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VOTE: Flay

That was 1382, a game I played with Flay.

In there, he doesn't have vote cases.

Yet, he says it's good to do that. Here, where the votes are on him.

Notscience, I have a question: What was flay's alignment in that game?

Town

Fart Bane is probably not mafia.

The early wagon has basically served its intention at this point - pretty much all of the players have reacted to it, so now we have information to go on and build a better wagon. UNVOTE: jmo16mla

1. jmo16mla
   basically reacted the way I expected him to if Town. He warned people he was close to lynch (through the vote count accident), but didn't OMGUS vote me. He asked me for more explanation of my case, but didn't knee-jerk assume I was scum for doing it.
   Not saying he's conftown
   , but it's a good reaction test for now.
   
2. Fart Bane
   unvoted to keep from getting a quicklynch, and pointed out that experienced scum (IC) could be working an angle that a newer player wouldn't be able to get away with (#44). When he comes back around in #68 he also notes that it could be scummy behavior, but could be me trying to get the game going. He doesn't let me off the hook, but is trying to get at the motivations.
   
3. notscience
   I'll discuss later.
   
4. Number_One
   also votes me, but he builds a reasonable case about it. Null read, leaning Town at the moment despite the vote. He's playing the game right.
   
5. zakk
   also has a good thoughtful response. I'd definitely like to see him post more often though. Null.
   
6. The-Duck
   's response in #60 is... waffling. He could be scum trying to test the waters to see if it's worth taking on the IC. He could be a cautious town.
   Do you have other games completed, Duck?
   I see you got replaced in 1375, though there's enough posts there to read at least. I'm especially curious if you have a finished game anywhere (offsite) as scum.
   
7. TAM
   I basically view the same way. He says I'm a null read, but really isn't pushing to get any more information or advance his own case. He's posting theory and playstyle tips, not analysis. #57 also contains a lovely easter egg: if
   either
   jmo16mla or I flips scum later in the game, he could use it to attack the other for bussing.
   
8. Endernys
   comes in pretty quiet, but I want to see at least another post from him before I get a real read. Right now he could just be a confused newbie, not shy scum. He also has the disadvantage of coming into a game already live for several pages.

In post 76, notscience wrote:In there, he doesn't have vote cases.

I don't think you understand what I mean by 'vote cases' I mean a reason to vote. Any reason, even a small one, is good Day One. But sitting back and going "hurr I'm waiting for something to happen" is not good for the game. Random voting is not good for the game past the first couple of posts (and not really good there, but it does minimal harm). Jerry's (who was scum in 1397) pressure voting close to deadline was a reason to vote him. Minimalist and uncooperative posting by Xiao Long was a reason to vote him. A case doesn't have to be a wallpost, especially in the early game.

So why are you pushing a wagon onto me for basically saying to do what I'm doing? Also "here where the votes are on him" is a big misrep when you're onto the second vote on me. Some people are questioning what I was doing with the wagon on jmo16mla, but only Number One had voted until you did. And for somebody who wants me to back up my 'vote cases' dictum, you haven't done much to build yours.

Let's dance. VOTE: notscience

In post 80, zakk wrote:

Unvote

Fart Bane is probably not mafia.

Why not?

In post 81, Mr. Flay wrote: [*]

TAM

I basically view the same way. He says I'm a null read, but really isn't pushing to get any more information or advance his own case. He's posting theory and playstyle tips, not analysis.

Correction: I say that I see you're reaction as null. Not that I read you as null. And I'm actually being tame in my theory and playstyle tips. If I was doing your job I'd be overdoing it more. It's my personal playstyle.

I'll be giving my thoughts on the game as a whole later.

In post 81, Mr. Flay wrote:Let's dance.

Now you're talking my language.

Rebuttal coming shortly.

Mr Flay what basically does your read for me add up to? No offence but it looks more like a summery... I'll post more soon but I only have internet half the time.

