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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:25 am
by serrapaladin
OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.03Zivel (1) - goodmorning
notscience (2) - RachMarie, Zivel
burn_209 (2) - Luca Blight, Not_Mafia
Not_Mafia (1) - burn_209

Not Voting (3) - Graeyfurredmutt, joker443, notscience


With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-03-01 23:59:59).

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:20 am
by goodmorning
In post 53, notscience wrote:GM I lied I want to wagon burn

VOTE: burn
Awwwww yisssss

Vote: burn

In post 60, joker443 wrote:Been in one game with Gm so know quite well how they play but may be different this time
Probably. V/LA really messes me up.
In post 63, notscience wrote:UNVOTE:

Don't want any derphammers.
That wasn't even L-1 tho

you silly
In post 68, burn_209 wrote:
In post 64, Not_Mafia wrote:Derphammer is a risk I guess but the people here seem to be of a higher stndard
This one not so much. Justifying the risk on the derphammer on a judgement call that in a NEWBIE game, that we are 3 pages into, that we have players here that are a higher standard isnt very smart. But hey one vote is always one vote closer to a townie lynch right scum?

VOTE: NOT MAFIA
THIS VOTE SUCKS

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:50 am
by Not_Mafia
In post 69, Zivel wrote:So let me try this reading thing out.... I want a look at NoSci:

So quickly starting wagons and trying to get one going so early seems very scum to me... is it not a strat to try and get a wagon going and hope that it goes all the way? Seems logical and especially with a newb game where votes might fly easily. This makes sense to me, and has NoSci not tried to do this twice now, bailing on the last one could be a bluff, letting the wagon get some more speed before then pushing it over the top.

Also the idea of a Newb flailing is interesting. This will give a lot of information and could be entertaining to watch but surely if that person is town the Mafia know this and then they know that the info wont help the townies to much, but might allow a mafia lynch.

Now I honestly have no idea what I am doing but hey, its better have stabs in the dark than no stabs at all right?
This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

Setting up wagons on people one by one seems to be the norm here due to the long deadlines. Your wagon wasn't really gaining traction so him jumping off it doesn't seem scummy to me. However scum will like to go after the easy\newb lynch. Launching a wagon on the newest player first isn't ideal for town imo. Plus jumping off a wagon at L-2 cos of derphammers is silly.

@not sci If you were willing to vote him then why take off your vote the instant someone else votes him, especially at L-2.

UNVOTE: burn
VOTE: notscience

And yes it is always good to get involved and offer your opinion so don't be afraid to get stuck in

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:52 am
by notscience
In post 62, Not_Mafia wrote:If someone slips describing their own scum meta then policy hammer them immediately.

I'll jump on this burn wagon,let's get to L-1

UNVOTE: Luca Blight
VOTE: burn_209

I thought this was you saying you put him at L-1.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:27 am
by burn_209
In post 71, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 68, burn_209 wrote:This one not so much. Justifying the risk on the derphammer on a judgement call that in a NEWBIE game, that we are 3 pages into, that we have players here that are a higher standard isnt very smart. But hey one vote is always one vote closer to a townie lynch right scum?

VOTE: NOT MAFIA
You were on L-2 after my vote so there was hardly a massive risk, nice omgus now that the wagon is focused on you

-
FTFY
You said lets push this to L-1 meaning you were down to risk it

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:34 am
by notscience
VOTE: burn

again btw

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:32 am
by burn_209
So now I'm at L-1. Why does this always happen to me lol I'm always L-1 on day one.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:46 am
by Not_Mafia
I took my vote off you so you're at L-2

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:58 am
by Graeyfurredmutt
So Notmafia please explain the reasoning behind the burn bandwagon. And yes I am aware you are no longer voting for him.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:21 am
by Not_Mafia
Pressuring. He was a better wagon than Zivel and the Luca one wasn't going anywhere

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:28 am
by notscience
So why am I a good wagon?

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:49 am
by joker443
vote burn

Simply because I don't trust him

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:50 am
by notscience
UNVOTE:

What have I said about derphammering >.>

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:53 am
by Not_Mafia
Cos of the reasons I stated above. Can't move my vote back over now anyway.

Burn is at L-1 careful now people.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:53 am
by Not_Mafia
Okay nevermind

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:55 am
by notscience
What do you think of the L-1 vote?

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:31 am
by Not_Mafia
Not much really. I think the risk of derphammering is overrated.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:22 am
by Luca Blight
NS, as you are someone who is prepared to make quick judgement calls on players, who would you say is of town/scum lean at this early stage? Do you still think Not_Mafia is definitely Town?

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:01 am
by Graeyfurredmutt
In post 92, Luca Blight wrote:
As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.
First what in your own words is the case against burn?
Second please give us some examples of GoodMorning's "much logical, pro-town posting"

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:02 am
by notscience
If I've said they're town then they're town

I'm townhunting not scumhunting because my scumhunting keeps fucking up

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:08 am
by joker443
Notscience how can you tell if someone's town? Day 1 no one knows much

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:15 am
by notscience
I don't know

But I have gut feelings about people and try to relate them to other things I've seen (Bert does this too)

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:20 am
by Luca Blight
In post 93, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:
In post 92, Luca Blight wrote:
As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect. GM is generally coming across as Town at the moment with much logical, pro-town posting, same with NS. Obviously these are the two more experienced players but they are my two biggest town reads at the moment.
First what in your own words is the case against burn?
Second please give us some examples of GoodMorning's "much logical, pro-town posting"
There is no case against burn other than what I said in that post.

With regards to GM I have just realised I have mixed you and her up a bit! I agreed with her criticism of burn's Not_Mafia vote, but the post I liked was this:
In post 48, Graeyfurredmutt wrote:What would the mafia do today. My assumption is that they would naturally want to just let the town make a wild guess and hit a townie so as to attract minimal attention to themselves. The more active and obvious someone is the easier it is to analyze them and find the small hints. So that would leave us with a question of what are they actually doing. I personally prefer as mafia to have the group be diverse. While being just helpful enough to not look bad and just quiet enough to not be obvious is probably the safest, assuming people don't look there first due to anticipating strategies, it's not the most useful. Being a leader of the town can be quite profitable for the mafia. So what do you think?
Looking back I feel you have made some good contributions thus far, so would agree with NS that you are leaning Town for now.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:54 am
by serrapaladin
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:54 am
by serrapaladin
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