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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:05 am

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My first vote was completely random, so it has no importance.

I thought my question to CTD made it clear, but I don't care explaining.
CTD seems like he's looking for a lynch. He chooses targets for any reason at hand. I don't like it.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:44 am

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Looking for a lynch? You've got to be kidding me. I'd be more than happy if players even gave a damn.

Here is the thing:
I voted for Bogre for what I believe to be a legitimate reason. Yet the interest in this game is seemingly so low that he didn't even bother to answer. Solution to that problem? Put on more pressure.

If you feel that I'm wrong and that my reasons suck, feel free to express that feeling by voting for me. Either way we're getting something useful. But this "I don't care, why even bother" attitude is getting us nowhere. If you think that twiddling our thumbs and waiting for the mod to set a deadline so we have to lynch in a hurry is a better solution, please let me know so I can start lurking like everyone else.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:48 am

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And Y, I answered your question. If you are not satisfied by that answer, elaborate.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:42 pm

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Y, I don't see what the problem is.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:09 pm

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I'm getting bad vibes from CTD. He's jumping on people for any reason that might be, covering it with "I want something to happen". I've seen slower games, so I don't accept it as an excuse.
CTD wrote:Quick reminder: This is were everyone starts piling votes on Bogre. Stop slacking, everyone!
I really don't like people that try to have me voting just because they say so.
You want to put some pressure? You can ask us to vote to put pressure.
You want the game to move faster? You can ask us to start moving the game.
The "Come on everybody, vote for him because I said he's scummy for a lousy reason" isn't the same thing.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:59 pm

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I don't buy it, Y. I think CTD's actions are perfectly justifiable. Are you really worried that his telling people to vote for Bogre is going to lead to some kind of out-of-control bandwagon? What exactly is the problem? You jumped on me for the same reason, and I really think you're overreacting to everything. Why is voting scummy all of a sudden?
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:31 pm

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It's not the vote itself, it's the reasoning behind it and the patterns of the player.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:16 am

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Y, your ability to misread me is astounding. I'm not jumping on people for "any reasons that might be". If there's nothing big to pick up because everyone keeps their mouth shut, you have to go for the small things, wouldn't you agree? You seem to be waiting for something to happen, but when I try to make something happen, you attack me for it.

I think my reasons for voting Bogre are just and you disagree, that's perfectly fine. But when the accused doesn't even feel the need to show up then there is obviously not enough pressure on him.
Y wrote:You want to put some pressure? You can ask us to vote to put pressure.
You want the game to move faster? You can ask us to start moving the game.
That's exactly what I did. You even quoted it yourself.

I really don't know what you are trying to do, but it's not in the best interest of the town.

Unvote, Vote: Y


And I still want to hear from Bogre.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:22 am

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MOD:
Can we get a few cattleprods on some people? and a replacement for Maverick?

Crash, just because you're the one posting the most vigorously, it doesn't mean that we don't care. I'm sure they all have good reasons for being behind, but if you don't acknowledge that we're all human... does that make you the best? Nary would say so.

I just think it's entirely stupid to be saying things like that, and I, furthermore, think that Y has a sort of point. Voting for many people based on so many little things, a better option would be to stickk on a few people, so that you actually put pressure. You say it's pressure, but you don't apply it. And unless you give some reasons more, no one is gonna sit on the stomach.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:02 am

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How many constitute "a few" people, Atticus? I think I've attacked a perfectly reasonable amount of people so far, not to mention that it's best to check out everyone before the day is over. Of course I can't put on any pressure by myself, that's why I've made the first move so that everyone can decide for themselves who they want to apply pressure on.

And no, I don't think I am "the best", whatever you mean by that. I'm not even sure if what I'm doing is good play. But I really don't see the argument that it is scummy play.