Not ScIence: I don't know practically anything about the game ns and flay played.... BAUT, I'm certain what Flay was doing was smart... Meaning trying to get reactions and scum hunting going. You see at the start of the game everything's super slow and a lot of pointing fingers. You know this. I know you know this. Then why are you accusing Flay of not having that much spectacular to say at the start of the game?
Flay: Perhaps I don't know much about games outside of newbville. But what I do know is in newbville a lot of people go by gut feeling. This same gut feeling that creates mislynchs. So what's stopping someone from saying oh seems legit hammah. Then boom day 1 goes by. Maybe that is rare but the possibility of it happining is still valid. Putting someone to l-1 is such a risky thing to do this early in a newb game. Maybe I'm wrong but if I'm right id like to know why you didn't know better to not do it?

Sorry I woulda made that look hella lot better if I wasn't using my phone.

Sorry.. The first part was referring to the game not science and flay played.. After that dot dot dot it's about the current game.

In post 87, Fart Bane wrote:Not ScIence: I don't know practically anything about the game ns and flay played.... BAUT, I'm certain what Flay was doing was smart... Meaning trying to get reactions and scum hunting going. You see at the start of the game everything's super slow and a lot of pointing fingers. You know this. I know you know this. Then why are you accusing Flay of not having that much spectacular to say at the start of the game?
Flay: Perhaps I don't know much about games outside of newbville. But what I do know is in newbville a lot of people go by gut feeling. This same gut feeling that creates mislynchs. So what's stopping someone from saying oh seems legit hammah. Then boom day 1 goes by. Maybe that is rare but the possibility of it happining is still valid. Putting someone to l-1 is such a risky thing to do this early in a newb game. Maybe I'm wrong but if I'm right id like to know why you didn't know better to not do it?

I'm sorry, but I'm very limmited on time, I'll respond to everything that's going on tonight or tomorrow morning.
Flay, that was the only game of mafia I ever played

Well, I guess Mr. Flay was just trying to get the game going. Not sure if he's town or just scum doing IC duties, but I'll unvote for now.



I'm going to wait for notscience's response for now, though.

Busy all day, will answer.when I get home. Phoneposting atm

And the wait begins....

In post 87, Fart Bane wrote:Flay: Perhaps I don't know much about games outside of newbville. But what I do know is in newbville a lot of people go by gut feeling. This same gut feeling that creates mislynchs. So what's stopping someone from saying oh seems legit hammah. Then boom day 1 goes by. Maybe that is rare but the possibility of it happining is still valid. Putting someone to l-1 is such a risky thing to do this early in a newb game. Maybe I'm wrong but if I'm right id like to know why you didn't know better to not do it?

To be honest, I was on my phone. I knew it wasn't going to be a lynch, but I didn't realize it was at L-1 or I would have said something, even as scum (mostly because a quicklynch on D1 just paints a target on me). Once jmo announced it, the risk was much smaller and it made for bigger reactions.

In post 86, Fart Bane wrote:Mr Flay what basically does your read for me add up to? No offence but it looks more like a summery... I'll post more soon but I only have internet half the time.

Not much really. I HATE giving Town/Scum lists and with three pages to go on there's no way I'm going to line everybody up into two columns, but since I did it for reactions I felt I had to react to everybody's...reactions.

Your play so far has been logical and precise, which doesn't point to scum but doesn't rule it out. I like your activity, keep it up (but if you can combine the multiposts more often, that would be good. Select All, Cut, start new reply, Paste works wonders, even on my phone).

notsci: Looking forward to it. We have a week.

In post 83, The Acting Method wrote:

In post 81, Mr. Flay wrote: [*]

TAM

I basically view the same way. He says I'm a null read, but really isn't pushing to get any more information or advance his own case. He's posting theory and playstyle tips, not analysis.

Correction: I say that I see you're reaction as null. Not that I read you as null.

Really? What you actually said in post 57 was "I disagree Number. I see Flay's Attack on jmo being null." Since it's the only thing you've commented on about me, how is that not a read of me? in fact your response to this whole wagon thing has been remarkably subdued. Are you always this laid back?

This game seems to be going pretty slow. I'll have to give it a kick in the pants before the end of the 3-day weekend. Beware my scrutinizing eye, scumbags.

Didn't realize it been three days. Il post later.

In post 96, zakk wrote:This game seems to be going pretty slow. I'll have to give it a kick in the pants before the end of the 3-day weekend. Beware my scrutinizing eye, scumbags.

You should post more often then, including answering why you no longer think Fart Bane is Mafia.

We're getting dangerously close to the deadline...
Perhaps I could post some reads if you guys like.