Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Didi]

I think I made it quite clear already that the noting was just a comment to apply pressure. Indeed, true evidence I might keep to myself until it's needed. However, at the moment we know nothing yet so isn't it all townies' job exactly to pry and pressure and try and get as much reactions and thus information as possible?

I don't totally buy your meta me comment yet, since I just get an odd feeling when talking to you, all your posts seem to hide something /instinct. So for now, my vote stays on you. But relax, if you're truly innocent I'm sure I'll come around and even if not, it's just 1 vote. My hunch isn't strong enough yet that I'll try and drag others into this. I'll just see how this all develops, and maybe try and pressure some other people.




What's V/LA?

[MP5]

Hi, everyone
This is my first game ever, so
Let us all have fun!

VOTE: KingPin96

Because avatar.
Counter Strike is the only
Worthwhile source game, bro.

;D

This was Xiao Long's first post of the game, and the first thing that stuck out to me of what had been posted.

Muttley reads town to me because of the dry reaction to the question in post #36, maybe its just because its something very similar to what I might say. FSnake is town also for that early questioning, its a little misguided (Muttley also had a very "dry" tone in posts #14 and #16 so I don't think he seemed "afraid" as FSnake put) but got something started, which is nice.

Back to Xiao. His very first post, and he comes in sounding - excited. Very excited. Could just be someone in their first mafia game? Well, I would've thought so previously, but for the fact that the IC in my last newbie game (1315) pointed it out as a scum tell, and not even on a newbie but an SE - to my surprise, it turned out to be accurate.

Since then, Xiao posts a little fluff, asks if it was for a reaction, and then posts that he thinks the motivation for the topic of discussion is reaction testing. Well, you don't get much of a reaction when they ask "Is this to get a reaction?" I'm still happy keeping my vote here.

Liking the activity from Didi, not going to commit on an alignment here yet but I haven't seen too much to bother me, so heading townwards. Want more activity from our IC (kettle? black? pot? ), maybe "substance" is the better word . Xeg is aggressive, will get a stronger read as we go along, gut feel is slightly unsettling but nothing I can put any sort of finger on. KP96 asked an OK question (then disappeared ), Voodoo is legit so far so I'll peg her as town. I think that covers it so far.

@FSnake - we've left RVS now. You still happy with your vote?
@Muttley - please put your serious face on. Who is scum?
@Voodoo - what "different reasons" for suspecting Muttley?

What's V/LA?

Vacation/Limited Access. Basically, not going to post for a couple of days (or if can post, just minimal).

[Mutleyddmc]

I will answer that question later. Currently working so will read properly when I am home. Didnt want people to think I was missing!

[Xiao Long]

Back to Xiao. His very first post, and he comes in sounding - excited. Very excited. Could just be someone in their first mafia game? Well, I would've thought so previously, but for the fact that the IC in my last newbie game (1315) pointed it out as a scum tell, and not even on a newbie but an SE - to my surprise, it turned out to be accurate.

Well, it's my first game.
But this doesn't seem like a
good enough reason.
As you may well know,
people are different and
act differently.

Since then, Xiao posts a little fluff, asks if it was for a reaction, and then posts that he thinks the motivation for the topic of discussion is reaction testing. Well, you don't get much of a reaction when they ask "Is this to get a reaction?" I'm still happy keeping my vote here.

I asked because there
was nothing indicating
I'm scum in my posts.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.03

Xiao Long (2) - MP5, FSnake
Didi (1) - Xegarus
Voodoo Lady (1) - Mutleyddmc
Xegarus (1) - Didi

Not Voting (4) - theslimer3, Voodoo Lady, KingPin96, Xiao Long

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

Xegarus is V/LA until March 17.

[KingPin96]

@Mp5 you voted for him at the time the majority of players were posting fluff, his posts concerning pressuring/reacting came after. Also, accusing someone of being scummy for being excited early game (also considering its his first) isnt a very valid reason.

Vote: Mp5

What makes you think excitement indicates scumminess?

[FSnake]

Maybe you didn't see it because it was at the bottom of my post, but I'll ask it again:

FSnake, whose side are you on?

I'm town. But wouldn't scumMe say the same thing?

@FSnake - we've left RVS now. You still happy with your vote?

I voted Xiao in my not thought through plan only because he had a vote on him and annoyed me a little bit with his post-formats. Now you made me think about his "is this a reaction test" questions and i'm happy with my vote staying on him until i get better reads. The only other one i got a bad gut-feeling is Mutley and he wanted to post later, perhaps i change my mind then.

my other reads right now...xer-didi back and forth seems like to townies to me. but i read a few weeks ago a game where xer was participating and i remembered him to say what he thinks, maybe this influences me there.

