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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:56 pm

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Speaking of ubertimmmy, where is the guy?
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:25 am

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stikey wrote: The funny thing is that I tend to agree that voting for the mod is not a good idea because it could very well waste a lynch, but I don't understand how someone could vote to lynch a person for suggesting that we lynch the moderator, and then turn around and state that the person who suggested that we lynch the moderator was probably just trying to gauge reactions. It doesn't add up to me.
I also thought Norinel's initial vote of Lloyd was justifiable. The reason I'm voting for him is that he defensively backpedalled subsequently.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:25 am

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N_lich wrote:I also thought Norinel's initial vote of Lloyd was justifiable. The reason I'm voting for him is that he defensively backpedalled subsequently.
Hmmmm. Having just re-read I do not see a great deal of defensive backpedalling other than an unvote from what was an early vote based on an early/strange suggestion by Lloyd.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:33 am

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It's not a lot, but it's top of the things I've seen so far. A couple of reasons why I attach any importance to it is that:

1. It seemed to be as a response to being voted (my opinion, feel free to say otherwise if you think so)
2. He's failed to move to anyone other than LLoyd- which is a little unusual at this point- this ties into point 1, my read is that he unvoted in attempt to "dodge the issue", rather than any qualms he had were satisifed or that he thought his vote was better elsewhere.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:34 am

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@N_Lich: I kind of see your point. I think I'm viewing it a little less harshly and so I am not suspicious of the unvote.

At the moment I am more suspicious of the behaviour of Alexander regarding the various Lloyd related issues. Specifically the "thought bubble" and the "seriously" debacles:
Alexander wrote:The part in italics appears in what comics writers call a "thought bubble".
Alexander wrote:Thus, I'm serious about selling you the Brooklin Bridge.
However as he has been replaced I'm not sure I could vote stikey on it.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:44 am

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evilandy wrote:@N_Lich: I kind of see your point. I think I'm viewing it a little less harshly and so I am not suspicious of the unvote.

At the moment I am more suspicious of the behaviour of Alexander regarding the various Lloyd related issues. Specifically the "thought bubble" and the "seriously" debacles:
Alexander wrote:The part in italics appears in what comics writers call a "thought bubble".
Alexander wrote:Thus, I'm serious about selling you the Brooklin Bridge.
However as he has been replaced I'm not sure I could vote stikey on it.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:58 am

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Let's get a modprod to the lurkers.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:12 am

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I'm here. Haven't seen much to comment on, really. Can we get a vote count?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:18 pm

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I hate when games get deadlocked like this. I'm happy where my vote is at the moment.

As for Stikey: He
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reminds me of Alexander is his style of play. Not sure what to garner from his. But to me it just seems like Alexander adding some humourous demagoguery to his posts.

I don't whether or not it's becauses he's scum or because he felt like making jokes. But yeah, voting for Stikey wouldn't be a good move.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:17 pm

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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:35 pm

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Norinel wrote:Why not wait until there's actually evidence for it (As there was in the DP game), instead of potentially wasting a lynch in hopes that the mod stole an idea from DP?
In this game...Since 1) our moderator hinted that he might be lynchable in post 1, and 2) Twomz's post 8 indicated that he blocked Vyolence, I think that was enough of a hunch to see whether we could actually lynch the moderator or not.

How would you obtain actual evidence on whether the moderator is a serial killer or not?

In DP's game...A serial killer mod wasn't considered until the remaining two players were both scum. By that time, all townies had died.

Thus, I don't like your suggestion that we wait until actual evidence, before discussing a lynch of the moderator. By that time, it may be too late for townies (as it was the case in the DP13 game).

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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:59 pm

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Lloyd, I think your argument was well put but...

To me I think I would only suspect Norinel enough to vote him for this if I thought he also knew that TheEyeOfMordor was an SK or similar. Otherwise both scum and town have as much to gain by lynching the mod. And, please correct me if I'm wrong, in the other game where the mod was lynched nobody knew the mods role.

So to me he was just making a judgement based on the suggestion, rather than acting in a scummy way.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:33 am

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Remember how we're talking about something that happened (IIRC) exactly once?
Lloyd wrote:
Norinel wrote:Why not wait until there's actually evidence for it (As there was in the DP game), instead of potentially wasting a lynch in hopes that the mod stole an idea from DP?
In this game...Since 1) our moderator hinted that he might be lynchable in post 1, and 2) Twomz's post 8 indicated that he blocked Vyolence, I think that was enough of a hunch to see whether we could actually lynch the moderator or not.
Again, you're using someone's bah post as evidence.
How would you obtain actual evidence on whether the moderator is a serial killer or not?
In the DP game, all the kills by the mod were either
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As for the unvote, it was a first page vote with a weak reason, which I took off when it was no longer needed and not going anywhere. At the time, there wasn't anyone obvious to move to.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:59 pm

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After looking over the so-called 'bah' post, I don't understand why it was not edited out. Supposively posting something worthwhile after death is illegal and breaks the game. This either means that twomz was allowed to do so or we can blame the mod for it. Whether it was a 'bah' post or not is still questionable. Another possiblity is that twomz lied to us.

