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Okay, I did a quick re-read, and my attention instantly went to zoraster.
"WTF? THAT GUY'S NOT TOWN???"
"Cool, free mislynch!"
The fact that he didn't take it serious at first is a major scumslip. He didn't take it serious because he
^right of the gate he tries to divert attention to reck^
Again he tries to divert attention to reck, but he never calls him out as scum and doesn't vote for him. He simply tries to steer the discussion in his direction without getting too invovled. That's textbook scumplay.
Now's he's trying to discredit parama's assertion that reck is town. Note how he says that reck is "too scummy" but yet he never voted for reck. If he was really sincere about his suspisions of reck, he would have voted. There's no reason not to as town.
Gives a really weak reason as to why scum would do that. The con also conotes that people who think reck is scum are "sane" while those who don't are "idiots". Again, subtley trying to push a reck wagon without actually getting on it.
Says that believes that reck is scum. This is interesting because it's the first time he's expressly stated it despite making several subtle attempts to get a reck wagon started.
Seriously? After all the rhetoric about reck being scum you come out and vote for
Oh, but wait, we're preserving reck for a mislynch at a later date, so we're cool.
Ad-hom and a lie, respectively.
More ad-hom, with absolutely no attempt being made to further either of his scum-reads' wagons.
Zoraster is scum, plain and simple. Virtually every post he has made this entire game has been scummy. He's pushing wagons without any conviction (because he knows their mislynches), he was surprised when reck claimed a guilty on somebody he knew was town, and he voted for parama based on association tells over the person he thinks is scum based on individual tells. More Zoraster votes please.
zoraster wrote:dammit
"WTF? THAT GUY'S NOT TOWN???"
zoraster wrote:Oh, was that for real? It's so hard to tell what's a "joke" and what's a joke with you caps lock people. We can ride this train though. Reginald approves.
VOTE: Fate
"Cool, free mislynch!"
The fact that he didn't take it serious at first is a major scumslip. He didn't take it serious because he
knew
that Fate was town, and was suprised to see a cop guilty. But when he realized that it was for real, he got on the bandwagon instantly.\zoraster first post of D-2 wrote:I think reckoner has some explaining to do.
^right of the gate he tries to divert attention to reck^
zoraster wrote:Another slimy bastard who knew that Fate was town. He wasn't sure what to make of Reck's claim because he knew both Reck and Fate were town. So he passed it off as a joke. Well you slipped up.
I'm sorry, WHAT? Why the assumption that Reck is town?
Again he tries to divert attention to reck, but he never calls him out as scum and doesn't vote for him. He simply tries to steer the discussion in his direction without getting too invovled. That's textbook scumplay.
zoraster wrote:Parama wrote:zoraster even Reck is too ballsy to fakeclaim cop with a guilty on D1 as scum. Heck, there is absolutely no scum motivation to do so.
oh good. the too scum to be scum argument. always a winner!
Now's he's trying to discredit parama's assertion that reck is town. Note how he says that reck is "too scummy" but yet he never voted for reck. If he was really sincere about his suspisions of reck, he would have voted. There's no reason not to as town.
zoraster wrote:Parama wrote:Zoraster, I want you to list out all the pro's and con's for a scum to fakeclaim a guilty on day 1. Then I want you to either self-vote or facepalm, depending on your alignment,
Pros:
1. Get a townie lynched
2. Escape because some idiot will make the argument you're too scummy to be scum. Maybe they'll even think you're MORE townie for doing it.
Cons:
1. Maybe there are more sane people than there are idiots.
Despite that, I do think there's the possibility that he had some sort of weird power role interaction thingy. But Fate's power doesn't appear to be miller-esque, and a night 1 role-fuckup would be pretty lucky for scum on night 1.
Gives a really weak reason as to why scum would do that. The con also conotes that people who think reck is scum are "sane" while those who don't are "idiots". Again, subtley trying to push a reck wagon without actually getting on it.
zoraster wrote:Parama wrote:Actually I'll do it for you:
Pros:
-Day 1 ends in a mislynch (note: statistically speaking this is most likely going to happen on its own)
Cons:
-Chance to be vigged overnight if there's a vig
-Almost assuredly going to be a scum lynch day 2
-If scum somehow manage to survive after a cop fakeclaim day 1, their future input will be completely ignored by the town
So let me get this straight.
