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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:27 am

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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:28 am

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Am I missing something in GL's post? I'm confused here.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:08 pm

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VOTE COUNT


armlx
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Fuldu, darquiel, Dranko20, Phoebus

Phoebus
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NanookTheWolf, Aureal, armlx

Nanookthewolf
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Bamboomancer

GreenLiquid
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Yosarian2


Not Voting
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CaptainDuctTape, GreenLiquid, Tyfo,


It's
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:46 pm

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I'm confused as well, but at least it gives me someone to vote for

Vote: Yosarian2


Seems rather scummy to just jump in and vote for someone without giving any reasons.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:30 pm

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Why is it scummy to vote without giving any reasons?

But if you want a reason, here is one.

When I voted for you, you had exactally 3 posts in the thread so far.
GreenLiquid wrote:So Tyfo is definately innocent? That role sounds sucky, it would make him a huge mafia target.
Not helpfull. At best, pointless chatter; at worse, you're playing guessing games with the doc. Either way, I don't like it.
GreenLiquid wrote:
Is anybody up for some role speculation?
Scummy as it may sound, it could be of use to us.

Libra is dead.
Virgo = innocent

The twins must be masons or we'd not have 12 players.
Cancer/Scorpio/Taurus = killers of some sort? Perhaps Leo along with them? He could be blocker/strong townie.
Aquarius = healer (water)
Sagi can also be killer.
Aries = blocker??townie??
Capricorn = copricorn?

For what it's worth, this were the lines along which I was thinking when I was contemplating a zodiac mafia.
From my experience, and I've been scum a good number of times, speculation is one of the most used tactics by scum to appear pro town

Whaa?

FOS: Phoebus
Quibbling about semantics to FOS Phoebus. And yet, you FOS'd him, but never voted for him.

GreenLiquid wrote:So it's a definate no-lynch at DL? Yikes!

I, as a pro-town player, still find speculation helpful. Remember that if the town uses synergy, it can do a lot better than scum.
First sentance makes little sense.

Second sentance is worse, especally the part where you declare yourself a pro-town player.

Out of your three posts, the first and third are filler at best and both are borderline scummy, and I don't like how you helped start the Phoebus bandwagon with a FOS...and then never even mentioned the bandwagon again, at all.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:49 pm

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Good, that's all I wanted.
Unvote: Yosarian


But...
Quibbling about semantics to FOS Phoebus. And yet, you FOS'd him, but never voted for him.
Perhaps that's because I didn't think that was worthy of a vote, just worthy of pointing out.
First sentance makes little sense.

Second sentance is worse, especally the part where you declare yourself a pro-town player.

Out of your three posts, the first and third are filler at best and both are borderline scummy, and I don't like how you helped start the Phoebus bandwagon with a FOS...and then never even mentioned the bandwagon again, at all.
1) First sentence makes little sense? I was simply commenting on the above post.

2) I had no intention of starting a bandwagon, but it doesn't seem like it's going anywhere, so I see no need to try to get everyone to quickly stop it. I just found the Pheobus thing as something quirky.

Those last two post of yours seem quite very scum and reaching for some reason to vote for someone. I'm not going to vote you back just yet, but I think that there's something up with your desperateness to put on a vote.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:25 pm

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GreenLiquid wrote: Those last two post of yours seem quite very scum and reaching for some reason to vote for someone. I'm not going to vote you back just yet, but I think that there's something up with your desperateness to put on a vote.
(shrug) We're going to lynch someone tommorow, at the deadline. When it comes to it, I'll change my vote to either of the leading bandwagons rather then have a no-lynch if I have to, but I don't feel very confident about either of them right now, and so I wanted to go back, re-check the thread, and see if I could find any thing else I could dig up in the 11'th hour, to see if I could generate a little more information and/or see if I could find a better lynch target before the day ends.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:54 am

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Can we have a prod for Nanook please?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:42 am

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After reading everything I think its best that I leave my vote where it is, even though I didnt put it there.

At the moment Phoebus seems to be the lesser of two evils, and sicne we dont exactly have much to go on anyway as it is day one, I cant see anything else to do as I dont think a no lynch will help at all.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:24 am

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All right. I still don't really like the bandwagon that much, but it's better then a no-lynch, and the deadline is in a couple of hours so, as I promised to do

unvote


vote:Armix


That should be 5 votes, which should be enough to lynch him at the deadline unless someone unvotes before then. If Armix has anything else to say, and if there's anyone else online right now, we could still theoretically stop the bandwagon before that or move it to someone else, but it dosn't seem likely.

