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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:52 pm

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VOTE COUNT 1.5

AKA The "Start of New Page" Votecount


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Kassadin (3) - drmyshotgun, kondi2424, Heilograph
drmyshotgun (1) - Kamikrazy
Heilograph (1) - Kassadin
Vincent2128 (0) -
kondi2424 (0) -
Kamikrazy (0) -

Not Voting: Vincent2128

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Tuesday, April 10, 2012 at 05:25pm PDT or in (expired on 2012-04-10 17:25:00)
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:26 pm

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UNVOTE:

Heilograph is leaning scum for me. He seemed to be in RVS until his last two posts. His unvote and then revote worries me. He also doesn't seem to have much of a reason at all to be voting Kassadin.
@Heilo:
Why did you say you didn't want Kassadin lynched today, and then vote him right after? What changed between those two posts?

drmyshotgun is absolutely town. He can only be scum if his partner is Vincent. But he's not, so I won't delve into that.

Vincent is leaning town. I really like some of the points he brings up, but he's being too passive.
@Vincent:
Who are your top two scumreads and why?

Kassadin is leaning town right now. He seems like he's trying to form reads, and although I don't agree with his reads at all, they are from a town perspective. For example, the fact that he hasn't really voted anyone but has called things "strange" and "interesting" shows that he doesn't really care about shifting things onto someone else. Though this could just be scum who REALLY doesn't care about us, I'm thinking it's town.
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Who are your top two scumreads?

Kamikrazy is a scum read for me. He's been pushing on drmyshotgun, my biggest townread, in almost every post, and I don't like the way he's going about it. First of all, he hasn't bothered telling us why our view is wrong. Plus, I've been doing the same thing - heck, I
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the PL idea and have shown less reasoning towards it - yet he chooses to only zone in on drmyshotgun. I also REALLY don't like his WIFOM in Post #72, where he says "If I were scum...". If you were scum, you would be convincing people you are town. Hammering Kassadin at L-1 does not make people think you're town. Convincing people to get off of a PL wagon does. Ergo, WIFOM.

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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:41 pm

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kondi2424 wrote:UNVOTE:


Kamikrazy is a scum read for me. He's been pushing on drmyshotgun, my biggest townread, in almost every post, and I don't like the way he's going about it. First of all, he hasn't bothered telling us why our view is wrong. Plus, I've been doing the same thing - heck, I
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the PL idea and have shown less reasoning towards it - yet he chooses to only zone in on drmyshotgun. I also REALLY don't like his WIFOM in Post #72, where he says "If I were scum...". If you were scum, you would be convincing people you are town. Hammering Kassadin at L-1 does not make people think you're town. Convincing people to get off of a PL wagon does. Ergo, WIFOM.

VOTE: Kamikrazy


I have explained a multitude of different times that I think any PL in a game with a limited amount of lynches is a terrible idea. Why do you feel like I haven't done an adequate job of explaining this?

Additionally, you've made a one-liner post since i've started defending Kassadin versus Shotguns continual insistence on the lynch. I'm not sure how you can act as if you are even in the same boat as him.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:48 pm

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I'll try to explain this again. PLing on D1 is good because, if we lynch badly D1, we have a screwed over chance with someone terrible in the game that can either be easily pushed, easily convinced, or unreadable. If we lynch that person D1, we have a decent shot in a LyLo if that person flips town. Or they could flip scum, and we win.

Now, explain your side. We're going to settle this like men.

On the second point, it's valid, but why did you only mention drmyshotgun on Post #44, and not me? We were on the same level at that point.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:36 pm

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It's simple, I would rather take two shots at killing scum even if it means pulling teeth with someone at LyLo. There's a shot that we can end the game right now, and I think our best bet at winning the game is utilizing every opportunity for a win we can get. If that ends up coming as a scum read from Kassadin then so be it, but I want our lynch to be on someone we are most confident is scum.

In short, why worry about LyLo when we can win right now?

In #44 I just said in general I don't want to PL and then pointed out the hypocrisy in his statement.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:41 pm

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Let me reword that, actually.

You would prefer to lynch scum, but you call drmy scummy for wanting to PL instead of lynching scum. However, that is because drmy doesn't have any other scumleads. Your only scumlead is on drmy. How can anybody lynch scum if nobody has a scumread to go for?
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:44 pm

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@Kondi: Kami is a
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scumread for now, Helio I've commented on before and still waiting for a response.
I'm kinda seeing Kami trying to masquerade as defending against PLing Kass when actually he's mafialovers with Kass.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:48 pm

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Kami strongly leaning scum now. All pretty much depends what Kassadin says now.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:18 pm

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Vincent2128 wrote:Let me reword that, actually.

You would prefer to lynch scum, but you call drmy scummy for wanting to PL instead of lynching scum. However, that is because drmy doesn't have any other scumleads. Your only scumlead is on drmy. How can anybody lynch scum if nobody has a scumread to go for?


If we could actually progress away from this whole PL ordeal we could actually get some information to work with.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:27 pm

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Heilograph is leaning scum for me. He seemed to be in RVS until his last two posts. His unvote and then revote worries me. He also doesn't seem to have much of a reason at all to be voting Kassadin. @Heilo: Why did you say you didn't want Kassadin lynched today, and then vote him right after? What changed between those two posts?


In the midst of all this arguing between PLing and defending myself, I completely overlooked this. I would be more than comfortable with a Heilo wagon. There was a three hour window between Heilo saying he didn't want to lynch Kass and then saying that he did because he's been inactive. Nothing at all about #65 is even true...Add on to the fact that he justifies his vote by trying to get the game more active while being the least active player; that doesn't bode well with me.

