just posting to bump this game up a bit.
The spider has me down as possibly town, I'd tend to agree with him. I'm just a useless Irishman
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:52 pm
by Derivan
Spoiler: Responses to posts
In post 69, goodmorning wrote:I took that as a joke and if it becomes the key point in anyone's case on him I shall laugh.
I agreed that it was a scummy move, yet not enough to place a vote. Rather see some actual analysis, of which there has been little. I'll continue to foster discussion and try to get people to explain their vote jumping/logic.
In post 69, goodmorning wrote:
I feel obligated to point out here that effort and ability are not in any way correlated with alignment.
I agree, it was the BW jump that caught my attention. And to answer your question I didn't think it was enough of a scummy move (you pointed out the likelihood of it being a joke) to vote for him and read no other tells or had a basis for a vote.
In post 68, TheGarantula wrote:
I think he was referring to your vote on Cabd, since JasonWazza voted GM during RVS and then Cabd more recently. His argument is that one or both of you are scummy for voting the more experienced players first on shaky grounds.
You think:
1. Cabd is scummy
2. Wazza and Fegelein are scummy for voting Cabd
You explained my logic perfectly and then drew incorrect conclusions. Also I have one scum read (either JasonWazza or Fegelein) at this point, which is hardly "teh most 3vr", try again. I appreciate your analysis and contribution though, not much to go on with so few people making contributions. (1 post each by, Darq and bestwillcui)
TL;DR
I think:
1. Wazza and Fegelein are scummy for voting the more experienced players first on shaky grounds. (as Garantula stated)
2. Cabd made a scummy
move
by claiming the MOD gave him information. Either that or it was a joke as Goodmorning pointed out.
Need more contributions at this point. @Darq, bestwillcui... Bueller, Bueller? @Guyett, why no vote? @The Garantula, do you not agree with my logic regarding Wazza, Fegelein?
Fixed quote tags. Preview is your friend. ~~NS
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:04 pm
by Guyett
Why no vote? eh its still early, I'm trying to read people at this stage and I dont feel like throwing votes around and changing them everytime someone comes under scrutiny. I have a few ideas at who I want to vote for and currently as I have already stated Cabd is the most suspicious to me but I expect that might change over the next while.
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:20 pm
by JasonWazza
In post 78, Derivan wrote:TL;DR
I think:
1. Wazza and Fegelein are scummy for voting the more experienced players first on shaky grounds. (as Garantula stated)
2. Cabd made a scummy
move
by claiming the MOD gave him information. Either that or it was a joke as Goodmorning pointed out.
Need more contributions at this point. @Darq, bestwillcui... Bueller, Bueller? @Guyett, why no vote? @The Garantula, do you not agree with my logic regarding Wazza, Fegelein?
RVS involves voting on shaky grounds.
And me voting Cabd is based on the same logic your using.
SO HOW THE FUCK AM I SCUM AGAIN?
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:49 pm
by TheGarantula
In post 78, Derivan wrote:Also I have one scum read (either JasonWazza or Fegelein) at this point, which is hardly "teh most 3vr", try again.
In post 57, Derivan wrote:Anyone else have thoughts on JasonWazza and Fegelein's recent bandwagon jump?
My thoughts are that at least one of them is targeting Cabd and Goodmorning since they appear to be strong players and have posted the most.
In post 64, Derivan wrote:In other discussion I agree it is a scummy that Cabd claimed that the MOD sent him info mistakenly.
You clearly said that Wazza and/or Fegelein are acting scummy, as well as Cabd. That puts you at 2 or 3 scum reads, which like I said is more than anyone else has shared so far. As I elaborate on below, I don't think a single one of the three is justified, either. Furthermore, I don't like that you try to shrug off my claim with that sarcastic caricature littered in leet speak.
In post 78, Derivan wrote:@The Garantula, do you not agree with my logic regarding Wazza, Fegelein?
No. I don't think it makes any sense. Neither of them legitimately accused GM of anything scummy; Wazza's vote was RVS. As for Cabd, you yourself called him scummy on the same page as both of them, so saying that their actions are suspicious is hypocritical at best and scummy at worst. Explain what differentiates their accusations from yours.
Getting defensive and not actively scumhunting, check. Why so mad? My logic on voting for you is based on your shaky grounds BW vote swap, not based on a joke you made. I already explained that I thought the joke was a scummy move, but not enough so to warrant a vote. You still haven't explained why you think Cabd was not making a joke, tell us more.
In post 79, Guyett wrote:I have a few ideas at who I want to vote for and currently as I have already stated Cabd is the most suspicious to me but I expect that might change over the next while.
Guyett, what are your ideas and reasons? And same question to you that I posed to Jason above. Why do you think it was not a joke?
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:08 pm
by Derivan
In post 81, TheGarantula wrote:Explain what differentiates their accusations from yours.
I have explained the logic (Multiple RVS votes, even if it may be flawed) for my vote, still waiting on some semi-serious explanations for multiple votes other than RVS.