Oh, and
FOS:everyone who's not voting
. Not voting for anyone when a deadline comes up like this is suspicious, I think, because only scum would want a no-lynch today.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:47 am

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Deadline coming up. Looks like Armlx is going to be lynched regardlessly so
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:21 am

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If its not too late, I'll claim.

I am Leo. I am a jack of all trades. I have 1 RB, 1 doc protect, 1 vig kill, 1 cop investigation. There is flavor behind each, but I think some of it is kind of a stretch. Vig is obvious, RB is a lion's roar, and the others are related to some kind of sun god reference I do not understand.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:31 am

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Ummm...hmmm....

I wish you had claimed a little sooner.

As it is, there's got to be a way to test that claim...eh, screw it, I'd rather risk a no-lynch then lynch a confirmable townie, especally one with such useful abilities.

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If you do manage to avoid getting lynched, armlx, you need to use your cop investigation tonight, and give us the results tommorow.

The way I figure it, if he's telling the truth, the town would be better off missing a lynch and getting losing a cop investigation.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:32 am

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By the way, just figured I might as well ask:

Mod: Is there any way we could get a short extention on the deadline? Another 48 hours would be really helpfull right now.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:59 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:Ummm...hmmm....

I wish you had claimed a little sooner.

As it is, there's got to be a way to test that claim...eh, screw it, I'd rather risk a no-lynch then lynch a confirmable townie, especally one with such useful abilities.

unvote


vote:phoebus


If you do manage to avoid getting lynched, armlx, you need to use your cop investigation tonight, and give us the results tommorow.

The way I figure it, if he's telling the truth, the town would be better off missing a lynch and getting losing a cop investigation.
Umm...no. First of all, a one-shot cop investigation wouldn't confirm him, so you're suggesting giving him at least two extra days on the chance that this isn't made up. Secondly, this isn't as readily confirmable as you seem to think. One shot usages mean pretty much wasting one of them in an attempt to get a player confirmed. Cop and doc aren't confirmable in this way, so we're talking about a vig (always dangerous, and can be tough to disentangle from scum kills) or RB (runs the risk of blocking either someone without a night action or someone with an incentive to lie about having been blocked).

But more than that, you're getting bothered by the fact that this claim came so close to the deadline, but you move your vote to the other player who's likely to be lynched at deadline, making it highly unlikely that he'll have the opportunity to claim, if he feels it's necessary. That just seems inconsistent to me.

In any event, I'm content to leave my vote on armlx and if he turns up scum, I'll be taking a close look at you tomorrow. Probably even if he doesn't turn up scum.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:40 pm

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And when I turn up town, lynch Fuldu.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:14 pm

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Fuldu wrote: Umm...no. First of all, a one-shot cop investigation wouldn't confirm him, so you're suggesting giving him at least two extra days on the chance that this isn't made up.
No, it won't. But he's also claimed roleblocker and vig. THose are both easily confirmable claims.

The reason I don't want to lynch him today is simple. He uses his investigation tonight, and tells us what is is tommorow. Eventually, we'll find out if he's town or scum, either through his death or through some other method. Once we do that, then if he is town, we know his investigation was correct, and at the very least he confirmes an innocent. That's a huge deal; at the very least, if we're going to lynch him, we want to wait until he uses his investigation and tells us the results first, just in case he is a townie.
Fuldu wrote: Secondly, this isn't as readily confirmable as you seem to think. One shot usages mean pretty much wasting one of them in an attempt to get a player confirmed. Cop and doc aren't confirmable in this way, so we're talking about a vig (always dangerous, and can be tough to disentangle from scum kills) or RB (runs the risk of blocking either someone without a night action or someone with an incentive to lie about having been blocked).
Vig is easy to confirm. Roleblocker is often even easier, if there's either a pro-town vig or a minor pro-town role that dosn't mind being blocked. It's almost always a mistake to lynch a confirmable roleclaim on day 1.
Fuldu wrote: But more than that, you're getting bothered by the fact that this claim came so close to the deadline, but you move your vote to the other player who's likely to be lynched at deadline, making it highly unlikely that he'll have the opportunity to claim, if he feels it's necessary. That just seems inconsistent to me.