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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:16 am

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Kami's last post seriously derails things. Come to think of it, I do think scum would have jumped on the Kass wagon right now.
I think I've been wrong in considering Helio as leaning Town just because he was opting for PL.
Scum would want to go for PL too (if the person getting a PL is a Town).

Kass hasn't been lynched yet and his bare survival can tell us two things:
He's either Town with a scum on board the wagon already with another just not wanting to get attention from Hammer.
Or he's a Scum with all the Town on his wagon with just one more Town left to go for him. His partner isn't on the wagon.

Helio case developed by Kondi and further developed by Kami does look very solid and plausible.
unvote

For now and depending on Kass and Helio reaction, I shall take appropriate action.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:25 am

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That's WIFOM, IMO. Scum could easily stay off of Kassadin to frame him later for tomorrow's lynch or get attention off of themselves when someone DOES vote him. Kami certainly looks intelligent enough to think of this, but it's null.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:17 am

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Seems to just follow the wagon (Heliograph)
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:30 am

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kondi2424 wrote:
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:38 pm

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Kassadin wrote:Seems to just follow the wagon (Heliograph)

So???? You really have to do more than that. Please?
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:40 pm

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Requesting a prod on Heliograph - It's been almost a day and a half since he's last posted.

As it stands this game isn't likely to progress anywhere until Helio starts responding and possibly (Although not likely) Kassadin starts to actually contribute. Given that, can we try to do something productive in the mean time like looking more in depth into the possibility of a Helio-scum?

A couple of things to note that haven't been brought up yet:

Shotgun, you say that you initially got a town read on Helio for wanting to PL lynch. However, as far as I can see his vote wasn't a PL vote at all. This differentiation between Kondi/Your votes and his is definitely worth noting.

I also really don't like his answer to #6 during the RQS. I don't know why this wasn't addressed at all, but this is the most passive answer you could possibly give.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:51 pm

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Heilograph wrote:

Some Random Questions!
1. Do you like Tangents?
2. Who's ID do you like the most in this game appart from yourself?
3. Do you think the Town will win this game in Day 1?
4. Jackal's Cat looks creepy. Agree?
5. Do you love WIFOMs?
6. Who would you most want to be partners with when you are scum in this game?
7. Chocolates or Apples?
8. Maths or English?
9. The Dark Knight or Avatar?
10. How many times have you played on this site so far (include the ongoing games during the crash)?

1. really only like tangent planes to spheres because they look like a graduation cap.
2. kass... for reason i said earlier.
3. prob not, maybe day 3. I dont want to rule out a D1 win, it could always happen.
4. Never just a cat in my eyes.
5. Some cases, makes the game more interesting.
6. Eh, prob be noone. having a partner is like marriage. your stuck with em. they turn you in. personally i enjoy the lone wolf type of style. but if i had to choose , i would pick you drmyshotgun.

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8. math
9. when kids are home - avatar... when they are away dark knight.
10. 4 i believe

Indeed! Damn.
Perhaps he was teamed up with someone he doesn't really like?
Also, I am ashamed that I didn't see this earlier too.
Kamikrazy wrote:Shotgun, you say that you initially got a town read on Helio for wanting to PL lynch. However, as far as I can see his vote wasn't a PL vote at all. This differentiation between Kondi/Your votes and his is definitely worth noting.

I was the one who was opting for a Policy Lynch. I just thought people who voted on Kass agreed that we require a PL.
If Kass is Town (I'm positive that he is, now that things turn this way on Helio), that means there iis another Scum outside the ring.
Since Kami is opting for Helio=Scum and unlikely to unvote when the Town heads for his lynch. This shows that Kami is definitely not a scum and is therefore voting correctly.
Kondi threw the lead we have right now but instead voted on Kami. But I have serious Town-tell from Kondi in his attitude towards Town's progress.
The only person remaining? Vincent. He hasn't really developed anything out of anyone. I think he's a Scum not wanting to get any attention to himself AND silently cruise through.
Vote: Heliograph


@Kondi: Now that you saw Kami's recent actions, what do you think about him? Still scummy? If so, who could be his partner?
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:02 pm

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Kami hasn't changed my view of him very well, but instead has sort of nulled it a bit. I agree that Heilo needs more attention at this point than Kami.

I really wish Kami would give me something to indicate that he is town, though. A me-drmyshotgun-Kami town trio would be amazing and would surface the win.

Is Heilo at L-1?
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:05 pm

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VOTE COUNT 1.6

AKA The "Prodding someone who's at L-1" Votecount



L-1
Heilograph (3) - Kassadin, Kamikrazy, drmyshotgun
Kassadin (1) - Heilograph
Kamikrazy (1) - kondi2424
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Vincent2128 (0) -
kondi2424 (0) -

Not Voting: Vincent2128

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Tuesday, April 10, 2012 at 05:25pm PDT or in (expired on 2012-04-10 17:25:00)

Kamikrazy wrote:Requesting a prod on Heliograph - It's been almost a day and a half since he's last posted.


It has in fact been 2 1/2 days. Heilograph has been prodded.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:10 pm

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I just realized Helio was on L-1.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:15 pm

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*resisting urge to hammer*
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:20 pm

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Its alright to Hammer.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:35 pm

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drmyshotgun wrote:Its alright to Hammer.


Booo no it's not.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:52 pm

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Still waiting for a response from Helio to my questions a few pages back, I don't intend to hammer him before he gets back (if he does)
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:49 pm

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@Mod: I will be on vacation in New Zealand form the 31st to the 11th, if you don't want to wait for me to come back then feel free to replace me.
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