Newbie 1356 (OVER)

[Varsoon]

Well, he already revealed he doesn't care about meta. This shows he is acting scum or is scum. Personally, as scum I make jokes about being scum, because it is ironic the town doesn't catch it. Merely for my own amusement. But I see no town motivation in behaving this way.

For that reason

Vote: mutley

if he isn't scum, and this is a mislynch, I'm happy it is a policy lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutleyddmc

You want a meta of claiming scum and being obnoxious to have a better scum game? That's fine, hope you don't mind getting lynched every game as town and based on the odds of it you're going to draw town a fair amount more than scum... idiot.

Unvote

I have no desire to play with this troll, and I'm not risking wasting a lynch.

Either he needs to be replaced or I do.

This behaviour is completely unacceptable and acting like scum every game to set up a meta of acting scum is not working towards your win condition in any individual game, ie this one.

Please check the other game I linked with Mutley from a few posts back.
Their mislynch of Mutley ruined two of their days and essentially put them in LyLo.

[Mutleyddmc]

What the hell is a meta? You guys take things more seriously than the other game it's only 3 pages of inactivity! Lighten up! Definitely looking at mist though as possible scum. Seemed an easy vote for a scum covered up in crappy reasoning. Trying to get a easy day 1 town lynch.

[Varsoon]

What the hell is a meta? You guys take things more seriously than the other game it's only 3 pages of inactivity! Lighten up! Definitely looking at mist though as possible scum. Seemed an easy vote for a scum covered up in crappy reasoning. Trying to get a easy day 1 town lynch.

A meta is when a player plays a certain way over a series of games so that they can argue that it is simply their playing style.
For instance, I tend to be very thorough and I voice when player's personalities rub me the wrong way.
If I ever get called out on that, I'll tell them to look at my previous games and realize that's just how I play.


I do think that one person with a vote on you is scum.

[Messiah]

Newbie 1356 - Vote Count 1.5

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Mutleyddmc [L-2]

- Zoggoth, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Mist7676
Varsoon [L-4] - Paid Pyro
RadiantCowbells [L-4] - shaboostein
shaboostein [L-4] - Mutleyddmc
Debonair Danny DiPietro [L-4] - Varsoon

Not Voting (2):

dexter9264, RadiantCowbells

With nine alive it takes

five

to lynch.

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Deadline:

(expired on 2013-04-24 20:00:00)

[Varsoon]

IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

I think we should seriously discuss the possibility of him being town or scum. Honestly, I'm null-leaning town right now, but my opinion is largely painted by how he reacted as well as his previous game.

[Varsoon]

I feel like anyone who is put at L-2 and especially L-1 should be given time to make their case and the other players should weigh in before hammers are dropped or the wagon is stopped. It's more fair that way, and it keeps quickhammers and mislynches from happening.

[Paid Pyro]

IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

I think we should seriously discuss the possibility of him being town or scum. Honestly, I'm null-leaning town right now, but my opinion is largely painted by how he reacted as well as his previous game.

I'm happy keeping my vote right where it's at thank you, (PS it's Varsoon) So if you are trying to find scum, why tell scum what is "scummy". I think you are trying to seem town by these statements but its not working.

[Varsoon]

Well, Paid Pyro, since I know that I am town, I know that people levying baseless arguments against me are more likely to be scum than other players.
So, by saying something like I did just earlier, or making other intentional missteps, I'm inviting scum and town speculation.
It's helped me get better reads on people so far, and your reaction was pretty genuinely scummy.

[Paid Pyro]

I don't know your town. So why should I believe you, cuz you said so? How many times have you professed your townieness this game?

Wait I think we should take a straw poll of everyone here. Everyone should claim. I wonder what the response will be. So please explain why I'm scummy, because I do t trust you?

[dexter9264]

Mutley

Sorry dexter I didn't explain it completely clearly. He was talking about not just this game. I do not care for being lynched its a game you move on to the next one even if you are the first person lynched. I'm not going to be sad and beat myself up about it cos I don't conform to how he wants me to play.

I'm not saying that you should go cry in a corner and stop playing mafia forever if you get lynched. You don't have to conform to how people want you to play if you don't want to. That being said, mafia is a team effort for the most part. Right now, if you're town, you're harming the team.

Vote: Mutleyddmc

If you have a good reason for why we shouldn't lynch you, I would like to hear it. Otherwise, my vote is staying on you.

Varsoon

Please check the other game I linked with Mutley from a few posts back.
Their mislynch of Mutley ruined two of their days and essentially put them in LyLo.