On the one hand you're saying I'm an idiot for believing Reckoner is scum. As if it's SO obvious that he's not from his actions.
On the other hand, you're saying it's obvious that you're getting lynched the following day.
These are inconsistent statements. Pick one.
Says that believes that reck is scum. This is interesting because it's the first time he's expressly stated it despite making several subtle attempts to get a reck wagon started.
zoraster wrote:Parama wrote:So then zor who do you think is scum?
P-edit:
Scum look at the hard facts more than what is actually likely to play out.
I think you are, and here's why:
Reckoner may or may not be scum with a very aggressive gambit. Probably not SK or something because eventually reck is going to have to die for his actions and that's not SK behavior. I'm not sure as I can't evaluate him yet in any case.
You on the other hand, have come out swinging defending Reck. And why? The idea that he wouldn't make a gambit like he did is pretty damn flimsy to act with certainty. But you seem pretty hellbent on it. You're manufacturing weak-ass cases on people based on a day 1. That's fine when we're in a low information stage, but the tenor of your discussion makes it seem like you've caught scum.
So I think you want points for defending a scummy looking person because that'll come across as sincere, and you want points to being an aggressive scum hunter. But I think neither is motivated by a desire to catch scum at all. I think it's designed to make you look good. and that's scummy.
VOTE: Parama
Vote: Zoraster
Seriously? After all the rhetoric about reck being scum you come out and vote for
parama
??? The guy who you think is scum only because he defended a scumbud? You voted for the guy who you thought was scum by association rather the one who was scum individually, which makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Though it does from a scum perspective, because when reck flips town, parama will be confirmed town, and you can't have that, so we're going in reverse order.Oh, but wait, we're preserving reck for a mislynch at a later date, so we're cool.
Zoraster wrote:I noticed where you made up a whole bunch of crap, called it caught scum and patted yourself on the back. The whole machismo method of "scum hunting" needs to die already.
You want my case? Look above. It's a damn sight more compelling than yours.
Ad-hom and a lie, respectively.
Zoraster wrote:I'll let others weigh in as it's not beneficial to town to have a pissing contest that takes up more space, but this is just idiotic dribble. It's the "if you say something enough times it becomes correct" mentality. But we're not playing with the Tea Party here. We're playing with some good players who I'm confident will see through that idiocy.
Anyway, go to sleep. We'll see what others think. I'll be curious to see what benmage is talking about as well as Reckoner's response.
More ad-hom, with absolutely no attempt being made to further either of his scum-reads' wagons.
Zoraster is scum, plain and simple. Virtually every post he has made this entire game has been scummy. He's pushing wagons without any conviction (because he knows their mislynches), he was surprised when reck claimed a guilty on somebody he knew was town, and he voted for parama based on association tells over the person he thinks is scum based on individual tells. More Zoraster votes please.
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Figured I would take shit for that.
It was me saying that it was idiotic for someone to hammer Fate b4 he came in, especially since the person with the "cop-read"
Parama, what made you decide to hammer Fate when you previously unvoted him? Did you change your mind and decide you didn't want to wait?
I'll put a vote down when I catch-up.
It was me saying that it was idiotic for someone to hammer Fate b4 he came in, especially since the person with the "cop-read"
insisted
that we wait for everyone to check in. And guess what? Parama, what made you decide to hammer Fate when you previously unvoted him? Did you change your mind and decide you didn't want to wait?
I'll put a vote down when I catch-up.
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Parama wrote:I'd self-vote because I'm mod-confirmed scum, but lynching Fate is always the best play.
vote: Fate
Huh?
Parama wrote:unvote
Okay good I shouldn’t have to do it too
Benmage wrote:evilpacman18 wrote:Odds of Reck's sanity being questionable?
More scum here.
Is it wrong to question a cop read that was made as soon as the game opened? It obviously wasn’t a bad question for what actually happened
Everyone is confusing “people who looked like they knew what was going to happen” with “People who had doubts.”
