town ....
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:35 am

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Darox wrote:The mistake you're making here is assuming I'm scum fearing. They should be fearing me, because they'll lose come D2 if they don't go back to the future.


Claiming a PR D1 is a good way to instantly give scum either an easy PR kill, or an easy mislynch, depending on how skilled they feel. And, if you're future PR is so good, how do you know that, to balance things out,
town is screwed on the future
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scum is overpowered
. If your not scum fearing, you're either stupid or scum yourself.
I didn't say either of those things. I'm saying the past is better because I'm for it.
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What do you think about Magna, Chronos, and Peregrine all softclaiming Future power roles? <-- LOADED QUESTION


Word to the wise; best way to ensure a person won't answer a loaded question is to let them know it's loaded when you've asked it. Pointing it out, in caps no less, it the best way to defeat the entire purpose of the loaded question.

WORD TO THE WISE: THERE IS A VERY SMALL CHANCE I KNEW THAT, AND I WANTED TO SEE YOUR REACTION. WAY TO DODGE THE QUESTION, CHAMP. ANY CHANCE OF ACTUALLY ANSWERING IT? <-- LOCKED AND LOADED


P.S. The comment about future voting being super scummy was in jest to poke people. Zodiark is not voting for the future, and I'm voting him. If I thought future-voting was scummy, I'd be voting MoI.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:39 am

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Oh hey, Darox is pointing out that ZodScum is avoiding questions. Add that to the list of evidence as to why ZodScum needs to hang. Thanks for the reminder, Darox.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:40 am

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Jam, I am feeling very beneficent today! You've won the grand prize of getting a CASE!

So, let's see...you're a hypocrite for one. I love how bloody useless you've been all game, and only chime in to accuse me (erroneously) of something you yourself are guilty of. I have no idea who you think is scum, Jam, because all you've done ALL GAME is scumplain and fluff post. Do you think I'm scum? Do you think charter is scum? Why don't you post one of your beloved cases? Pro tip: Not posting reasoning doesn't count, since, and I know this is mindblowing,
that's not actually scummy
. So, please die~
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:42 am

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Darox is confusing.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:02 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:

Peregrine wrote:2. I have no idea how Darox plays, but the phrases "scumslip" and "newbscum" have to come from somewhere.


Um, whut? I don’t understand your commentary … are you saying Darox is newb-scum?


I'm saying I have no idea how Darox plays as scum or town. I have never played with him nor read any games he was in.

You, on the other hand, have had plenty to say regarding Darox's play elsewhere.


MoI in post 29 wrote:
Darox wrote:Are you... trying to pin me for not making a scum hunting post?
Really?
Get the fuck out of here.


I’d say something pithy about self-meta here but Darox has it 100% correct. He pretty much doesn’t scum-hunt but just derps around insulting people and having terrible reads.

Darox wrote:Give it up Entanglement, nobody is going to buy a horse so dead even the knackers don't want it.
I'm going to live a long and noose-free life, brutally lynching townies before getting shot by scum on night three.


Major scumpoints for everyone trying to switch us to the future, by the way.


Case in point …

1. The bolded is just hilariously accurate except he doesn’t get NKed since he’s busy having crap reads and instead ends up getting lynched in LYLO because his play is so bad (see Victorian Vampire Mafia)
2. Accusing everyone who doesn’t want to stay in the stale, boring past of being scum simply because he likes the Past himself? Pure lulz Darox.


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MagnaofIllusion in Post 68 wrote:
Darox wrote:MoI: See No Exit, BBM's Large Werewolves, The Neighbourhood; And Victorian Vampire is not fair. I wanted to lynch Ooba (Scum) that entire endgame, but the rest of the town was busy herping and quicklynching Skeward & me.


I’m not going to go meta you for fun. I’d judge your play and act accordingly.

As to VV Mafia – I recall arguing strongly against a Skeward lynch and only switching to vote you because you were so strongly defending obv-scum Spyrex.

On a plus side that game helped me quantify my “Never vote outside a known fake-claim” policy that has paid of dividends.


