↑Quilford wrote:well it's just that I'm about to sit an exam so
It had less words than both of the posts combined, plus Jason had not said anything gamerelated at all at the time of Sotty's vote and your scum read on Jason.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Quilford
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:04 am
by Kublai Khan
@xvart - what's your opinion of the lewarcher82 wagon?
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:19 am
by Sotty7
I think VP over reacted to Quilford's town read of me. KK kinda latched on there as well but not as strongly. That wagon was pretty bad.
Jason's xvart vote was terrible but his posting after that feels more townish to me, so we'll see where that goes.
Vi's pressure on Lew is good, Xvart's deflection back to Quilford is not.
Vote: Xvart
Not quite ready to place Lew at L-1 at this point.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:10 am
by VP Baltar
You're really that gullible, Sotty? since when? Xvart explains it exactly as it is. I don't care about Quilford having a town read on you. The problem is that there was absolutely nothing there to declare a town read based upon. It is a scummy tactic because it's not a legitimate read (he claims they are not random after all!). It's one thing to call someone scummy early game over something minor as a way to get the ball rolling, and it's something entirely different to buddy someone by calling them town over nothing...which apparently worked on you.
While I can understand the premise of the lewarcher wagon, that certainly shot up fast. I at least suggest we don't throw anyone to L-1 quickly while Roxi is waiting in the wings. If scum control that animal, we need to watch out for quick hammers.
Jason's xvart vote was terrible but his posting after that feels more townish to me, so we'll see where that goes.
How so? it was a random vote in RVS. whats horrible about it, Sotty?
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:41 am
by Sotty7
↑VP Baltar wrote:You're really that gullible, Sotty? since when?
lol You can stop this right now.
Well when I read what he said about my vote I thought it was pretty weak and silly really. If anything I think it was his way of agreeing with my gut vibes on Jason's first post. What I don't see is how quickly you build the bridge from silly to scummy. Quliford wasn't trying to say I'm confirmed town or anything, and it's not like it's a read that's locked in. From what I have seen of Quliford he does this kinda thing, it's a null tell. But you were all over it like it was a massive thing. I don't see it. I think you blew it up.
Jason, I feel you over justified a throw away random vote, just twinged my gut which is why I voted you. I like to figure you out ASAP so I know if we can team up to destroy the world or not.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:50 am
by jasonT1981
↑Sotty7 wrote:l tell. But you were all over it like it was a massive thing. I don't see it. I think you blew it up.
Jason, I feel you over justified a throw away random vote, just twinged my gut which is why I voted you. I like to figure you out ASAP so I know if we can team up to destroy the world or not.
HAHA OK then. I know you always like to try and figure me out early. I usually put some comment in the random vote as to why, sometimes whitty, sometimes looking deadly serious.
Quilford - I also defend you as town, more so actually. 70s show was an exception to that. As scum I usually push for your lynch heavily I believe..
lewarcher 44 wrote:Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.
lewarcher 50 wrote:I will agree on the town VI hypothesis for now. Another detail in her posts shows that she tends to be clueless about the fishy potential of her proposal.
Moreover, I have never seen scum fish so blatantly.
It sounds like you already had your mind made up.
I sure did. Feel free to meta me and see what I think of fishing as a scumtell. It is anti-town, but only moronic scum does it. But this does not prevent me from discussing the point with the player in the first place.
Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!
This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this? And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.
Yes, but in a petsPick, I'm pretty sure a good majority of us have two of the most common pets out there which are dogs and cats for our animals. Everyone thinks their pet is adorable, I'm sure no one submitted a pet they just hated in a 'pet you love' mafia game. And I'm not sure 'young and spry' relates to a specific mafia role, do you?
The thing that worries me is not that glowball naively chose to reveal her animal's flavor so to speak, but the fact that this is a huge overreach over information that really equates to nothing specific about the role.
Vote: lewatcher
L-7
Explain, please. Are you voting me for thinking glow was fishing or for saying she wasn't after asking her if she was? Are you voting me for the reason Vi is voting me or for the opposite one?
I'm saying you're stretching in unbelievable ways, taking what should be a 'getting to know you' flavor claim and trying to turn it into a scum tell. That only dumb scum do.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:44 am
by VP Baltar
↑Sotty7 wrote:From what I have seen of Quliford he does this kinda thing, it's a null tell. But you were all over it like it was a massive thing. I don't see it. I think you blew it up.
I blew it up like a massive thing because I questioned him on it and voted him when he didn't answer? Also, I've never played with Quilford that I recall (though I admittedly have a bad memory for that kind of thing), so I'm just gonna calls em like I sees em. Didn't look null to me. Looked like buddying. Only scum are gonna have town reads at that point in the game because they know who the town is.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:00 am
by Sotty7
Buddying how? Quilscum/metown?
