Mini #89: SW: Emperors Hand

[EnPaceRequiescat]

on totem's observation of chaotic fosing in retaliation, isn't that kinda what zone did? From what I've seen of chaotic he's pretty reckless. not really a smart townie. Also, zone has other things going against him.

also, what do you guys think of the importance of doc vs. cop? since with zone's post, he's basically claiming cop or doc. and he didn't clear up what discreti means, though I think that's something more cop related.

i shall

upgrade my fos on zone

for now.

[Gaspode]

I searched all the claims on starwars.com and checked some other sites for the moff names and found nothing for either one (or my own, for that matter). I think they're just too obscure to look up on the web. Anyone have any of the books?

[chaotic_diablo]

@ totem, if you can give me 3 reasons why you believe zoneace is cop, then you probably can give me 3 more why his first vote isn't random. otherwise your just trying to lynch me in the same manner as zoneace.

vote: totem

sorry about the unvoting thing, i'll unvote and put the name there if you'd like. I sitll don't like how you try to turn it into a reason to vote me, it's completely unlogical and out of order. anybody can do it and still be protown.
i have no comment on coolbot's suggestions until later.

[Prizm]

First,

unvote smoke_bandit

, now that theres some stuff to think about.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=322

Zoneace's actions are not without precedent. That said, I'm still pretty suspicious of him, for all of the reasons stated. But due to his track record, I'll simply

fos ZONEACE

[Dragon Slayer]

Hypocrites. I can't stand em. My vote stays for now. Also

Fos EnPaceRequiescat

if zoneace turns out guilty. This would explain his "upgraded fos" which should really be a vote. Unless you say "tiny fos" then theres no difference between all of them. This is mostly if Zoneace turns out as we think- guilty.

[Gaspode]

I think EnPace's upgraded FOS was fine.

FOS: chaotic_diablo

. He seems to be defending Zoneace without a real reason. For one thing, he seems to be trying to move discussion away from the Zoneace issue with his vote for Totem. And he completely ignored the suggestion about retaliatory votes. Finally, his "lack of a comment about the coolbot suggestions" suggests that he agrees with Zoneace's comments against Coolbot, which I believe were completely unfounded. He has completely neglected to comment on any of Zoneace's scummy actions.

[Smoke_Bandit]

First I would like to

Unvote: Coolbot

just for the simple fact that he has not left any reason for me to keep it on him....for the moment.

Truthfully, I think that we would be making a mistake if we lynched at this moment, only because I really do think that he is a cop...The reason why he just does not come straight out and say it, is because he may think that it will get him lynched during the night...(Even thought that is going to happen anyways just by his claim today, like Zoneace already said)...
You could say that I am defending Zoneace, but I think that it is risky to vote him off if he really is a cop......

That is it for now, and I will try to get back to ya'll by the 11th at the latest.....A lot is going on up here and finding it hard to keep up with this game, so that's it for now....Peace.

[Smoke_Bandit]

Sorry, just to inform you guys that I am referring to lynching zoneace in the first paragraph in the last post I made....

[EnPaceRequiescat]

Hypocrites. I can't stand em. My vote stays for now. Also

Fos EnPaceRequiescat

if zoneace turns out guilty. This would explain his "upgraded fos" which should really be a vote. Unless you say "tiny fos" then theres no difference between all of them. This is mostly if Zoneace turns out as we think- guilty.

ummm... if I voted, then zone would have been at 5 votes, making him prime target for mafia quick lynch. And I was thinking of his half-claim of being either doc or cop, and that he's part of the discreti system. From my etymology knowledge, that's probably cop, but I'm not sure. this is also why I asked for clarification on the importance of a cop vs. a doc. I don't see why you are attacking me on grounds of trying to clear something up.

And if you want me to use a "degree of suspicion system", so be it. I'll develop a FOS system.

let me see...

green- raise eyebrow, just a thought
yellow- questionable (almost half against)
orange- regular FOS (around half and half)
red-orange- almost voting (over half against, nearing voting)
red- a vote

I'm not going to assign % values as of course each case will vary.

I'd put zone in the red-orange place right now, especially after zone's continued voting for whoever still thought he was guilty, and failing to reply to the arguments made properly. Before, he would have been on the orange level, since it was right after he pseudo-roleclaimed, and he hadn't posted any other fishy stuff.

and from your post, I'm starting to wonder about you, too. however, it may be due to the lack of a vote count after all those unvotes/votes/fos's going on. so you'd be on green.

[ZONEACE]

fine guys since you still want my blood im tyhe god damned

DOCTOR

and gapode, im not the idot, you guys are for.

now you guys will either not beleive me and lynch me or gthe assassins will kill me tinight, either way you guys lose your doc WTG WTG WTG and also, coolbot is mafia and probably gaspode

[ZONEACE]

First,

unvote smoke_bandit

, now that theres some stuff to think about.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=322

Zoneace's actions are not without precedent. That said, I'm still pretty suspicious of him, for all of the reasons stated. But due to his track record, I'll simply

fos ZONEACE

the problems in that thread were mostly my fault. I made a mistake while claiming. I said i had investigated someone who wasnt in the game, confusing their SN with the SN of the person i actually investigated and i didnt realize the mistake until it was too late.

[ZONEACE]

A few points:

2.

"umm wha makes my defense any less believable than Issacs" ... he's got point here.

According to him, Isaac's was not believable. He's just being a hypocrite if he expects us to believe something he would not believe.

3. His claim tells us even less than Isaac's (Isaac mentioned cloning, at least, in addition to his name), so it is not the same.