So, to make a short question long:

Given that you have played previously with Darox where he was either town or not-town, and given what you know of how he played there and his play to-date, do you think it is possible for him to have made such a slip as excluding his teammates if, he is in fact, mafia?
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:02 am

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I'm definitely newbscum who just outed his entire team by only picking the first three people who voted for a time period who are not me. Don't listen to MoI, he'll probably give you some line about how I'm not retarded, I'm just obnoxious. He's actually the mafia traitor I don't know about who's trying to protect me.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:06 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:As to VV Mafia – I recall arguing strongly against a Skeward lynch and only switching to vote you because you were so strongly defending obv-scum Spyrex.
Spyrex had a cop innocent on him, which helped cement my dislike of godfathers.

What do you think about Peregrine hanging around your legs like a baby chick orbiting it's mama?
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:52 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Pops wrote:MoI, to be fair, policy lynching IS is pure stupidity from either alignment


I agree 100%. That’s why I have a hard time thinking Zod-scum, who doesn’t want to rock the boat, would go jousting at that particular windmill.

I’ll have to review SquareEnix4 to see Day 1 if he went head to head with Fate in a similar manner.

Is square enix 4 the fun game that kdub ran or the terrihorribad lurkerfest that was after that one?



I think you missed my point about zod. The policy lynch never had a chance of being successful. That he tried the policy lynch puts him in his own class of clueless. I'm arguing against his behavior being a towntell. If he's clueless about its chance of success, which is true whether he's scum or town, he may very well be clueless about whether policy lynch behavior risks his neck or not.
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"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:18 pm

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Why did you guys (anyone who voted Jamftw) vote Jamftw over Zodiak?

There is no way I am switching my vote off of Zodiak. Literally every post of his makes me ten times more suspicious of him. He is beyond obvscum.

PeregrineV is a likely buddy, as he posted but didn't mention Zodiak. Clearly hoping suspicion on his buddy will die down.
Jamftw is doing a lot of the same thing. Probably scum.

Pops, you should switch to Zodiak.

Right now, everyone voting Zodiak is town. Scum still think they can save him and having gone into bus mode. Probably too late at this point.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:30 pm

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Its not just about his failed policy lynch and his unwise choice for a target. I have pointed out some of his other inconsistencies and the timing thereof. He hasn't tried to pass it off as a joke or a herpaderp move, ala darox. He genuinely came out thinking he could get some steam rolling and maybe hide in an aggressive style or distract everyone with a fray.

Notice how he suddenly disappeared and RBT suddenly has no opinion of him. There are too many coincidences for Zod to not be scum. He doesn't even look like an overzealous Don Quixote townie. He just looks like failed scum.

Zod needs to hang. I will keep saying it over and over again. RBT is also on probation. She needs to thread carefully over her next interactions with Zod. Its highly suspicious that she has had none, ZERO interaction with Zod so far, yet Zod's timing of getting me of her is highly peculiar.

I'm not just blowing smoke here, I have a case and Zod needs to hang.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:43 pm

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Internet Stranger wrote:Its not just about his failed policy lynch and his unwise choice for a target. I have pointed out some of his other inconsistencies and the timing thereof. He hasn't tried to pass it off as a joke or a herpaderp move, ala darox. He genuinely came out thinking he could get some steam rolling and maybe hide in an aggressive style or distract everyone with a fray.

Notice how he suddenly disappeared and RBT suddenly has no opinion of him. There are too many coincidences for Zod to not be scum. He doesn't even look like an overzealous Don Quixote townie. He just looks like failed scum.

Zod needs to hang. I will keep saying it over and over again. RBT is also on probation. She needs to thread carefully over her next interactions with Zod. Its highly suspicious that she has had none, ZERO interaction with Zod so far, yet Zod's timing of getting me of her is highly peculiar.

I'm not just blowing smoke here, I have a case and Zod needs to hang.


Also notice that RBT has not been scumhunting at all. Just making useless noise about the Box Office Mode and sheeping people.