↑VP Baltar wrote:Only scum are gonna have town reads at that point in the game because they know who the town is.
This isn't strictly true. The reads just won't be very strong.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:16 am
by VP Baltar
Yeah, if buddying was taking place there it was quilscum/Sottytown.
My point is that it's impossible to get a town read out of "vote:jason". I don't really care if Quilford is quick to make reads and that's his meta. I don't honestly believe anyone could get a town read out of something like that. I'm not criticizing him having scummy or town vibes from posts where there is actually something to interpret, but no one could get town vibes from a contentless RVS vote. Conversely, scum can easily get a town read from that because they know if you're town or not.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:19 am
by glowball
↑VP Baltar wrote:You're really that gullible, Sotty? since when? Xvart explains it exactly as it is. I don't care about Quilford having a town read on you. The problem is that there was absolutely nothing there to declare a town read based upon. It is a scummy tactic because it's not a legitimate read (he claims they are not random after all!). It's one thing to call someone scummy early game over something minor as a way to get the ball rolling, and it's something entirely different to buddy someone by calling them town over nothing...which apparently worked on you.
While I can understand the premise of the lewarcher wagon, that certainly shot up fast. I at least suggest we don't throw anyone to L-1 quickly while Roxi is waiting in the wings. If scum control that animal, we need to watch out for quick hammers.
You really think scum would quick hammer this early and reveal their extra vote. They'd surely be gone the next day.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:25 am
by VP Baltar
Well, I'm operating under the premise that whoever has Roxie can vote in secret since no one has fessed up to having that pet. If it's a public vote, then clearly what I said is moot. If no one comes forward to claim Roxie, then I think it's worth being cautious around.
↑Quilford wrote:I did but I don't understand what Angry Birds has to do with this and now my brain hurts ow ow ow
It was a dumb joke anyway.
CONTENT!
↑VP Baltar wrote:You're really that gullible, Sotty? since when? Xvart explains it exactly as it is. I don't care about Quilford having a town read on you. The problem is that there was absolutely nothing there to declare a town read based upon. It is a scummy tactic because it's not a legitimate read (he claims they are not random after all!). It's one thing to call someone scummy early game over something minor as a way to get the ball rolling, and it's something entirely different to buddy someone by calling them town over nothing...which apparently worked on you.
While I can understand the premise of the lewarcher wagon, that certainly shot up fast. I at least suggest we don't throw anyone to L-1 quickly while Roxi is waiting in the wings. If scum control that animal, we need to watch out for quick hammers.
Oh man... VPB tries to goad Sotty into this with a sort of insulting challenge, then just goes on to say 'xvart was right' and regurgitate information.
↑Sotty7 wrote:l tell. But you were all over it like it was a massive thing. I don't see it. I think you blew it up.
Jason, I feel you over justified a throw away random vote, just twinged my gut which is why I voted you. I like to figure you out ASAP so I know if we can team up to destroy the world or not.
HAHA OK then. I know you always like to try and figure me out early. I usually put some comment in the random vote as to why, sometimes whitty, sometimes looking deadly serious.
Quilford - I also defend you as town, more so actually. 70s show was an exception to that. As scum I usually push for your lynch heavily I believe..
I'm going to start policy voting every motherfucker who tries to use selfmeta.
I'm not sure what to make of jason here. He's probably middle of the pack as far as reads go. Vi is screaming town to me, now.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:04 am
by VP Baltar
↑xRECKONERx wrote:Oh man... VPB tries to goad Sotty into this with a sort of insulting challenge, then just goes on to say 'xvart was right' and regurgitate information.
So you're suggesting I was implying something other than what xvart said when I went after Quilford well before him? Do tell.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:08 am
by VP Baltar
Also, what information did I regurgitate exactly?
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:11 am
by Ghostlin
↑VP Baltar wrote:Well, I'm operating under the premise that whoever has Roxie can vote in secret since no one has fessed up to having that pet. If it's a public vote, then clearly what I said is moot. If no one comes forward to claim Roxie, then I think it's worth being cautious around.
I feel funny about this post. It reads like passive aggressive rolefishing to me. I'm not ok with someone going 'I have Roxie and my pet can vote', particularly since if Roxie is in the votecount, we should be able to see where Roxie's vote is.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:15 am
by xRECKONERx
↑VP Baltar wrote:So you're suggesting I was implying something other than what xvart said when I went after Quilford well before him? Do tell.
I'm saying you went after him first, and xvart gave you a reason for doing so afterthefact.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:16 am
by Kublai Khan
↑xRECKONERx wrote:I'm going to start policy voting every motherfucker who tries to use selfmeta.
If I were drinking something, that'd be a spit-take right about now.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:21 am
by xRECKONERx
Can you elaborate or are you going to continue to be as useless and terrible here as you have been the past 3-4 games I've played with you?