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Yeah, haven't read this in depth, but my eyebrows go up at the prospect of thinking multiple players aren't going to be lynched today based on early day stuff. Actually, what gets me is that it strikes me as a conscious choice to set aside certain players as static reads, the better to ignore them and come out with new! and exciting! opinions on them Day Two.
People have asked why scum would do that. I'd ask why town would do that. This isn't a large game with two dozen people to keep track of or anything.
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People have asked why scum would do that. I'd ask why town would do that. This isn't a large game with two dozen people to keep track of or anything.
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1. Yes. (He's scanning as overzealous right now, and the way that's manifesting is striking me as more likely to be from town than scum.)Jargonaut wrote:For clarification, you think that TSO's vote is bad, but is coming from a town mindset? Have you played with him as town before? (I'm asking because I want to know if this is how you think he acted)Dunhamganger wrote:Bad semantics-based wagon is bad.
TSO feels town.
2. No. (So I'll keep the fact that you played in a game where he was scum like this in mind, though I detest meta reads.)
You like lynching players you have a townread on as town? Good to know.The Betting Pool wrote:I'd ask why town would do that.
What would you have rather me asked? Your favorite color?In post 63, Elyse wrote:Riptide asked a dumb question that looked planted to feign scumhunting.In post 29, MTD wrote:Ah, yes, it is true we were probably already a bit further than that, nothing intentional, just wanted to come in on the game and I hadn't really put any thought into it at that point. I am ok with Elyse's vote on me for that reason, maybe with Dunhamganger's, too, cause wooo, wagons, but I am p sure I want more than "yay these people are sooo town based on RVS votes" from Cho. Staying with my vote.
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@Elyse: Any reason you think mnemonics Vote was good? From my POV it just looks like a pretty dull RVS-OMGUS.
I don't even... I know MTD already said something, but nowhere was the expresion "them OMGUSs are incredible" said vaguely. It's right in the middle of his first post. It can't be much clearer than it is. And why would someone cast suspicion on someone this early, especially with their RVS post?No, you vaguely said, "them OMGUSs are incredible" which literally means nothing and places no suspicion on anyone. The fact the you call it "commenting on something" shows that.In post 29, MTD wrote: Also, The only other vote that I would maybe have found to be worth commenting on was burnings' for wagon-jumping much but Riptide already did that. Other than that I often don't find much to comment on in RVS.
And this is nearly textbook buddying. You ask what scum would automatically eliminate players from the lynch pool- newbscum would.Everyone who is voting Cho needs to stop. He's obviously newbtown. Come on. What scum (with a joindate last week) would automatically eliminate two players from the lynch pool? I agree that it's unreasonable to call people unlynchable for RVS only, but I don't see how it makes him scum at all. TSO looks to be jumping on newbtown and I think he's smarter than that, so I'm scumreading him too atm.
What does thinking TSO is smarter than jumping on a "newbtown" have anything to do with scum reading him? If he was smarter than that, why would he do it?
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Well it's only one game, thus why I asked if you had a counter example in mind. That said, meta isn't the sole reason I'm voting him (his posts feel somewhat artificial even without it).In post 77, Dunhamganger wrote:1. Yes. (He's scanning as overzealous right now, and the way that's manifesting is striking me as more likely to be from town than scum.)Jargonaut wrote:For clarification, you think that TSO's vote is bad, but is coming from a town mindset? Have you played with him as town before? (I'm asking because I want to know if this is how you think he acted)Dunhamganger wrote:Bad semantics-based wagon is bad.
TSO feels town.
2. No. (So I'll keep the fact that you played in a game where he was scum like this in mind, though I detest meta reads.)
@Riptide
I would expect you to ask nothing. You thinking that there needs to be a question asked on page 1 is scummy.
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I would expect you to ask nothing. You thinking that there needs to be a question asked on page 1 is scummy.
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MTD wrote:I never called it "commenting on something" as it was more of a general remark on the gamestate at this point, and as I stated, I hadn't really put much thought into it at that point, so yeah, you are right it doesn't really mean anything, but I never acted like it did, did I?In post 63, Elyse wrote:No, you vaguely said, "them OMGUSs are incredible" which literally means nothing and places no suspicion on anyone. The fact the you call it "commenting on something" shows that.
Yes, it was an obvious random vote.In post 64, Dunhamganger wrote:My MTD vote is for serious real. Elyse had a good read and he compounded it by finding a thin justification to pretend that his obvious random vote had reason to stay.
ThenCho made a post which I didn't like.
Then I decided to stay with my vote.
Now tell me why that would be scummy please.
I did misread this initially, so my bad. I thought you were trying to justify your vote with your vague "them OMGUSes are incredible"In post 29, MTD wrote: @Elyse: Any reason you think mnemonics Vote was good? From my POV it just looks like a pretty dull RVS-OMGUS.
Also, The only other vote that I would maybe have found to be worth commenting on was burnings' for wagon-jumping much but Riptide already did that. Other than that I often don't find much to comment on in RVS.
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Why would Town do that? Why would Town put themselves in their own "Unlynchable" pool? It's more likely to come from Scum than from Town, in my opinion, because it's a rather sneaky thing to do.In post 63, Elyse wrote: Everyone who is voting Cho needs to stop. He's obviously newbtown. Come on. What scum (with a joindate last week) would automatically eliminate two players from the lynch pool? I agree that it's unreasonable to call people unlynchable for RVS only, but I don't see how it makes him scum at all. TSO looks to be jumping on newbtown and I think he's smarter than that, so I'm scumreading him too atm.