@Darox

You actually don't know anything about what my role, MoI's role, or Peregrine's role does when we switch to the future. So, I'm not really sure why you're all jumped up about it. Especially since your vote for Past basically says the same thing.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:48 pm

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Yup, and I've never claimed otherwise. I'm saying it exists and is not VT, though.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:15 pm

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Current BO Mode
Past


Vote Count: Lynch
JAMFTW (4):
Entanglement, MagnaofIllusion, riceballtail, tclawren
riceballtail (1):
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Zodiark13 (4):
charter, LordChronos, Darox, Internet Stranger
Darox (2):
Zodiark13, PeregrineV

Not Voting (2):
springlullaby, JAMFTW,

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!


Vote Count: BO Mode
Past (4):
Darox, JAMFTW, riceballtail, popsofctown
Future (5):
MagnaofIllusion, LordChronos, PeregrineV, Entanglement, Internet Stranger

Not Voting (4):
springlullaby, Zodiark13, charter, tclawren

With 13 alive, it's 7 for a majority!
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:46 pm

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Zodiark and jamftw both have pretty legitimate cases. They're close to even for me, but I feel like I'd rather lynch jamftw, just because a couple more days with zod could give more info. Jamftw's survival tell is kind of take it or leave it, it's either a classic scumtell or he's just a generally antitown player that's going to do other survivalist things throughout the game.
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:58 pm

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unvote Past, vote Future




I can't go a whole game without any setup speculation. The wincon in my role pm suggests that some players may change faction as the box office mode changes. Scum probably can't change alignment with the BO mode. Well theoretically a setup like that could work, but it would be so difficult to balance one probably wouldn't try it. An SK, or a small secondary scumteam, works more easily, but is still somewhat messy. What works rather easily, though, is the rarely used traitor role. Wins with the town in one time period, wins with the scum, though he doesn't know their identities and they don't know his, in the other time period. Funny coincidence, one of our players breadcrumbed traitor, in a rather out of place way, in a game where the word had yet to come up. Darox.
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:59 pm

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The same player who badly wants a certain time period.

Someone else find the post (/make sure it was Darox) because i gtg.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:10 pm

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popsofctown wrote:Zodiark and jamftw both have pretty legitimate cases. They're close to even for me, but I feel like I'd rather lynch jamftw, just because a couple more days with zod could give more info. Jamftw's survival tell is kind of take it or leave it, it's either a classic scumtell or he's just a generally antitown player that's going to do other survivalist things throughout the game.

The problem with this is, Zodiark is scum, Jamftw is only likely scum.
popsofctown wrote:
unvote Past, vote Future




I can't go a whole game without any setup speculation. The wincon in my role pm suggests that some players may change faction as the box office mode changes. Scum probably can't change alignment with the BO mode. Well theoretically a setup like that could work, but it would be so difficult to balance one probably wouldn't try it. An SK, or a small secondary scumteam, works more easily, but is still somewhat messy. What works rather easily, though, is the rarely used traitor role. Wins with the town in one time period, wins with the scum, though he doesn't know their identities and they don't know his, in the other time period. Funny coincidence, one of our players breadcrumbed traitor, in a rather out of place way, in a game where the word had yet to come up. Darox.

So, you think that people can switch alignment if we go to future, but you don't think scum can switch to town. That seems to me like it leaves town defecting to scum. So why would you be voting for that to happen? Can you elaborate on the Darox breadcrumbs? Unless they're good, I have a mind to lynch you, because you know what the first thing I do when I'm a traitor is? I tell the scumteam I'm a traitor, which is what you just did.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:23 pm

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Darox wrote:I'm definitely newbscum who just outed his entire team by only picking the first three people who voted for a time period who are not me. Don't listen to MoI, he'll probably give you some line about how I'm not retarded, I'm just obnoxious. He's actually the mafia traitor I don't know about who's trying to protect me.
It's this one.

MoI isn't the traitor, I am. I outed my entire scumteam (Remember the 3 people I picked while excluding others for unknown and highly suspect reasons) and now they think I'm some kind of super scumhunter and are going to try and kill me, and I want to keep it in the past so that I get recruited rather than killed.

YOU GOT ME


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is not as interesting as my past role, and because I think the past role will greatly benefit the town over anything you monkeys could do]
[Charter coming in with the wrecking ball and upstaging me]
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