Y is getting "bad vibes" from what is intended to be for the good of the town, if somewhat reckless. I found something in Bogre's posts that piqued my interest and I asked him to explain himself (by putting a vote on him). That doesn't hurt anyone. Yet Y tries to paint me as a trigger-happy lynchmonger. I find that telling.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:17 am

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Post 1:
CrashTextDummie wrote:Am I the first one to post? Swell. :lol:

Vote: Atticus
Post 2:
CrashTextDummie wrote:
Unvote, OMGUS Vote: Frozen Atlantic


For being the very first person to ever vote for me in my MafiaScum career (in my 5th game :lol:).
Post 3:
CrashTextDummie wrote:Let's not think to hard about flavor before we have some dead guys to base our assumptions on, mmkay guys?

Unvote, Vote: Sarcastro


For pulling crapreasons out of his ass to bandwagon someone.
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CrashTextDummie wrote:No need to get so worked up over it, Sarcastro.

Lowell placed a vote for trivial reasons, you placed a vote on him for equally trivial reasons and now I did the same to you. It's all been really trivial so far. Just for the record, starting a bandwagon is not necessarily a bad thing, jumping on the wrong bandwagon is.

Now that that's been settled, I'm actually going to
Unvote
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Vote: Bogre
. Call it a hunch.
Four posts - Four votes.
CrashTextDummie wrote:
Unvote, Vote: Y
This one was snipped since it's easy to find and was longer than the other ones.

So, lets see what we have:
You voted 5 of the 12 players so far, 11 if we take you out. Almost a half.
You used 5 of your 12 posts to vote people. Almost a half.
All your first four posts were votes.
Less than half of those votes had any logic into them.
Two of the votes were OMGUS, one clearly stated and one is your vote against me.

Yep, I'm pretty sure you're just jumping from one player into another with no apparent reason.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:37 am

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First vote was random.
Second vote was OMGUS in the lighthearted spirit of the early game.
Third vote served its purpose in that it got Sarcastro to explain himself.
Fourth vote was later justified.
Fifth vote was justified.

Three legitimate votes on 3 out of 12 people, seems reasonable to me. Your argument doesn't hold.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:43 am

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Again, I have to agree with CTD here. I think Y is overreacting. Voting a lot is not necessarily scummy, especially when you're not even bandwagonning but in fact putting the first vote on someone. In addition, CTD is able to explain all of his votes perfectly reasonably. I see nothing scummy about him so far.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:14 am

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Actually, in a magic themed game, one player putting a lot of other player's names in bold is kinda creepy. o_0;
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:22 pm

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Sarcastro wrote:Voting a lot is not necessarily scummy, especially when you're not even bandwagonning but in fact putting the first vote on someone.


It in fact is... what? If you mean what I think you mean, you mean that putting the first vote o someone is scummy, but bandwagonning isn't. Which would logically, following your logic, make Crash scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think not calling someone scummy when you called what they're doing scummy is scummy.

Trying to make a friend, Sarcastro?

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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:54 pm

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Where did I say that putting the first vote on someone is scummy? Please read what I said again. I very clearly stated that putting the first vote on someone is especially
not
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:26 pm

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I'm going to have to point out that sarcastro is right and Atticus just completely misinterpreted Sarcastro's post.

However, I do not in any way like how CTD has been behaving. It really feels like you're just kind of voting whoever you think is temporarily suspicious in order to try and get something started. It's not a bad strategy to some degree to see if you can get scum to play along and expose themselves. However, the degree to which you're doing it is wha makes me suspicious of you. And so, with that,

Unvote, Vote: CrashTextDummie


It's not that you've not been "justifying" your posts as you put it. It's simply the behavior itself regardless of whaever supposed context. Just because you can come up with some "reason" for 4 of your votes, the way you've been acting still makes me suspicious of you.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:30 pm

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CTD is flip-flopping. I'm not quite sure if it's a bad or good thing since his explanations seem appropriate. However, flip-flopping is a bad practice.

fos CTD


My vote is happy on Sarcastro at the moment. I find it strange that he is defending CTD and at at the same time, justifying our reasons to vote him(him being Sarcastro).
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:05 am

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Well, Sarcastro, apparently your incomplete sentence and bad punctuation made me misinterpret your post.

