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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:17 pm

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Maximumum wrote:First he said he had no information....then said he wasn't sure whether he should
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his information. He says he wants to keep it vague because the mafia wouldn't know if there was a investigation result on them out there BUT you already said you investigated massive on Night One and yourself on Night Two. You also said that your second investigation was interfered with in some way, it would be nice to know if that was mathcam's doing or if there was another roleblocker out there. He doesn't have to say specifically who he blocked, just if he was the one who blocked you so we would know better what we are up against. He has info could be beneficial to the town and wasn't sure if he wanted to share?

If mathcam can back up his claim of roleblocking good guy with an avatar that makes sense and a further explanation for not sharing his info I would be willing to change my vote, but for now my vote stands.
I don't know, I think mathcam means he blocked somebody, possibly armlx, but that information isn't going to help us find scum today. Say mathcam blocked a scum tonight (obviously, one who didn't make the kill), and later we force that scum to claim. He claims cop, and posts fake results for tonight. Cam, knowing that, can see that the scum is lying, and we can lynch him. By revealing cam's results now, we'd lose that opportunity. It's reasonable to keep cam's target tonight a secret, to preserve the possibility we can make a claiming scum mess up.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:20 pm

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Maximumum wrote:First he said he had no information....then said he wasn't sure whether he should
share
his information. He says he wants to keep it vague because the mafia wouldn't know if there was a investigation result on them out there BUT you already said you investigated massive on Night One and yourself on Night Two. You also said that your second investigation was interfered with in some way, it would be nice to know if that was mathcam's doing or if there was another roleblocker out there. He doesn't have to say specifically who he blocked, just if he was the one who blocked you so we would know better what we are up against. He has info could be beneficial to the town and wasn't sure if he wanted to share?

If mathcam can back up his claim of roleblocking good guy with an avatar that makes sense and a further explanation for not sharing his info I would be willing to change my vote, but for now my vote stands.
I don't know, I think mathcam means he blocked somebody, possibly armlx, but that information isn't going to help us find scum today. Say mathcam blocked a scum tonight (obviously, one who didn't make the kill), and later we force that scum to claim. He claims cop, and posts fake results for tonight. Cam, knowing that, can see that the scum is lying, and we can lynch him. By revealing cam's results now, we'd lose that opportunity. It's reasonable to keep cam's target tonight a secret, to preserve the possibility we can make a claiming scum mess up.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:23 pm

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JereIC,
I'm just suggesting that mathcam tell us whether or not he blocked armlx last night. If it wasn't armlx then he should by no means tell us who he blocked for the reasons you mentioned. If it
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The problem I see is mathcam's reason for not telling us. He said he was hesitant to tell us if he blocked a claimed cop because it would have mafia wondering whether there was an investigation on them out there, but armlx has openly told us who he chose to investigate both nights. There is no mystery about armlx's claimed investigations. His reason didn't make sense, but guess I could be misintrerrupted his reason.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:33 pm

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I've already conceded that I'd be happy to reveal if other people so desired, and JereIC is right. The point of keeping information secret is not to hide whether or not armlx investigated someone, but for the simple reason that unless there's a strong pro-town reason for the info to be revealed, anything the mafia don't have is better for us.

Unvote: Milkman, Vote: Astronaut
. His quick jump on a new bandwagon seemed very scummy to me.

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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:37 pm

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mathcam wrote:(...)unless there's a strong pro-town reason for the info to be revealed, anything the mafia don't have is better for us.
I agree, and I trust you to judge whether or not his information is useful to town. My vote was only meant to get you to claim your avatar.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:41 am

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But what's the point? To give scum one more avatar they know not to claim?

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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:48 am

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Hmm, lots to think about.

1. Astro has jumped on wagons fastish, and his day 1 "2 votes left with only 1" was meh to me (but he say simul post which I think is 80% true, I just can be untrusting). Not enough to vote here, but
FOS Astronaut
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2. Cam has a point, but so does Maximum. I'm not sure who to believe right now, and don't feel like voting here yet. Note: I wouldn't vote for Maximum, just vote for Cam or not. For now
FOS Mathcam
. This is closer to a vote then my FOS for Astro.

3. The milkman wagon really boils down to whether he will miss or hit scum with his kill IMO. The only reason I would consider lynching him is if he was hellbent on killing a valuble town member for no reason or he does something scummy. He does not deserve the votes at all.

I'll with hold my vote until something new happens, but as of now I am really unsure of anything except Diablo's avatar (which I am now 100% sure of).
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:49 am

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Hmm, lots to think about.

1. Astro has jumped on wagons fastish, and his day 1 "2 votes left with only 1" was meh to me (but he say simul post which I think is 80% true, I just can be untrusting). Not enough to vote here, but
FOS Astronaut
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2. Cam has a point, but so does Maximum. I'm not sure who to believe right now, and don't feel like voting here yet. Note: I wouldn't vote for Maximum, just vote for Cam or not. For now
FOS Mathcam
. This is closer to a vote then my FOS for Astro.

3. The milkman wagon really boils down to whether he will miss or hit scum with his kill IMO. The only reason I would consider lynching him is if he was hellbent on killing a valuble town member for no reason or he does something scummy. He does not deserve the votes at all.