Parama wrote:vote: Fate
gonna be offline for the rest of the night~ have fun peeps.
WTF? You hammer someone b4 they even arrive, after previously unvoting to apparently wait for everyone to check in, and IM scummy? OK
ToastyToast wrote:It'd be really sad if Fate came in here and claimed miller. Just sayin.
Yeah, I can’t deny that this sounds bad. Again, it was more of a “well miller is the only possible fail this time.” Turns out it was just a shitty gambit.
Also, I was just pointing out the possibility, as anyone who plays a game with a skeptical mind would do.
Plum wrote:O RLY
xRECKONERx wrote:L1
DO NOT HAMMER YET
EVERYONE NEEDS TO CHECK.IN.
THE CONCERN. I FEEL IT RADIATING OUT OF ALL THE PLAYERS HERE. ESPECIALLY THE ONE WHO FOSed FATE AFTER THE FACT. AND THE 'LOL FATE CLAIMING MILLER WOULD SUCK' DUDE. UH HUH.
Whatever this is, we are much less amused than we thought we'd be by the lot of this. Possibly because we missed the fun part while fasting.
This is another person who seemed to know what was going to happen
Immediately after n1…
“HI IM PARAMA AND EVEN THO I CLEARLY UNVOTED TO GAIN TOWNCRED ONLY TO LATER HAMMER THE PERSON EVERYONE THOUGHT WAS SCUM, ITS OBVIOUS THAT TT IS TRYING TO GET TOWNCRED HERE!”
And Reck does have some xplainin to do? If he was so worried why didn’t he himself unvote? Why did he not reveal it was a gambit when it got dangerous? However, I too don’t think scum would be that idiotic. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t need to clear up his fail move.
Parama wrote:hiphop was the scumkill
Elli was the moronic vig's kill or maybe a SK if we have one which I doubt
How was what Elli said after the hammer any less deserving of a vig kill than what your alleged scum-team said? So you’re telling me that “I’m seeing a town-flip!” is something town would say, and saying “well, I guess he could be a miller!” is something completely different? Yeah, no.
”Benmage” wrote:No it isn't too ballsy...its that he isn't that ballsy...plus he made it obvious with his DONT HAMMER crap.
Then why didn’t he unvote and just told everyone NO MORE VOTES!
”Benmage” wrote:Trying to call me out knowing its fake.
Or maybe he’s legitimately asking you why you are voting Fate whilst declaring the investigation fake? Im pretty sure that’s a reasonable question to ask. Also, probably fake sounds considerably more sure than “I guess he could be a miller” and “Questions on Reck’s sanity?” and “Why are you voting if you think its fake?
Benmage and Parama are scum.
For 3rd scum I’m leaning Plum/Zoroaster (look at that buddying! Look at that light distancing with parama! They even are coordinating sleeping schedules! Also, there are MUCH better reasons to vote parama)
I don’t see the elli kill as an SK kill.
Plum wrote:I'm saying that Zor is barking up the wrong tree.
Plums grow on trees.
Vote:Parama
. Its going to be very odd when you are part of the flavor as the head of the wizards (from the first game) but are trying to take down the wizards at the same time. Its like an inception."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Benmage wrote:kanyeknowsbest wrote:Benmage wrote:Sweet, I thought this was gonna be lame, especially with reck already claiming my goto fakeclaim.
Probably fake, spyrex a cop fan?
Anywhose Parama is scum obviously.
vote Fate
"probably a fake" but youre voting on it anyways?
Trying to call me out knowing its fake.
i was curious as to your intentions. questioning his claim did not cross my mind, but you did and voted anyways so i was trying to figure out your motivations. seeing the flip, i dont think its something scum would have done.
the biggest scum possibilities in my mind at this point are toastytoast and evilpacman. they differ from benmage's disbelief but going along with it and instead passively speculate on how terrible it would be if fate flipped town. thats the scum difference.
i think tastytoast is a little bit of a stronger read in this regard - as soon as the hammer was guaranteed he started speculating about the miller possibility and seems like he was prepared for the town flip. i would be willing to vote evilpacman if we go that way though.
vote toastytoast
ToastyToast wrote:Benmage wrote:evilpacman18 wrote:Odds of Reck's sanity being questionable?
