Mafiascum.net

, again. Obviously, this claim doesn't clear me from being scum, but my play will make it clear soon enough.

As a warning, activity from me will be pretty low thanks to game overloading.

I will do what I can, though, to stay relatively active--V/la on weekends excluded, of course.

↑ GuyInFreezer wrote:So based on a flavour, I guess Locusts are scums?

↑ borkjerfkin wrote:It's a gut read based on something I can't prove he wasn't faking -- the gut part is that I don't think he was.

And if he is town, there are reasons for him to have done it other than it just being fluff.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

The point I'm making is that the way you handled the issue once it was being discussed doesn't seem consistent with your initial reaction to it.

I was also responding to several different angles of reservations about it; not all from you.

@AP - doubting ANG is scum.

@bork: if you read through the thread, however, all your posts that I mentioned were direct responses to me.

↑ AngryPidgeon wrote:@Mac: Ok, but if scum are doing it to appear more town then you are admitting that it is something town is also likely to do.

I disagree with this, by the way. Just because scum player X does something to try to look town, that doesn't mean town would do it.

Are we starting game today?

huh
^disreagard the post above.

Uh at Mastin's claim. I want to believe it. >.>

Chances are you aren't lying.

@Neo/Angel - the game started. What was the purpose of your self vote?
You say wake me up when the trolling stops, but what are you doing to stop the trolling? Nothing.

@ANG: this is my final stance on it and I'm not really interested in rehashing it again:

I think it is more likely that GIF is town actually asking a question, possibly for reaction testing purposes, then this is scum trying to fake a towntell. I am calling this decision a "gut read".

@NeroAngel: exactly what about the past couple pages constitutes trolling?

Although I have a feeling this is Angel I'm talking to.

↑ Piratecat wrote:Uh at Mastin's claim. I want to believe it. >.>

Chances are you aren't lying.

@Neo/Angel - the game started. What was the purpose of your self vote?
You say wake me up when the trolling stops, but what are you doing to stop the trolling? Nothing.

Everybody is trolling nobody is scumhunting.
Mastin claims unreasonable, I wonder why.

Scum meta read on ArcAngel

VOTE: Angelious Nero

↑ Angelious Nero wrote:Everybody is trolling nobody is scumhunting.

Hi.

↑ mastin2 wrote:

Claim: miller

, again. Obviously, this claim doesn't clear me from being scum, but my play will make it clear soon enough.

Correct miller protocol, but assuming you're serious about this you still can't be allowed anywhere near endgame. Nothing personal, just too much of an unknown quantity.

PEdit: Meta case on Day 1?
You serious, bork?

Mac and Mastin are probably town. Mastin is town for the hilarious WIFOM of claiming miller in a game with me. Not going to say much else on that right now. Bork seems town too as does Arcangel, but those are lesser reads.

ANG is still scum.

P-edit: Also lol at mastin. I feel bad for you but only a little : P

↑ AngryPidgeon wrote:Mac and Mastin are probably town. Mastin is town for the hilarious WIFOM of claiming miller in a game with me. Not going to say much else on that right now. Bork seems town too as does Arcangel, but those are lesser reads.

ANG is still scum.

P-edit: Also lol at mastin. I feel bad for you but only a little : P

This post gives me the impression that you honestly have no reason for calling me scum. Why not make a case instead of just naming me as your only person in the "not a town read" pile?

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:

↑ mastin2 wrote:

Claim: miller

, again. Obviously, this claim doesn't clear me from being scum, but my play will make it clear soon enough.

Correct miller protocol, but assuming you're serious about this you still can't be allowed anywhere near endgame. Nothing personal, just too much of an unknown quantity.

PEdit: Meta case on Day 1?
You serious, bork?

Yeah. She's not even addressing me when I ask about why this is "trolling", she's just complaining, which she does pretty much all game when she's scum. She's a cogent scumhunter when town.

That seems kinda a reach for this early in a game... I don't even particularly like meta cases at any point in a game, but this early just feels somewhat off.
@Angelius: have both heads posted, or is this just Arc/just Nero so far?

↑ Piratecat wrote:@Neo/Angel - the game started. What was the purpose of your self vote?
You say wake me up when the trolling stops, but what are you doing to stop the trolling? Nothing.

So now I'm someone from the Matrix. I've been in enough games to know nothing gets accomplished for along time in these games so I think I'll be pulling a Benmage and sitting back until I find something I can yell at/when the playerlist whittles down.

↑ borkjerfkin wrote:
@NeroAngel: exactly what about the past couple pages constitutes trolling?

If you really think that anything other than your hissy fight with GNR is content you are tremendously stupid. Your prolly both town and if anyone is scummy from that it was Mac.

Wow has this been Nero the whole time?

No, go away, I don't want to play your fucking game.

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:That seems kinda a reach for this early in a game... I don't even particularly like meta cases at any point in a game, but this early just feels somewhat off.
@Angelius: have both heads posted, or is this just Arc/just Nero so far?

So you don't like meta cases, which are mostly completely subjective anyway, and, in addition, bork's meta case feels "off"? Like, he shouldn't be able to produce it, or he produced it badly, or he's wrong, or you want him to think he's wrong?

How is Mac scummy from that interaction?

Angelous Nero wrote:If you really think that anything other than your hissy fight with GNR is content you are tremendously stupid. Your prolly both town and if anyone is scummy from that it was Mac.

1) Call my spat with ANG & Mac trolling
2) Get 3 reads from it

what

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ Knight of Cydonia wrote:That seems kinda a reach for this early in a game... I don't even particularly like meta cases at any point in a game, but this early just feels somewhat off.
@Angelius: have both heads posted, or is this just Arc/just Nero so far?

So you don't like meta cases, which are mostly completely subjective anyway, and, in addition, bork's meta case feels "off"? Like, he shouldn't be able to produce it, or he produced it badly, or he's wrong, or you want him to think he's wrong?

I think presenting a meta case at any point in a game is silly because a competent player is perfectly capable of manipulating their own meta and recognising their own playstyles. However I'm willing to accept that other people consider it valid scumhunting.
That said, pushing a meta case on a hydra is especially difficult unless both heads are signing off their posts with which head is doing the talking, and doing so this early in a game, when most people are still, to put it simply, shitposting/RVSing, is, yes, "off" to me.
Ideally, I'd like to know which head is posting from our hydras at all times, but especially in this case since bork's suggestion is based on only one head of that particular hydra. I'd also prefer if he came back to doing meta reads later in the game when everyone has a substantive body of posting, which we don't have right now.