Yeah, that may be true, but do we really want someone like Mutley to be here later? I feel like if he continues playing the way he does right now it'll hurt us even more in the long run. Either he changes how he plays and actually becomes useful to the town, or we lynch him

IF ANYONE ELSE VOTES MUTLEY WITHOUT A GOOD REASON, YOU WILL BE SCUM SUSPECT. THIS GOES DOUBLY IF ANYONE JUST HAMMERS HIM, ESP. IF HE FLIPS TOWN

I feel like anyone who is put at L-2 and especially L-1 should be given time to make their case and the other players should weigh in before hammers are dropped or the wagon is stopped. It's more fair that way, and it keeps quickhammers and mislynches from happening.

I feel like we can't half ass this. He needs the real pressure of being lynched. My vote stays.

I think we should seriously discuss the possibility of him being town or scum. Honestly, I'm null-leaning town right now, but my opinion is largely painted by how he reacted as well as his previous game.

He could be town, he could be scum. I have no idea. What I do know is that I'm willing to have him lynched despite the fact that he could very likely be town.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

What the hell is a meta? You guys take things more seriously than the other game it's only 3 pages of inactivity! Lighten up! Definitely looking at mist though as possible scum. Seemed an easy vote for a scum covered up in crappy reasoning. Trying to get a easy day 1 town lynch.

Do you enjoy getting lynched on day one then?

I feel like anyone who is put at L-2 and especially L-1 should be given time to make their case and the other players should weigh in before hammers are dropped or the wagon is stopped. It's more fair that way, and it keeps quickhammers and mislynches from happening.

I feel like Mutley can begin to contribute any time now but somehow I'm not thinking he will.

[shaboostein]

Sorry for the inactivity. Been busy recently.

This is a hard decision, considering the consequences, but I'm willing to vote/hammer. I don't want to have to deal with Mutely's shenanigans later in the game. He's at L-1 now, so I'll let him post and make his case. I'm pretty sure there's scum on his wagon, he's just too easy a target. If he get's lynched, I hope its a bus, but at the moment I think he just hinders the town as is.

[Varsoon]

I don't know your town. So why should I believe you, cuz you said so? How many times have you professed your townieness this game?

Wait I think we should take a straw poll of everyone here. Everyone should claim. I wonder what the response will be. So please explain why I'm scummy, because I do t trust you?

You should believe that I'm town by evaluating all my posts so far and understanding that all of my motivations have town's interest at heart. When the Mutley wagon was started, I didn't slam my vote on another player in response, nor did I push the mutley wagon even more (although I could, and I could even hammer him at this point, but I won't, because I'm not scum and I'm not sure he's scum either). The point of playing town is to scumhunt and to make plays that are at town's best interest.

You're scummy because you fell for the bait. You were quick to make accusations of me, because I didn't jump on the wagon like everyone else. It's a scum tactic. Should scrutiny fall on me later, I'll be sure to defend myself and prove that I've got town's best interests at heart. If you were simply scumhunting, my earlier replies would have been enough to vindicate me, and if this reply doesn't do it for you, then you're truly grasping at straws.
The fact that your response to being called out as scum isn't to vindicate yourself, but to call me out even more as scum is pretty trashy, too. If you're town, stop making such baseless accusations. It does nothing for town.
You'll probably advocate a Mutley/Varsoon scumteam if it'll get lynches, because it seems like I'm defending him. Mutley could flip scum this game, but going from how he played his last game, and how he's playing this one, I'm less sure of him being scum than I am of other players who don't have such an outlandish playstyle.

[Varsoon]

The way I see it, Mutley should give us his reads right now and make a case for why he isn't scum.
Hopefully, it's more than him hammering himself like he did before.

[Paid Pyro]

What are you smoking?

I call BS on you not pushing the mutley wagon. You posted a flat out dare. BS BS BS.

Oh, so by analyzing your bickering with DDDP clears you? Oh wait it was asking for people to UNVOTE you. Right, that must have been it. Sorry. Also, you BAIT was garbage and you know it. Again, so the whole agreement against mutley is him doing instantly scummy thing. So now that you've done it we should PL you next right. PL are crap.

DDDP, I'm thinking back to our first game. Worst mafia did this same very thing and he was town. I don't like this lynch it just too easy. I see him as town.

[Varsoon]

What are you smoking?

I call BS on you not pushing the mutley wagon. You posted a flat out dare. BS BS BS.

Oh, so by analyzing your bickering with DDDP clears you? Oh wait it was asking for people to UNVOTE you. Right, that must have been it. Sorry. Also, you BAIT was garbage and you know it. Again, so the whole agreement against mutley is him doing instantly scummy thing. So now that you've done it we should PL you next right. PL are crap.

DDDP, I'm thinking back to our first game. Worst mafia did this same very thing and he was town. I don't like this lynch it just too easy. I see him as town.

Looks like you're another player I'll just have to agree to disagree with.

Your buddying is noted, though.

VOTE: Paid Pyro

Keep it up while you can.