More scum here.
Is it wrong to question a cop read that was made as soon as the game opened? It obviously wasn’t a bad question for what actually happened
Everyone is confusing “people who looked like they knew what was going to happen” with “People who had doubts.”
the problem is that you seem like youre in the first category. you didnt start "having doubts" until after the hammer was in. you were preparing for the flip
ToastyToast wrote:Benmage wrote:Trying to call me out knowing its fake.
Or maybe he’s legitimately asking you why you are voting Fate whilst declaring the investigation fake? Im pretty sure that’s a reasonable question to ask. Also, probably fake sounds considerably more sure than “I guess he could be a miller” and “Questions on Reck’s sanity?” and “Why are you voting if you think its fake?
and again, scum is not going to outright say they know its fake. theyre going to do what you did and pretend to doubt the claim so they can start backing away from it and put the blame on others.
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Well... toastys post is the most fail.
Evil lurks.
The kkb vote is... meh.
Ill break down some of the fail later
Evil lurks.
The kkb vote is... meh.
unvote vote toasty
Ill break down some of the fail later
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ToastyToast wrote:Parama wrote:I'd self-vote because I'm mod-confirmed scum, but lynching Fate is always the best play.
vote: Fate
Huh?
that's how a townie sheeps
ToastyToast wrote:Parama wrote:unvote
Okay good I shouldn’t have to do it too
I unvoted so I'd be able to quickhammer. Problem?
ToastyToast wrote:Parama wrote:vote: Fate
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WTF? You hammer someone b4 they even arrive, after previously unvoting to apparently wait for everyone to check in, and IM scummy? OK
But see what I did was blatantly and intentionally scum, while what you did was trying to avoid looking scummy yet failing miserably at it.
ToastyToast wrote:Parama wrote:hiphop was the scumkill
Elli was the moronic vig's kill or maybe a SK if we have one which I doubt
How was what Elli said after the hammer any less deserving of a vig kill than what your alleged scum-team said? So you’re telling me that “I’m seeing a town-flip!” is something town would say, and saying “well, I guess he could be a miller!” is something completely different? Yeah, no.
I said moronic vig for a reason.
Though if you're confessing to Elli's murder I'm all ears, really.
ToastyToast wrote:Vote:Parama. Its going to be very odd when you are part of the flavor as the head of the wizards (from the first game) but are trying to take down the wizards at the same time. Its like an inception.
Hahaha, except my existence in this game is already a flavor paradox. Second time I've made a flavor paradox by my presence, too
Toasty is still breathing and this is a problem because he's scum.
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A general comment to Bubs:
It's Day 2 without much discussion Day 1. I'm more interested in getting some conversation going than I am immediately driving a wagon. If people agree with my reasoning on Parama, great. But I made my case and I don't need to rehash it with a long drawn out back and forth with parama at this stage. It's counterproductive.
Anyway, toasty's post doesn't seem "fail" at all, though I'll be curious to see benmage's detailed take on it. It seems to make sense to me. Though I do have to wonder: what buddying have plum and I done? To my knowledge we haven't really had much interaction at all beyond Plum telling me that I'm barking up the wrong tree. I do find toasty's reaction to the hammer to be worrisome, however. That much I'll agree on.
And now I have to ask:
Where is Reck? For a guy who was immediately the first guy out to post yesterday and is generally a very active poster, his absence is conspicuous.
It's Day 2 without much discussion Day 1. I'm more interested in getting some conversation going than I am immediately driving a wagon. If people agree with my reasoning on Parama, great. But I made my case and I don't need to rehash it with a long drawn out back and forth with parama at this stage. It's counterproductive.
Spoiler: Digression -- A Lesson For Bubs about Ad hominem
Anyway, toasty's post doesn't seem "fail" at all, though I'll be curious to see benmage's detailed take on it. It seems to make sense to me. Though I do have to wonder: what buddying have plum and I done? To my knowledge we haven't really had much interaction at all beyond Plum telling me that I'm barking up the wrong tree. I do find toasty's reaction to the hammer to be worrisome, however. That much I'll agree on.