I'll with hold my vote until something new happens, but as of now I am really unsure of anything except Diablo's avatar (which I am now 100% sure of).
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:49 am

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Hmm, lots to think about.

1. Astro has jumped on wagons fastish, and his day 1 "2 votes left with only 1" was meh to me (but he say simul post which I think is 80% true, I just can be untrusting). Not enough to vote here, but
FOS Astronaut
.

2. Cam has a point, but so does Maximum. I'm not sure who to believe right now, and don't feel like voting here yet. Note: I wouldn't vote for Maximum, just vote for Cam or not. For now
FOS Mathcam
. This is closer to a vote then my FOS for Astro.

3. The milkman wagon really boils down to whether he will miss or hit scum with his kill IMO. The only reason I would consider lynching him is if he was hellbent on killing a valuble town member for no reason or he does something scummy. He does not deserve the votes at all.

I'll with hold my vote until something new happens, but as of now I am really unsure of anything except Diablo's avatar (which I am now 100% sure of).
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:04 am

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Wow, triple post.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:58 am

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must have clicked submit thrice.

anyway, i agree with armlx's three posts. In my opinion, milkman shouldn't kill armlx. I also would like to see mathcam's avatar, I'm not interested in his choice last night.

One more thing, is there anyone with a snoopy avatar? When i say someone, I mean a person on mafiascum, not in the game. The clue that I have is related to it.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:20 pm

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Yeah, mlaker.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:00 am

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2 - milkman [inHimshallibe, PBug]
2 - mathcam [Maximumum, Astronaut]
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:48 am

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Pinky also has a Snoopy Avatar. I remember cuz he D1 lynched me in Mini 163 :x . Mlakers is Snoopy on the dog house, Pinkys is Snoopy on the stomach like he just fell down. More likely MLaker's though cuz I think he's more well known then Pinky.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:16 am

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I know I'm not the paragon of frequent posting myself, but where's Leondias? No messages in Vacations/Limited Access.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:11 am

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I'd like to go somewhere in this game...
vote milkman
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:52 am

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So you simply join a bandwagon? No reason you favor this one over the one on mathcam, even after you say you'd like to know cam's avatar?
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:04 am

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If I hadn't made this clear, I'm happy to reveal my avatar if people want, but I haven't seen the kind of evidence that I'd like to for me to actually do it. I'd also like it explained what there is to gain? Mafia know I'm probably innocent, but they don't know my role...which is one more role they have to be unsure of whether or not they can fake claim or not. So me revealing helps the mafia, and even worse, if for some reason you don't believe my claim, you might lynch me anyway! So the mafia laugh themselves all the way to the bank as they learn one more role not to claim
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:06 pm

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mathcam wrote:If I hadn't made this clear, I'm happy to reveal my avatar if people want, but I haven't seen the kind of evidence that I'd like to for me to actually do it. I'd also like it explained what there is to gain?
Mafia know I'm probably innocent,
but they don't know my role...which is one more role they have to be unsure of whether or not they can fake claim or not. So me revealing helps the mafia, and even worse, if for some reason you don't believe my claim, you might lynch me anyway! So the mafia laugh themselves all the way to the bank as they learn one more role not to claim
and
have survived the day with another pro-town player dead.

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you are innocent, wouldn't they?

We have nothing but mathcam's word that he is a good guy role-blocker and I thought his avatar would go a long way to establishing whether or not he is actually on the town's side. The guy he supposedly blocked on night one died before confirming he was blocked and mathcam has given us nothing today to help confirm his status. He wouldn't tell us whether he was the one who interfered with armlx's self-investigation because he wanted mafia to wonder whether there was an investigation out there on them. Armlx's two investigations are already common knowledge so that reason makes no sense.

There are only 10 players left in the game, that's just ten active avatars left. There are plenty of mafiascum avatars to choose from so mathcam claiming his avatar wouldn't really give mafia much of an advantage. His reluctance is just making me feel more and more comfortable with my vote.

C_D, since you revealed who your clue was about, can you elaborate about the rest of it?
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:45 pm

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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:12 pm

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I'll elaborate it only if everyone wants it.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:00 am

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Elaborate if you think it'd help us find scum. If you know that whoever's got a Snoopy avatar is innocent, I can't see how that's useful right now.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:21 am

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Had a busy week, sorry.

Will catch up tomorrow and contribute more from then on.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:16 am

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Max wrote:Mafia know you are probably innocent? If you aren't mafia with them then they would know you are innocent, wouldn't they?
Nope, I could be a serial killer.
Max wrote:He wouldn't tell us whether he was the one who interfered with armlx's self-investigation because he wanted mafia to wonder whether there was an investigation out there on them. Armlx's two investigations are already common knowledge so that reason makes no sense.
Both of these sentences are incorrect. I've already agreed that if enough people wanted to, I would reveal my result, and my avatar too, for that matter. And I explained in the last post about why keeping the investigation secret is a good idea...was there a point you didn't understand? I'd be happy to try to clarify.

CD, unless there's a good reason not to, by all means elaborate.

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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:01 am

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Haven't we confirmed there isn't an SK based on night kills?
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