Slimer - null, with a little distrust based on my little experience. was really mislead in the game i replaced out by Thor as SE-scum (altough i asked for replacement i obviously followed the game to finish and never would have put Thor as scum)

KP - not much there, town motivated start in the day and away for the rest of the time. but i was the same in my first game and would probably still be more quiet if i hadn't came to the resolve that only reading and posting one post a day isn't going to make me better at scumhunting. overall null for me

Voodoo - until her last post i was slightly leaning town, but the "Whoops" in her explanation about posting an hour later and not seeing Didi respond makes it null again. somehow i don't like this post about being away for an hour and posting without checking, but it's not enough to make me think she is scum.

MP5 - leaning town, but i fell for arguments-walls of the wrong guy before and put my vote (in this case let it stay) where his was. trying to be cautious

Mutley - not much there, the first one i got suspicous off but awaiting the answers he promised.

@xiao - Perhaps you did't understand Didis post about your post-format because it looks on your device like your own post. Your formatting is bad because your sentences break in a new column after 3-5words, really annoying to read. What device are you using to post?

p-edit: i read KPs concern about MP5 and it strongens my believe to be cautious about him, but i have to go for now and will think about it when i'm back (probably tomorrow)

[Didi]

Sometimes people phrase it weirdly or react flustered when they're actually mafia (because some people are awful liars). You sound fairly genuine though, so I'll believe you for now.


Atm besides Xegarus I also suspect Slimer, I would expect more meaningful input from an experienced player.

[Xiao Long]

annoyed me a little bit with his post-formats.

I believe this is
policy lynching, correct?
Not a good reason.

Now you made me think about his "is this a reaction test" questions and i'm happy with my vote staying on him until i get better reads.

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

@xiao - Perhaps you did't understand Didis post about your post-format because it looks on your device like your own post. Your formatting is bad because your sentences break in a new column after 3-5words, really annoying to read. What device are you using to post?

My formatting is
actually on the mark.
Think about it some.

[Mutleyddmc]

Right there is never going to be a lot to go on day 1. Mafia unlikely to slip up as they will know who they are and be careful on what they say. Obviously. If I had to pick, I would go with a choice of 4 at the moment. The slimer. MP5, snake and kingpin. No real suspicious though, could have easily have just random generated those and got as good a guess.

[Voodoo Lady]

Right there is never going to be a lot to go on day 1. Mafia unlikely to slip up as they will know who they are and be careful on what they say. Obviously. If I had to pick, I would go with a choice of 4 at the moment. The slimer. MP5, snake and kingpin. No real suspicious though, could have easily have just random generated those and got as good a guess.

There's no way this could possibly be construed as an answer to any of the questions asked of you. Perhaps I should ask again.

VOTE: Mutley

1) Were you threatened by Didi's vote on you?
2) What was the point of the "easily swayed" comment?

[theslimer3]

Well, it's my first game.
But this doesn't seem like a
good enough reason.
As you may well know,
people are different and
act differently.

That sounds like a very very weak response. I'm going to have to add some more pressure to you, buddy.
VOTE: Xiao

Slimer - null, with a little distrust based on my little experience. was really mislead in the game i replaced out by Thor as SE-scum (altough i asked for replacement i obviously followed the game to finish and never would have put Thor as scum)

I have no idea what this just said. I'm not making fun of you if English isn't your native language, but could you rephrase this please?

Atm besides Xegarus I also suspect Slimer, I would expect more meaningful input from an experienced player.

Glad to play the part, and I still have the heart, but how can I begin with such a delayed start?

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

(....)

My formatting is
actually on the mark.
Think about it some.

Are you on psp or something?
But really, the way you structure your sentences disrupt what you're saying through false punctuation.
At first it seemed like you were doing Haiku, and I didn't bother to check,

But your first sentence,
and the rest then following
are not 5 7 5.

Right there is never going to be a lot to go on day 1. Mafia unlikely to slip up as they will know who they are and be careful on what they say. Obviously. If I had to pick, I would go with a choice of 4 at the moment. The slimer. MP5, snake and kingpin. No real suspicious though, could have easily have just random generated those and got as good a guess.

Hows about reading the thread some more then? I know it can be a drag, but there's something built in you that will click when you think you spot mafia. It's in all of us, though we're most times wrong.

[Didi]

Xiao and Muttley jumping up there in the suspicion list with extremely weak/dodgy responses

[Xiao Long]

That sounds like a very very weak response. I'm going to have to add some more pressure to you, buddy.
VOTE: Xiao

A weak response to a baseless accusation.

Are you on psp or something?
But really, the way you structure your sentences disrupt what you're saying through false punctuation.
At first it seemed like you were doing Haiku, and I didn't bother to check,

But your first sentence,
and the rest then following
are not 5 7 5.

Um, what? Maybe you should recount your syllables.

Xiao and Muttley jumping up there in the suspicion list with extremely weak/dodgy responses

What is dodgy about my response? If you feel like I'm scum, then vote for me, however this wagon MP5 has started against me is retarded and baseless. And with how quickly FSnake and Slimer have jumped on it, I'm finding it hard to not see them as scum.