And now I have to ask:
Where is Reck? For a guy who was immediately the first guy out to post yesterday and is generally a very active poster, his absence is conspicuous.
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WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT THE HELL
SWEET FUCKING HAMMER RIGHT AFTER I SAID NOT TO FUCKING HAMMER
JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST
*sigh*
in case it wasn't obvious I'm not ACTUALLY A COP and I don't ACTUALLY HAVE A GUILTY ON FATE. the idea was to throw that out there FIRST THING and let people simmer on the idea until I got Fate's reaction, retracted, and formed a pro-town voting block
BUT NO. YOU FUCKING MORONS COULDN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
NO WAY IN HELL AM I TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT ABSOLUTE ABOMINATION OF A WAGON
so here's what we're doing
we're going to look at this wagon and we're going to lynch the scummiest person:
xRECKONERx, zoraster, kanyeknowsbest, evilpacman18, ToastyToast, Benmage, Parama
by FAR the scummiest people on the wagon are Benmage & Parama
Benmage: "OH LOL I THINK RECK IS FAKECLAIMING. I'M GONNA VOTE FER FATE ANYWAY LOLOLOL"
Parama: "lemme unvote... NOW LEMME HAMMER HAHAHAHAHA"
both of them probably aren't scum, but one of them is
xRECKONERx, zoraster, kanyeknowsbest, evilpacman18, ToastyToast
as for the REST OF THIS WAGON
I know I'm town
kanye's playing the same here as he did in Speed Mafia (town)
zoraster is slightly scummy because he kinda skirted around my guilty at first as if he KNEW i was faking it but i'm not sure how to read him
evilpacman is REALLY FUCKIN SCUMMY because he "Lol"d and voted Fate then comes back in later going WHOA COULD RECK BE INSANE!?!??!?! to make himself look better
ToastyToast voted Fate pretty straight forward then said he could've been miller which makes me think he actually believed my scum read on Fate since he was assuming I actually got a guilty... unlike evilpacman who prepared for a Fate town flip by questioning my sanity.
TOWN
me
kanyeknowsbest
zoraster
ToastyToast
evilpacman
Parama/Benmage
SCUM
the five off the wagon are all just very null... Elli & Bub's back and forth might be worth talking about and Plum's little post confuses me but honestly I don't care about those five (hiphop didn't even check in you fucks)
I GREATLY APOLOGIZE for trying to gambit with a guilty on Fate but I expect SINCERE APOLOGIES FROM EVERYBODY ELSE who fucking forced that wagon through too quickly
seriously
how obvious do I have to be when I'm screaming
DO NOT HAMMER, WAIT FOR EVERYONE TO CHECK IN, NO QUICKHAMMERS
jesus.
DISCLAIMER: the above post was typed up after the flip during night filled with rage and sorrow
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On today's stuff:
OH REALLY? YOU THINK? HURR DURR YEAH I'M TOTALLY NOT GONNA EXPLAIN SHIT I'M JUST GONNA SHOW UP AND IGNORE IT
And I shouldn't have to explain a damned thing ESPECIALLY with how OBVIOUS I was about "do not hammer him" "no quickhammers" "let everyone check in"... how the fuck didn't you people pick up on that, seriously
uh what. IMO Elli looks more like a scumkill and hiphop looks like a SMART vig's kill
on one hand, this post screams town
on the other hand, i get this really sneaking suspicion that you hammered, knew it was scummy, and are now trying to WHITE KNIGHT the fuck out of me to make up for it
Benmage's #61 also fucks with my head because we now have one of my top scumreads calling me + my other top scumread town.
YOU TWO LADIES WANNA STOP SOFTCLAIMING ALL OVER THE DAMN THREAD AND SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY?
