The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[sirdanilot]

Natirasha why is your vote not on esp ?!

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, remember that game where you claimed miller beginning of day 1 and flipped scum? It was quite a while ago.

I assume this was during the old days. Sadly, I took a four year hiatus from mafia and outside a few keystone games I can't remember any from back then

My vote will likely move in that direction when I feel like moving it. I like the person I'm currently wagoning.

[Natirasha]

Shos is pretty tempting too though.

[sirdanilot]

Yes I am from the old days too. I still only play in a small amount of games at a time.

Good I like your reads.

What are everyone's shos, shadoweh and especially Esp reads? And does anyone else feel like Esp should die?

[Natirasha]

How could I ever forget you, sirdanilot?

[Shadoweh]

I am so pissed ignore doesn't work in the mafia section so I might accidentally glance all these posts I'm going to be ignoring. If you really think a VT claim makes someone auto-lynchable then you're an even bigger idiot then I thought you were. It's also not 5 years ago so grow up.

Nat, want to bus my scumbuddy shos with me? I heard I should have unspeakable urges to lynch him for some reason.

[Espeonage]

Do you think you are unlikely to be lynched because of your vanilla claim?

Not because of the claim. I just wanted to see reactions and wing it from there.

[sirdanilot]

I am so pissed ignore doesn't work in the mafia section so I might accidentally glance all these posts I'm going to be ignoring. If you really think a VT claim makes someone auto-lynchable then you're an even bigger idiot then I thought you were. It's also not 5 years ago so grow up.

"Joined: 2011". Who the hell are you even? I certainly have no idea who you are. In any case, if you are going to bring personal attacks into this game (wherever they may come from since I have not the slightest idea who you are and I don't really care anyway) you are every bit as anti-town as Esp. Glancing over or ignoring posts is also the most stupid thing to do. Though hey you're scum so you can get away with it.

Nat, want to bus my scumbuddy shos with me? I heard I should have unspeakable urges to lynch him for some reason.

Shos is a good lynch candidate, though I'd prefer to kill those persons who actually need to die first namely Esp.

[Natirasha]

Nat, want to bus my scumbuddy shos with me? I heard I should have unspeakable urges to lynch him for some reason.

If its anything like your unspeakable urge to maim and kill Alfred, then sure.

VOTE: shos

[Shadoweh]

##Vote: shos

It's 7 days to early for the paranoia to be that unspeakable though!

sirdanilot: Why do you keep bringing up my join date like it matters? I don't know you from years ago or something if that's what you're asking. I'm saying your posts are town but terrible and will only result in tears for everyone.

[sirdanilot]

I am willing to go onto the shos wagon, though I am still of the opinion Esp should be lynched. Maybe I'll add that to my posts as a 'Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse'.

VOTE: Shos

@ Shadoweh: I am not going to continue this personal argument with you. I have no idea who you are, or what your problem is. If you have a problem with me, the correct play for you is to replace out and refrain from joining further games in which I am playing. If you keep harassing me about seemingly personal stuff (though I have no idea how I can have any personal quarrel with someone I do not know) I will contact the mod.

[sirdanilot]

Oh let me rephrase above post for the people who aren't reading what I say: My scum are currently Esp, Shos and Shadoweh, so I'm already happy that one of them is being wagoned.

[shos]

THIS IS GAWLD

EVERYONE JOIN ME ILL EXPLAIN LATERZ

VOTE: Natirasha

[Desperado]

Reck v Tierce was boring--but both lean scum, for "I was just getting that out there in case someone tries to push a bullshit flavor case on me" and "why do people join large themes if they don't know any of the flavor."

Sirdan vs Shadoweh was even boringer--Dan is town, Shadoweh's self-defeatist attitude leans scum because meta

Esp's VT claim is fine and town. Spy, Dan--explain the blind rage.

shos is doing several unusual things already. Excessive punctuation, all caps, textspk...maybe he's trying something new? TBD

Vote: Shadoweh

[Plum]

And last of all Turgon arose, and went with his household silently through the hills, and passed the gates in the mountains, and they were shut behind him.

VOTE COUNT 1:2

Shadoweh

- 2 - chamber, Desperado

Natirasha

- 2 - ActionDan, shos

xRECKONERx

- 6 - Tierce, Aegor, xRECKONERx, Espeonage, MafiaSSK, Cogito Ergo Sum

Espeonage

- 1 - SpyreX

shos

- 3 - Natirasha, Shadoweh, sirdanilot

Not voting (4)

: JacobSavage, Albert B. Rampage, Elscouta, PeregrineV

With 18 players alive it takes

10

votes to lynch.

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[sirdanilot]

Shos you should die. Leetspeak sucks by the way.

Desp I can only agree with your reads partly.