VOTE: MP5

[Voodoo Lady]

If you feel like I'm scum, then vote for me, however this wagon MP5 has started against me is retarded and baseless. And with how quickly FSnake and Slimer have jumped on it, I'm finding it hard to not see them as scum.

VOTE: MP5

Hold up a sec. MP5 is scum because he's started a wagon against you, and FSnake and Slimer are scum because they've jumped on it...? They pretty obviously can't all be scum.

[Xiao Long]

If you feel like I'm scum, then vote for me, however this wagon MP5 has started against me is retarded and baseless. And with how quickly FSnake and Slimer have jumped on it, I'm finding it hard to not see them as scum.

VOTE: MP5

Hold up a sec. MP5 is scum because he's started a wagon against you, and FSnake and Slimer are scum because they've jumped on it...? They pretty obviously can't all be scum.

It's still too early for me to narrow it down, so I have a top three atm. Does that not make sense?

[Voodoo Lady]

If you feel like I'm scum, then vote for me, however this wagon MP5 has started against me is retarded and baseless. And with how quickly FSnake and Slimer have jumped on it, I'm finding it hard to not see them as scum.

VOTE: MP5

Hold up a sec. MP5 is scum because he's started a wagon against you, and FSnake and Slimer are scum because they've jumped on it...? They pretty obviously can't all be scum.

It's still too early for me to narrow it down, so I have a top three atm. Does that not make sense?

Makes enough sense.

Out of curiosity, why have your posts suddenly lost the wonky formatting?

[Xiao Long]

Because people don't appreciate good poetry. ;.;

[Didi]

Nah man, haikus suck, I've never gotten why people like them

[MP5]

Quick phone post again.

I asked because there
was nothing indicating
I'm scum in my posts.

No, no, no, no!! Just no.
If you are trying to judge on your own scumminess, you're

doing it wrong.

What makes you think excitement indicates scumminess?

Fine.

Are you a native English speaker? And what different platforms do you use to write posts?

Nope, English is my second language (out of three), though like you, I have been speaking it for almost all of my life.

If I am posting, I am either doing it from a laptop, or a tablet. Very very rarely will I post from a phone.

To answer you Arthur I am in two other games and also I have completed 3 games

Hmm, okay, so I checked myself, and your first game on site (I believe) was scum.

I was mainly wanting to check if you had landed a scum role for the first time, as this:

Where is everyone? I want to get this party started!!!

usually comes from a person who has landed scum for the first (in a very weak way), because they're usually excited to have landed the alignment (but different people react in different ways so etc). But, uh, yea, you've been scum before

[MP5]

That was from newbie 1315, now kwll first post and ser Arthur Dayne (the IC) response. Kwll was indeed scum.

Do you have any idea how annoying that was to post from a phone? Grr.

As you also point out KP96, when I voted for him, people were posting fluff (it was rvs). Would you prefer me to vote for someone based on a known possible scum tell, or fluff?

His reaction trying to assert there is no reason is a sucky defence. He is still the most probable scum in my eyes at the moment.

[MP5]

*goes away muttering something about "trying to teach them to fish ..."*

[Xiao Long]

Nah man, haikus suck, I've never gotten why people like them

OBVIOUS SCUM, LYNCH NOW!

No, no, no, no!! Just no.
If you are trying to judge on your own scumminess, you're

doing it wrong.

Then how about actually explaining what was scummy in my posts AT THE TIME YOU VOTED. The only thing you explained that was scummy (at the time you voted) was that I was excited and then bullshit'd it by saying someone entirely different, in an entirely different game was also excited and ended up being scum.
Why is this dumb logic? Here's an example:
Let's assume you're from England.
I know someone from England who is really tall and likes black metal music.
You must also be really tall and like black metal music.
Does this make sense now?

[Xiao Long]

His reaction trying to assert there is no reason is a sucky defence. He is still the most probable scum in my eyes at the moment.

Forgive me for not writing an essay, I assumed you were reaction hunting by using crappy logic. Now I just think you're scum trying to start a wagon on the newest player.

[Mutleyddmc]

Right there is never going to be a lot to go on day 1. Mafia unlikely to slip up as they will know who they are and be careful on what they say. Obviously. If I had to pick, I would go with a choice of 4 at the moment. The slimer. MP5, snake and kingpin. No real suspicious though, could have easily have just random generated those and got as good a guess.

There's no way this could possibly be construed as an answer to any of the questions asked of you. Perhaps I should ask again.

VOTE: Mutley

1) Were you threatened by Didi's vote on you?
2) What was the point of the "easily swayed" comment?

I started to answer these pointless questions but decided I wouldnt waste my breath with pointless questions that have been answered. What was the point in you asking me?