HEHAHEHAHEAHHEHAH
so zoraster just CANNOT DECIDE if I had a guilty or if I fakeclaimed it huh? so there's NO OPTION WHERE I'M SCUM JUST TROLLING? this is a slip of epic proportions
he presents Benmage with a FALSE DICHOTOMY that could only be a FALSE DICHOTOMY if zoraster KNEW i was town
Bub is attacking zor which makes me feel better. Plum & Parama are having their back and forth circlejerk which REALLY does nothing and is just distracting from the whole FINDING SCUM thing
+11111111111111111111111111111111111111
CLEARLY i didn't try to unvote nope no siree bob
Also Toasty is like BENMAGE AND PARAMA AND PLUM/ZORASTER ARE SCUM but then turns around and continues to try and paint me as scummy (why didn't he unvote!?!?!?!? ad nauseum)... not to mention he thinks the Benmage/Parama back and forth is a BUS!? dude wat
okay lemme parse all this and come up with a new scumlist
zoraster wrote:I think reckoner has some explaining to do.
OH REALLY? YOU THINK? HURR DURR YEAH I'M TOTALLY NOT GONNA EXPLAIN SHIT I'M JUST GONNA SHOW UP AND IGNORE IT
And I shouldn't have to explain a damned thing ESPECIALLY with how OBVIOUS I was about "do not hammer him" "no quickhammers" "let everyone check in"... how the fuck didn't you people pick up on that, seriously
Parama wrote:hiphop was the scumkill
Elli was the moronic vig's kill or maybe a SK if we have one which I doubt
uh what. IMO Elli looks more like a scumkill and hiphop looks like a SMART vig's kill
Parama wrote:I'm defending Reck so that we don't waste another goddamn mislynch for pointless reasons.
Also, did you notice where I pointed out THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM ON A PLATTER?
I don't think Reck is scum, so I'm defending him. I agree that me defending Reck has anything to do with catching scum.
I have done the catching scum part all by looking at reactions to Reck's claim. Now where is your case again?
on one hand, this post screams town
on the other hand, i get this really sneaking suspicion that you hammered, knew it was scummy, and are now trying to WHITE KNIGHT the fuck out of me to make up for it
Benmage's #61 also fucks with my head because we now have one of my top scumreads calling me + my other top scumread town.
Plum wrote:Present. I think I know where this might be heading, though <3
YOU TWO LADIES WANNA STOP SOFTCLAIMING ALL OVER THE DAMN THREAD AND SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY?
zoraster wrote:So what do YOU think happened there, benmage? Do you think 1) Reck fakeclaimed or 2) he actually had a guilty result?
HEHAHEHAHEAHHEHAH
so zoraster just CANNOT DECIDE if I had a guilty or if I fakeclaimed it huh? so there's NO OPTION WHERE I'M SCUM JUST TROLLING? this is a slip of epic proportions
he presents Benmage with a FALSE DICHOTOMY that could only be a FALSE DICHOTOMY if zoraster KNEW i was town
Bub is attacking zor which makes me feel better. Plum & Parama are having their back and forth circlejerk which REALLY does nothing and is just distracting from the whole FINDING SCUM thing
Bubba wrote:
The fact that [zoraster] didn't take it serious at first is a major scumslip. He didn't take it serious because he knew that Fate was town, and was suprised to see a cop guilty. But when he realized that it was for real, he got on the bandwagon instantly.
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ToastyToast wrote:And Reck does have some xplainin to do? If he was so worried why didn’t he himself unvote? Why did he not reveal it was a gambit when it got dangerous?
CLEARLY i didn't try to unvote nope no siree bob
Also Toasty is like BENMAGE AND PARAMA AND PLUM/ZORASTER ARE SCUM but then turns around and continues to try and paint me as scummy (why didn't he unvote!?!?!?!? ad nauseum)... not to mention he thinks the Benmage/Parama back and forth is a BUS!? dude wat
okay lemme parse all this and come up with a new scumlist
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Reck wrote:zoraster wrote:So what do YOU think happened there, benmage? Do you think 1) Reck fakeclaimed or 2) he actually had a guilty result?
HEHAHEHAHEAHHEHAH
so zoraster just CANNOT DECIDE if I had a guilty or if I fakeclaimed it huh? so there's NO OPTION WHERE I'M SCUM JUST TROLLING? this is a slip of epic proportions
he presents Benmage with a FALSE DICHOTOMY that could only be a FALSE DICHOTOMY if zoraster KNEW i was town
In order to be a false dichotomy there has to be a third option. Which is what exactly?