- Reck/tierce seems null to me though I understand where the scummy vibe came from I think it is null.
- Yes I do agree with you shadoweh seems scum, but please do explain the meta.
- Esp's VT claim is not 'fine'. Improving the chances of scum to hit a PR with their NK (because the more VTs are outed, the higher the chance to hit a PR) is not 'fine'. It is a lynachable offense. And because people like you who find an early day 1 VT claim 'fine'are getting more and more common on this site, it's also a good tactic as scum since apparently people find them 'towny' for it. Barf.
- Shos is scum.

I can understand that you are voting shadoweh, but I think that at this time a vote for shos is more informative, I would like to see how he acts.

[sirdanilot]

Spyrex

, who do you think is esp's scumbuddy? Do you agree with my shos and shadoweh reads?

[Desperado]

Shos you should die. Leetspeak sucks by the way.

Desp I can only agree with your reads partly.

- Reck/tierce seems null to me though I understand where the scummy vibe came from I think it is null.
- Yes I do agree with you shadoweh seems scum, but please do explain the meta.
- Esp's VT claim is not 'fine'. Improving the chances of scum to hit a PR with their NK (because the more VTs are outed, the higher the chance to hit a PR) is not 'fine'. It is a lynachable offense. And because people like you who find an early day 1 VT claim 'fine'are getting more and more common on this site, it's also a good tactic as scum since apparently people find them 'towny' for it. Barf.
- Shos is scum.

I can understand that you are voting shadoweh, but I think that at this time a vote for shos is more informative, I would like to see how he acts.

- Yeah; not interested in lynching either right now.
- I'd rather not explain it just yet
- Here's my problem; you keep listing Esp as scum, but every time you've been pushed further on it you revert to it being a policy lynch for his VT claim, which I think makes him more likely to be town (because seriously, scum fakeclaiming VT on page one? Find me some examples of that working and I'll sheep you forever and ever amen). Your stated logic for lynching him begins to fall apart here, because if he's town then, by lynching him, you've effectively done what you claim you are lynching him for (making it easier to hit town PRs with night kills). Right?

[sirdanilot]

^ I could imagine esp-scum using that gambit and try claiming VT on page 1.
Another thing that you haven't addressed is that Esp leaves room open to change his claim later. Now it THAT AINT SCUMMY I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
And thirdly, IF he's town then a policy lynch will learn him that his play is absolutely no good and extremely detrimental to the town.

[Desperado]

- Maybe yeah. You have any of those links I asked for?
- I didn't address it because right now it's just a threat. If he should decide to go that route, you will have my sword.
- That's all well and good, but it misses my point. You want to lynch him because, if he's a VT, then claiming VT makes it easier for the scum to night kill power roles. But if you lynch him, and he flips town, then it's equally easy for the scum to night kill power roles. So if you aren't convinced he's scum fakeclaiming (which you clearly aren't) then why do you want him dead? Other than to teach him a lesson that won't have any positive effect on the game we are actually playing right now.

[ActionDan]

btw I treat any and all early VT claims as wifom. curious as to why Nat has Shadoweh as town

[sirdanilot]

- Maybe yeah. You have any of those links I asked for?
- I didn't address it because right now it's just a threat. If he should decide to go that route, you will have my sword.
- That's all well and good, but it misses my point. You want to lynch him because, if he's a VT, then claiming VT makes it easier for the scum to night kill power roles. But if you lynch him, and he flips town, then it's equally easy for the scum to night kill power roles. So if you aren't convinced he's scum fakeclaiming (which you clearly aren't) then why do you want him dead? Other than to teach him a lesson that won't have any positive effect on the game we are actually playing right now.

Well look at it this way; if we lynch Esp, we will lynch either VT or scum. Lynching VT is not such a disaster (and I won't accept any claim-changing to PR), and lynching scum is good. If we choose anyone else on whom the scum read isn't that storng, then we could lynch vt, PR or scum.

I prefer the VT-scum choice in that case. Though I will not lynch Esp over someone who we have a very solid scum read on. In that regard I differ from Spyrex.

[shos]

Alright! first time since gamestart that I'm on a computer :-}
I shall make a fine content post in a few minutes

[MafiaSSK]

Yes I am from the old days too. I still only play in a small amount of games at a time.

Good I like your reads.

What are everyone's shos, shadoweh and especially Esp reads? And does anyone else feel like Esp should die?

Shos is eh.
Shadoweh is town.
Esp, I think I could actually get behind as scum.

Reck is fine, btw. UNVOTE:

[MafiaSSK]

##Vote: shos

It's 7 days to early for the paranoia to be that unspeakable though!

sirdanilot: Why do you keep bringing up my join date like it matters? I don't know you from years ago or something if that's what you're asking. I'm saying your posts are town but terrible and will only result in tears for everyone.

There's only about 4 or 5 players in this game that are post '08. You just happen to be one of them.