In any event, I'm content to leave my vote on armlx and if he turns up scum, I'll be taking a close look at you tomorrow. Probably even if he doesn't turn up scum.
(shrug) I realize that what I'm doing might make me look suspicious, but I think that it's also the right thing to do for the town. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:21 pm

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Yosarian2 wrote:Vig is easy to confirm. Roleblocker is often even easier, if there's either a pro-town vig or a minor pro-town role that dosn't mind being blocked. It's almost always a mistake to lynch a confirmable roleclaim on day 1.
But these are one-shots. Those each require a) a target that we feel is appropriate, and in the case of RB, especially, that means somebody else has to come out and be willing to waste their night action, and b) that we're willing to waste one of those choices on getting him confirmed. And you're still talking about giving him two more days to live before we can even consider to what extent he is confirmed. At this stage of Day 1, I don't think that's worthwhile. I don't find this role entirely credible, and I don't think we're losing nearly as valuable a role as you seem to if I'm wrong.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:46 pm

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Sorry for not posting, It's finals week and this got knocked off of my list. After my last final I'll make an effort to read up.
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It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:33 pm

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Hm, I'm not sure I buy armlx's claim either, but I'm not sure it matters that much. If he is town, isn't he rather likely to get killed tonight because the mafia would rather get rid of someone with dangerous powers than randomly kill someone who might not be a threat at all? At any rate, right now I'd still rather lynch Phoebus, who's seemed the most scummy to me.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:02 pm

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Deadline extension granted -
Friday 6PM


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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:22 pm

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Excellent! DL extention.
I am Leo. I am a jack of all trades. I have 1 RB, 1 doc protect, 1 vig kill, 1 cop investigation. There is flavor behind each, but I think some of it is kind of a stretch. Vig is obvious, RB is a lion's roar, and the others are related to some kind of sun god reference I do not understand.

I'm not so sure I believe Armlx's claim. That kind of role seems really powerful. Could you at least explain the sun god reference?

For now I'll unvote Armlx though to play it safe.

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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:46 am

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unvote armlx, Vote green liquid
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:58 am

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Aureal, you've made no real attempt to say why I'm scummy.

Yosarian, care to elaborate?

unvote: armlx
currently.
Share the sun god references? What's that got to do with Leo?
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:27 am

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Fuldu wrote:But these are one-shots. Those each require a) a target that we feel is appropriate, and in the case of RB, especially, that means somebody else has to come out and be willing to waste their night action, and b) that we're willing to waste one of those choices on getting him confirmed.
Well, yes, we might have to use one of his one shots in order to confirm his claim. It would be much more useful to do that then to lynch him, though, if he is telling the truth; after all, if he is a good guy and we lynch him, we lose all 4 abilities. If he is lying, which I agree is quite possible, that I don't see how he'll be able to fake those abilities he's claimed. Faking cop claims is tricky enough as scum; faking a role-block is really risky and difficult unless the scum do have a roleblocker; and faking a vig kill is usually impossible. If he's lying, we'll figure it out. If he's telling the truth, we'll figure that out to.
Fuldu wrote: And you're still talking about giving him two more days to live before we can even consider to what extent he is confirmed. At this stage of Day 1, I don't think that's worthwhile.
(shrug) It's day 1. I think that with the role he has claimed, it's going to be impossible for him to "fake" it for long, so long as we're willing test his abilities. In a few days, I think we'll know for sure if he's scum or not, it seems like lynching him before then is foolish.
Fuldu wrote: I don't find this role entirely credible, and I don't think we're losing nearly as valuable a role as you seem to if I'm wrong.
One single cop investigation, one confirmed innocent or one caught scum, improves the town's odds significantly in a game this small. At the very least, it should help the town's odds if we get his investigative results before we lynch him, just in case he is town. Besides, any confirmable role is a bad day 1 lynch, even if it's someting of fairly low value, because
if we can confirm a person as a townie, that helps our odds.

Anyway, I'm glad we have a little more time; thanks, Mod. Like I said earlier, I don't really like the Phoebus bandwagon either, I only joined it because I liked it better then lynching a claimed cop or having a no-lynch, which appeared to be the other two options at the time. Now that we have a little more time, I'm going to go back to my main suspect.

unvote:Phoebus

vote:GreenLiquid
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