I'm not "jumping on newbtown", I'm pointing out genuine problems with Cho's play which are scummy. It's nothing to do with my intelligence, and even if it was, just because I'm "clever" doesn't mean I can't attack newbies for scummy play.
I really hope you don't feel the need to defend Cho just because you're an Unlynchable, Elyse, her play merits the pressure I've put on.
Which game was this? Have you checked other games of mine as scum? Do they correlate with this one game? What are the similarities between that games and this one?In post 67, Jargonaut wrote: TSO is making me uncomfortable. I don't know much about how he usually plays, but I had a game with him a little while back where he used a similar sort of hyper aggression as scum.
Well, the first post is me stating openly I'm going to consider myself conftown when Cho flips scum, and the second is me explaining how Cho's reason for voting me is scummy. I'm not particularly trying to look Town in either of them, Jargonaut, so you might have to try a little harder.In post 67, Jargonaut wrote:These posts in particular stand out to me:VOTE: TSO. Why are you trying so hard to look town?In post 56, T S O wrote:Well, it's a textbook scum response, because it's really vague with no specifics, but its grandeur suggests I have been roaring to all the players since I came in about my incredible amount ofswaggertowniness. The only problem is I haven't.
Oh come on. I'm agreeing with the fact that it's dumb to make people unlynchable on Day 1 but it doesn't make sense for him to do it as scum. He quickly shuts out two potential mislynches, and him "including himself" isn't sneaky. It's pretty bold and unlikely to come from scum, especially new scum.
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No, I'm saying that town preparing not to consider multiple people as scum Day One lacks a lot of paranoia I'd expect from town.In post 77, Dunhamganger wrote:You like lynching players you have a townread on as town? Good to know.The Betting Pool wrote:I'd ask why town would do that.
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It was Newbie 1473. Like in this game, you told everyone that you were "confirmed town" (only in that game it was after claiming, not during speculation). You also basically tunneled a single person straight out of the gate. It's worth mentioning that he (pisskop) even mentioned how you were trying to look town with your hyper-aggressive style:In post 81, T S O wrote:Which game was this? Have you checked other games of mine as scum? Do they correlate with this one game? What are the similarities between that games and this one?In post 67, Jargonaut wrote: TSO is making me uncomfortable. I don't know much about how he usually plays, but I had a game with him a little while back where he used a similar sort of hyper aggression as scum.
But no... I haven't looked at your other scum games.In post 250, pisskop wrote:I don't think you have a case. Its all nonsense smothered in aggression. Exactly how our first game was.In post 149, T S O wrote:Watch how prickly he is here. Scum would buddy Smudger in this situation, but you can see he doesn't actually like Smudger and has no problem admitting it and taking heat for it. And that's Town as fuck.In post 87, Naio wrote:...
The first post definitely sounds much more like you're trying to tell us that youIn post 81, T S O wrote:Well, the first post is me stating openly I'm going to consider myself conftown when Cho flips scum, and the second is me explaining how Cho's reason for voting me is scummy. I'm not particularly trying to look Town in either of them, Jargonaut, so you might have to try a little harder.In post 67, Jargonaut wrote:These posts in particular stand out to me:VOTE: TSO. Why are you trying so hard to look town?In post 56, T S O wrote:Well, it's a textbook scum response, because it's really vague with no specifics, but its grandeur suggests I have been roaring to all the players since I came in about my incredible amount ofswaggertowniness. The only problem is I haven't.
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But taken with this post:
Why are you doing that, dun?
This by itself is a weird conclusion to jump to after me saying "So this heated up fast."
But taken with this post:
It begins to look like you're intentionally jumping to conclusions in order to push people.In post 77, Dunhamganger wrote:You like lynching players you have a townread on as town? Good to know.The Betting Pool wrote:I'd ask why town would do that.
Why are you doing that, dun?
This is the weakest point of your case. I mean, come on, I doubt even newbscum would actually believe that they could trick town into thinking they were town by slipping themselves into a list of "unlynchables."In post 81, T S O wrote:Why would Town put themselves in their own "Unlynchable" pool? It's more likely to come from Scum than from Town, in my opinion, because it's a rather sneaky thing to do.
"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437
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I know this is going to sound outlandish, but does anyone think there might actually be an unlynchable PR in this game?? From my viewpoint, I don't think Cho would just create an unlynchable pool for (seemingly) no good reason.
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An -unlynchable- PR.In post 90, caledfwitch wrote:I know this is going to sound outlandish, but does anyone think there might actually be an unlynchable PR in this game?? From my viewpoint, I don't think Cho would just create an unlynchable pool for (seemingly) no good reason.
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Newbie 1473 is an incredibly unfair game to bring up. It involves me fakeclaiming in the Matrix, so in order to appear Town I had no option BUT to confirm myself. I attacked pisskop ebcause he had me/Nacho pegged, and I certainly didn't do it early-game, unprovoked, like here. The games are completely different.
Maybe it's your opinion that if Cho's scum, I won't be conftown. It's mine that I will be, or at least something close to it.
Maybe it's your opinion that if Cho's scum, I won't be conftown. It's mine that I will be, or at least something close to it.
okaaay...In post 98, T S O wrote:Vote worthy, yes, but not that bad.
I might throw in at this point that from what I have read, T S O seems to play like this (aggressive, somewhat arrogant, not always with sound logic) regardless of alignment.
@caled: No idea, but why would you ever want to speculate on that? Even if there is one, how would Cho know that of others?
I call Cho as a Marangal alt.
still the same old MTD