Norinel, Lloyd has said that waiting for evidence will take too long and by the time the evidence points to it, it will be too late.
Lloyd, Norinel says that without evidence, making an unsupervised move will ultimately hurt town and cause confusion and discord.
I just don't want to see the same points being repeated again. Norinel has said the lack of evidence part for quite a while and Lloyd has countered with WIFOM logic.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:31 pm

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Where is Lloyd's Wifom logic?

And Twomz said he blocked Vyolynce, who also died last night. Vyolynce would had to have targeted Twomz (a serial killer's hardly going to target himself) so Twomz was unsubtly raising the question of whether or not he should have been left alive. It's not like he broke the game or anything, it was a "Bah! I blocked my killer and I still died!" type thing. The problem here is just that Twomz revealed his night-choice, but I don't think it really matters as Vyolynce is dead anyway.

If Vyolynce was left alive it may have been a different story, but I don't see anything wrong with his "Bah!" post.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 12:34 am

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Don't you hate it when you check in after a day or so, and you're the last person who posted?
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 12:35 am

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Yeah SpamWise, I hate that heaps, especially as it limits the choice of who to lynch when you're the only one around.

So I think instead I'll take a nap.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 7:28 am

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lol, I thought I did this yesterday, but it must not've gone through.

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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 7:55 am

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It seems that things have been slowing down in this thread a bit.

I'm still okay with keeping my vote on Norinel because of the post that I quoted before. I see it as Norinel fleeing one floundering bandwagon (the anti Lloyd-voting-for-the-mod bandwagon) and jumping on another one (the anti-Alexander bandwagon).

I'd like to hear more from two people who haven't said much in a while: starkmoon and ubertimmy (I don't count "I'm here. Haven't seen much to comment on, really. Can we get a vote count?" as a post of any real substance). Lurkers always scare me!
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 8:53 am

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I think the discussion of the bah! post is worthless, and I don't really know if I think Norinel or Lloyd is scum.
On the topic of Lloyd / Norinel, I have some questions.
Norinel: Do you think Lloyd is scum? If so, why aren't you voting for him?
Chaotic_diablo: What is Lloyd's WIFOM logic? Please be specific, I'm not attacking you for saying that, but I'd like you to point it out for me.
Sikey: Do you think Norinel is scum? Or just the scummiest player currently?
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 10:24 am

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I think that Norinel is the scummiest player currently. I'm not completely confident that he's scum, but I'm typically indecisive about whom to lynch, mainly because I find little suspicious things about almost everyone, and second-guess myself repeatedly. But out of all the posts so far, I've found that one by Norinel to make the least sense and suggest a lack of conviction behind what the post says (since it seems to contradict itself).

I'm curious about Lloyd's WIFOM logic as well. That's a pretty serious accusation to make, isn't it?
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 10:47 am

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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 11:01 am

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Norinel: If we act before we have information, then we will ultimately suffer.
Lloyd: By the time we have the information, it will be too late.

Both tend to be correct only in certain circumstances and both arguments can be used repeatedly against each other for an extended amount of time. It's WIFOM logic hidden in a mesh of other information.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 7:28 pm

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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2006 10:01 pm

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chaotic_diablo wrote:Norinel: If we act before we have information, then we will ultimately suffer.
Lloyd: By the time we have the information, it will be too late.

Both tend to be correct only in certain circumstances and both arguments can be used repeatedly against each other for an extended amount of time. It's WIFOM logic hidden in a mesh of other information.
The way you've worded their banter, it's Catch-22. If it is Wifom logic, it's hidden very very deeply. But neither of them make me think "That's what he wants me to think!" which I think is a prerequisite to something being Wifom.

In my opinion, Wifom requires questions to be asked by someone. Especially the W and H questions; who? what? when? where? why? and how?. I can't see those questions being asked by either of those two, and more importantly I can't see them being used in a way that supposedly clears them.

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. He's made some scum tells so far, but I don't know whether or not to think it's because he's scum or new. Too early to judge methinks.
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