But my other point was, are you trying to make a friend with Crash? Which is something I see you didn't address.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:13 am

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Sacastro really isn't defending CTD that heavily...he's just stating logical points that the actions in questions aren't necessarily scummy.
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I think my vote was still sitting on Lowell.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:33 am

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Thanks Bogre for the unvote.

Sorry I have been away. Normally I'm an active player (work = boring) but I didnt' have internet this last week. Already got booted from one game, and wanted to post to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Will read through the posts tomorrow and make a more informed vote.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:49 pm

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Atticus wrote:Well, Sarcastro, apparently your incomplete sentence and bad punctuation made me misinterpret your post.
That's a complete lie. My sentences were complete and my punctuation was fine. Stop blaming me for your poor reading comprehension.
Atticus wrote:But my other point was, are you trying to make a friend with Crash? Which is something I see you didn't address.
I'm not trying to make a friend. I'm simply stating my opinion. Why are determined to see scumminess in everything I do?
chaotic_diablo wrote:My vote is happy on Sarcastro at the moment. I find it strange that he is defending CTD and at at the same time, justifying our reasons to vote him(him being Sarcastro).
Explain how I'm justifying your reasons for voting me.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:46 pm

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Sarcastro wrote:
chaotic_diablo wrote:My vote is happy on Sarcastro at the moment. I find it strange that he is defending CTD and at at the same time, justifying our reasons to vote him(him being Sarcastro).
Explain how I'm justifying your reasons for voting me.
It's not justifying MY reasons to vote you, but most of the reasons of OTHERS. In the post below, you basiclly say that CTD is doing something justifiable and ok. Seeing as the same reasoning was used to bandwagon you, your supporting your own bandwagon.
Sarcastro wrote:I don't buy it, Y. I think CTD's actions are perfectly justifiable. Are you really worried that his telling people to vote for Bogre is going to lead to some kind of out-of-control bandwagon? What exactly is the problem? You jumped on me for the same reason, and I really think you're overreacting to everything. Why is voting scummy all of a sudden?
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:02 pm

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chaotic_diablo wrote:@doc, who do you think is the scummiest?
At this point, I'm most suspicious of Bogre. Firstly, there's the minor tell that the person to comment on the nightkill (or lack thereof) is scum. Very minor, but worth noting. Secondly, I don't like his post relating to Sarcastro.
Bogre wrote:Well it was kind of early to rush a bandwagon Sarcastro, but its not like I've ever seen that stuff before. You get a bitsy FOS.
This doesn't make sense to me. You disagree with what he did, but can understand why he did it, so you're suspicious of him?

As for Bogre's latest post, it just makes me think he's trying to lurk in plain sight. I'm aware that I haven't been too active myself, but it's been a surprisingly busy week, and I'll do better.

Vote: Bogre
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:36 pm

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chaotic_diablo wrote:
Sarcastro wrote:
chaotic_diablo wrote:My vote is happy on Sarcastro at the moment. I find it strange that he is defending CTD and at at the same time, justifying our reasons to vote him(him being Sarcastro).
Explain how I'm justifying your reasons for voting me.
It's not justifying MY reasons to vote you, but most of the reasons of OTHERS. In the post below, you basiclly say that CTD is doing something justifiable and ok. Seeing as the same reasoning was used to bandwagon you, your supporting your own bandwagon.
Sarcastro wrote:I don't buy it, Y. I think CTD's actions are perfectly justifiable. Are you really worried that his telling people to vote for Bogre is going to lead to some kind of out-of-control bandwagon? What exactly is the problem? You jumped on me for the same reason, and I really think you're overreacting to everything. Why is voting scummy all of a sudden?
Sorry, I just don't see it. Maybe one of us is misunderstanding the other. I believe that what I did was not scummy. All I did was vote for someone I thought was scummy. The only reason people are suspicious (as far as I can tell) is that they think I was trying to rush a bandwagon, which I was not. So I don't see how my defense of CTD justifies the bandwagon on me.
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