Option 1: You fake claimed either as scum or town. Benmage said he thought you were town, so presumably if he picks this option, he believes you fake claimed as you now say
Option 2: You had a real guilty result that was influenced by some other power role or (less likely) bastard modding.
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Plum/Parama's softclaim circlejerk means they're the same alignment; either they planned this out THOROUGHLY in their QT as a sort of bussing-distancing act or they're serious about it. I have to think the fact that they both didn't come out swinging at me (or either one actually) means town over scum so let's go with that
Toasty's D1 play didn't paint him as top-scum but his D2 play of trying to paint literally everybody as scummy is superbad
zoraster can have a nice little throne at the top of my list after his uberslip today
LLD is in this game? wat
kanye is null but eh that's kinda him. play is very similar to speed mafia.
evilpacman is scum, his vote was 'oh shit how do I react to this fakeclaim' and his ensuing reaction was OBVIOUSLY INSIDE KNOWLEDGE THAT FATE WOULD FLIP TOWN
Benmage is town by way of zoraster-scum
Bub's attack on zor is beautiful but could just be an excellent bus; i'm not crazy about his weak reasoning for calling me town. seems like scum trying to GET ON DAT TOWNWAGON
i think that's everyone
so in conclusion kids:
Parama/Plum
Benmage
kanyeknowsbest
Bub Bidderskins
ToastyToast
zoraster/evilpacman
Lady Lambdadelta
doesn't matter which of him/zor goes first
Toasty's D1 play didn't paint him as top-scum but his D2 play of trying to paint literally everybody as scummy is superbad
zoraster can have a nice little throne at the top of my list after his uberslip today
LLD is in this game? wat
kanye is null but eh that's kinda him. play is very similar to speed mafia.
evilpacman is scum, his vote was 'oh shit how do I react to this fakeclaim' and his ensuing reaction was OBVIOUSLY INSIDE KNOWLEDGE THAT FATE WOULD FLIP TOWN
Benmage is town by way of zoraster-scum
Bub's attack on zor is beautiful but could just be an excellent bus; i'm not crazy about his weak reasoning for calling me town. seems like scum trying to GET ON DAT TOWNWAGON
i think that's everyone
Mod: first post needs updating (Elli is still listed as living)
so in conclusion kids:
town---->scum
Parama/Plum
Benmage
kanyeknowsbest
Bub Bidderskins
ToastyToast
zoraster/evilpacman
lolwat
Lady Lambdadelta
Vote: evilpacman
doesn't matter which of him/zor goes first
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zoraster wrote:In order to be a false dichotomy there has to be a third option. Which is what exactly?
Option 1: You fake claimed either as scum or town. Benmage said he thought you were town, so presumably if he picks this option, he believes you fake claimed as you now say
Option 2: You had a real guilty result that was influenced by some other power role or (less likely) bastard modding.
Option 1: I fake claimed as town since that's the assumption your post was under.
Option 2: I had an actual guilty.
Option 3: I fake claimed as scum.
Do you think I'm town or scum, zor?
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xRECKONERx wrote:zoraster wrote:In order to be a false dichotomy there has to be a third option. Which is what exactly?
Option 1: You fake claimed either as scum or town. Benmage said he thought you were town, so presumably if he picks this option, he believes you fake claimed as you now say
Option 2: You had a real guilty result that was influenced by some other power role or (less likely) bastard modding.
Option 1: I fake claimed as town since that's the assumption your post was under.
Option 2: I had an actual guilty.
Option 3: I fake claimed as scum.
Do you think I'm town or scum, zor?
Well, since you seem to be fond of logical fallacies, nice straw man. My number 1 accounted for BOTH your options 1 and 3, clearly. Though obviously I expected Benmage to pick option 1 of mine because of option 1 of yours OR pick my (and your) 2, if that makes sense.
But whatever.
I think you're probably town. I thought you were town after yesterday too, but that didn't mean I wanted to cut off conversation on the topic, nor do I particularly enjoy the "too scum to be scum" argument when it comes to aggressive players. It can and will backfire.
LLD is in this game? wat
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