Getting defensive and not actively scumhunting, check. Why so mad? My logic on voting for you is based on your shaky grounds BW vote swap, not based on a joke you made. I already explained that I thought the joke was a scummy move, but not enough so to warrant a vote. You still haven't explained why you think Cabd was not making a joke, tell us more.
Who said i thought he wasn't making a joke?
Also i am actively scumhunting so that is a misrep, i think your scum right now because your just making shit up as you go
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:26 pm
by TheGarantula
In post 82, Derivan wrote:You still haven't explained why you think Cabd was not making a joke, tell us more.
In post 51, Cabd wrote:I suppose you'll have to wait until they show up, now won't you?
All in good time, I assure you.
If it's all in good time, hence your waiting for some shit post to come, hence you are banking on it being an activity tell and them flailing?
UNVOTE: goodmorning
VOTE: Cabd
It seems fairly apparent that his qualm wasn't with the joke but with his lack of explanation. You and Guyett were the only two to claim the joke was a scummy move.
In post 81, TheGarantula wrote:Explain what differentiates their accusations from yours.
I have explained the logic (Multiple RVS votes, even if it may be flawed) for my vote, still waiting on some semi-serious explanations for multiple votes other than RVS.
Do you believe that RVS votes are really grounds for any sort of serious accusation? I also don't see you requesting any explanations that haven't been given. What explanations are you waiting for?
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:21 pm
by Fegelein
Derivan's cases against me and Jason make absolutely no sense, and his posting style is now coming across as manufactured.
UNVOTE: Cabd VOTE: Derivan
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:33 pm
by JasonWazza
I'd vote him but i am wondering if it's stupidity and not reading or being scum.
Where as Cabd seems more scummy then anything else.
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:55 pm
by Fegelein
Cabd strikes me as somebody who'd bus their partners early, so a Cabd/Dev team could be possible.
Either way, they're my top 2 early scum reads.
Leaning Town on Jason, but may need to re-evaluate.
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:56 pm
by Guyett
Spoiler: A few early thoughts and whatnot from a hungover Irishman
Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.
bestwillcui - Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.
Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.
TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.
JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan
Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.
Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.
goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:10 pm
by JasonWazza
In post 89, Guyett wrote:
JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan
Check my meta i tend to get pissed at people who make shit up
Seriously he's making shit out of nothing.
If you find me defensive and not just annoyed at people making shit up to call me scummy then your stupid.
Guyett wrote:
Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.
So you think his logic is alright, BUT you don't agree with it?
that doesn't make sense.
Guyett wrote:
TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.
This is crap, he hasn't said anything that isn't been parroted from someone else.
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:35 pm
by Guyett
In post 90, JasonWazza wrote:
Check my meta i tend to get pissed at people who make shit up
Seriously he's making shit out of nothing.
If you find me defensive and not just annoyed at people making shit up to call me scummy then your stupid.
fair enough but I havent called you scummy, just that the over defensiveness seemed suspicious.
FWIW you arent very high on my list of probable mafia
So you think his logic is alright, BUT you don't agree with it?
that doesn't make sense.
It does actually, I applaud him for using logic but his logic is flawed in my opinion.
This is crap, he hasn't said anything that isn't been parroted from someone else.
sure
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:41 am
by Guyett
VOTE: Cabd
At the moment I think he is most likely scum
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:56 am
by TheGarantula
Most of you seen to be voting Cabd over his "reaction test" even though Fegelein also claims to have placed a semi-serous vote for the same reason and isn't taking any heat. Why the discrepancy?
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:58 am
by TheGarantula
*seem and *serious
sorry, typing from my phone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:41 am
by bestwillcui
Hi guys...I am still here.
I'll just VOTE: Guyett to get the game going.
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:46 am
by Fegelein
Umm, who do you think is scum bestwillcui? We're out of RVS atm.
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:40 pm
by TheGarantula
Please take a while to read the thread so far and tell us what you think
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:47 pm
by goodmorning
In post 77, Guyett wrote:just posting to bump this game up a bit.
The spider has me down as possibly town, I'd tend to agree with him. I'm just a useless Irishman
How do you feel about everyone else? any tentative reads at all?
Never mind, you did a reads-type thing. BUT why do you have a townread on me sans explanation? All your other reads were fairly reasoned.
In post 78, Derivan wrote:1. Wazza and Fegelein are scummy for voting the more experienced players first on shaky grounds.
How do you account for the levity factor of RVS?
In post 83, Derivan wrote:I have explained the logic (Multiple RVS votes, even if it may be flawed) for my vote, still waiting on some semi-serious explanations for multiple votes other than RVS.
I voted for three different people four times in one post in RVS. Multivoting in RVS is hardly a scumtell.
Deri you are giving me scumfeels.
In post 90, JasonWazza wrote:So you think his logic is alright, BUT you don't agree with it?
that doesn't make sense.
There's a certain amount of opinion that goes into interpretive logic. I find it a sensible enough proposition.
It would have been incredibly funny if you had derphammered someone. When you read up I look forward to your input, preferably with some original opinions.
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:33 pm
by Cabd
So I live in fresno, and it was 108 F outside today and I had zero air conditioning since it broke. Finally cool enough to stand turning on electronics, so catching up, sorry all.
~~NS