[Paid Pyro]

Hey DDDP, I think he's saying we're buddies. I guess we'll laugh it up in the QT later

[Varsoon]

Hey DDDP, I think he's saying we're buddies. I guess we'll laugh it up in the QT later

Scumbluffing is not a town tactic.

[Paid Pyro]

So I'm scum bluffing AND scum all at the same time. Do I get an award or an achievement for this?

[Mutleyddmc]

Wow we have a bunch of uptight people in here 4 pages prob about 15 posts by me and that's too much and harming the town. Nice....... Can't see how in 4 pages anyone could possibly actually be 'harming' the town. If I had only posted once or twice. Would you guys have had some huge leads then? No it's day 1 with 4 pages.

For me I'd say mist is my only mafia target at the moment. Covering it up by calling it a policy lynch etc even though its 3 pages in etc. just mafia covering for poor reasoning really IMO.

In terms on that meta thing varsoon I would really care enough to do that. Every game is different and I'd never actually look at other people's previous games. As while they could be useful I am sure people do that to trick people. They say oh look that's what I'm like etc or act different to their advantage. Eg they could say look how I was when I was scum in this game nothing like I am in this current game etc

[RadiantCowbells]

Can we seriously replace this douchebag?

[Mutleyddmc]

What exactly have you done thats helpful to the town RC?? Bitch and moan. Are you that person that no one used to talk to and bitch and moan to their imaginary friend that they are so much better than everyone else.

[Mutleyddmc]

sorry should have posted it before. So when I joke about being scum its harmful to town. When pyro does it its fine and not the same?

[Mutleyddmc]

So heres RCs posts cos I am apparently harmful to the town.

Cop here and I have a scum result on

Vote: Mist7676

Quick! Lynch the SE!

Claims cop how is that helpful? or any different to me claiming scum really?

Should a town player ever lie about his role? What if that player is a VT? What if that player is a power role?

I know this isn't the politically correct view on this website, which abhors gambiting, but:

Yes. Gambiting can be extremely effective and it, like any WIFOM, gives extremely strong potential benefits if done properly.
In my first game I gambited successfully to live another day as cop, fakeclaiming VT as cop with a wagon already on me, and it kept me alive another day and could have won the game for us.
Does that mean if I claim VT scum are going to NK me right away in case I'm actually a cop or doc?

The inactivity makes me

Can we get some prods please?

Trying to get activity fair enough. Now that my style gains activity though isn't happy cos its not the activity he likes?

I'm town Dayvig. Dayvig here.

Challenge my claim and you get shot.

Fake claim of no role. Says you will get shot if you challenge? surely the only way to get shot by him is if he is mafia so surely this is a scumclaim?

So much activity!

Vote: RadiantCowbells

REAL HELPFUL

And so the Lord said unto John "Thou shalt be more active in thy game of mafia, for yonder 45 post at 5 day game of mafia hath bored me."

And John was more active, and the game was good.

Null tell, leaning town-ish. Most likely because a past game was lost for her because of people sheeping ICs.

Unvote

Vote: Shaboostein

Vote: Mutley

Seriously douchebaggy style of play, not working towards town win condition, just trying to get himself a meta.
Or can he be replaced? I don't want to play with one potential town acting scummy all game so that he doesn't look scum when he is scum.

Votes for douchebaggery style no real reasoning not exactly helpful is it

Unvote

I have no desire to play with this troll, and I'm not risking wasting a lynch.

Either he needs to be replaced or I do.

This behaviour is completely unacceptable and acting like scum every game to set up a meta of acting scum is not working towards your win condition in any individual game, ie this one.

Can we seriously replace this douchebag?

Now I don't think RC is scum I'm just pointing out that this isn't exactly much different to me. It's a lessen down version but not exactly helpful as people are asking for from me? The 2nd to last quote to me is a town read hence why I don't think he is scum

[Mutleyddmc]

What the hell is a meta? You guys take things more seriously than the other game it's only 3 pages of inactivity! Lighten up! Definitely looking at mist though as possible scum. Seemed an easy vote for a scum covered up in crappy reasoning. Trying to get a easy day 1 town lynch.

Do you enjoy getting lynched on day one then?

I feel like anyone who is put at L-2 and especially L-1 should be given time to make their case and the other players should weigh in before hammers are dropped or the wagon is stopped. It's more fair that way, and it keeps quickhammers and mislynches from happening.

I feel like Mutley can begin to contribute any time now but somehow I'm not thinking he will.

Sorry for 4 posts! but I've only just seen that DDDP asked me a question here, infact I hadn't actually seen this post yet.
The answer is surprisingly I have never actually been lynched on day 1 so I wouldn't know. I'm sure it wouldn't upset me. Might be a little annoying if I was scum. As I wouldn't get a nightkill. However it's not the end of the world is it?