5. Even if he is pro-town, I wouldn't feel like we lost much by lynching him. All he's doing now is cluttering up the thread with useless junk and preventing any real productive, rational discussion.

sorry about the double (not triple cause my other post was early today) post. Umm gaspode, a few responses to a few of your "points".

first in response to point 2, Whether or not I believe his claim is irrelevant, the point i was trying to make was in a claim that was completely lacking of everything that is involved of a claim, everyone believed it and let go of all the suspicion. I found it odd, and felt a need to bring it up, i did so by using it as my claim.

In regards to point 3, My claim actually tells you more than issacs. I removed the not a doc/cop part. So that lets you know that i am either a cop or a doc. you however felt the need to ignore that, slightly suspicious.

finally in regards to Point 5, you would rather kill the doc than deal with the doc that annoys you? THis is the most suspicious thing i have ever seen

Giant FOS on you gaspode

because you seem to be as guilty as coolbot, maybe even more so.

[CoolBot]

Zone, your initial defense did not tell us more than Isaac. All you did was cut & paste and delete one phrase to lead us to believe your either a doc or a cop. This defense contradicts your earlier must claim stance. You still haven't explained why you did so, except noting it worked for Isaac. Thus, it appears you are only trying to fool the town by using an earlier sucessful defense.

Further, if anyone has the audacity to question what you've said, you attack them and declare them mafia in what I suppose is an attempt to stop any criticism or your defense and deflect any and all attention away from you. I suppose I'm in for the dreaded super vote here.

[ZONEACE]

well all i have to say to you is bite me cause well, you seem to be intentionally ignoring everything i say and just making up things that ive said. so there really is not much more i can say cause, you havent given me anything to respond to. I honestly believe you are mafia along with gaspode and maybe even issac. I dont want to be lynched, but now that everyone knows that i am the doctor, the mafia will kill me if you guys to lynch me. If you guys do lynch me i only have three words for you, Told. You. So.

[ZONEACE]

Damnit, sorry about that, if someone (a mod) delete one of those, i hate when the damn browser screws up and shows that i didnt post.

[Vraak X]

Deadline lifted.

[Gaspode]

I would reply to everything you said in your posts and point out all their problems, but I don't have that kind of time. Your posts really don't deserve my time or effort. So I will just respond to your suspicions against me, to clear things up and make sure the town knows where I was coming from, in case you do turn out to be a cop/doc and the town decides to turn on me tomorrow for no good reason.

Point 3: I apologize for not noticing the implication that you are a cop or a doc; maybe I should have compared the claims closer. But I don't think that such neglect could be considered scummy--how many people go through nearly-identical claims word for word to look for differences? If you really wanted to make it known, you should have said something about it.

Point 5: You are wtisting my words again. I never said that I'd be willing to kill a doc simply because he annoyed me. What I did say was that I would not mind losing a doc whose presence during the day was hampering the town's progress toward its ultimate goal--to seek out, discover, and lynch mafia. It seems that you need a lesson in mafia theory. A good town's most important power is the ability to expose and lynch mafia during the day; night abilities such as investigations and protections are really only modifications to this general premise. Therefore, as long as we have a decent town, your little night ability is not nearly as important as having effective days.

Speaking of mafia theory, I have another little suggestion: you should be trying to HELP the town. You should not be bitterly trying to mess us up just because we want to lynch you. If you are truly on the town's side, you should never stop trying to help the town. Remember, if you have a pro-town role and the town wins, you win, even if you were lynched or night-killed. So you should always be doing everything you can to help the town--what you're doing now is actually against your own interests as well.

I believe the "super-vote" we are looking for is a

Confirm Vote: ZONEACE

for being an idiot and completely failing to do anything that could help to convince us of his innocence. This might be the time for a real claim, Zone. (And if you read my advice about helping the town, you could start now by giving us any info you have from Night 1.) Thanks for completely sucking the fun out of Day 1.

PS: There's a key on you keyboard that says "Shift" on it. This might be a new concept for you, but you are supposed to press it down when you start a new sentence. If you plan to gain any respect from me in the future, I suggest that you at least attempt to use something resembling decent grammar.

[Morpheus]

Vote stays. Zoneace...bite me? Whatever. I still am suspicous of Zoneace. Not only is he acting like a jerk he used a claim that everyone (except him) believed. So his defense could be well you believed Isaac. Well I'm not convinced. You copied another defense. I didn't like it. Vote stays.

[Gaspode]

Point 5: You are wtisting my words again.

Sorry, "wtisting" should be "twisting".

[ZONEACE]

Fine be dumb asses, lynch me, lose the doc, lose the game. if all of you want to be stupid, be stupid. THESE GAMES GET LESS AND LESS FUN AS THE PEOPLE PLAYING GET LESS AND LESS INTELLIGENT.

UNVOTE WHOEVER THE HELL I AM VOTING AND VOTE ZONEACE

you guys wanna lose the doc soooooooooooo bad i might as well help, besides, it will give me an oppurtunity to sign up for a themed mini with out you people in it. BTW gaspode, coolbot and issac are mafia.

[Morpheus]

Wow you are a jerk. Well I just hope you know know whould want to play with you if you act like this. Just because we are suspicous of you doesn't make us unintelligent. It's not like we read your pm (and it did actually say doc) then we still decided to lynch you. For all we know you could be the doc or the mafia. Being suuspicous doesn't make you unintelligent. I for one hope I am never in a game whith you ever if your going to act like this.

[ZONEACE]

what makes you all unitelligent is believing Issacs claim and not mine. what gives his claim anymore truth than mine? Nothing, just people following the mafia blindly away from one of there buddies and to one of the town. I have been lynched day one in 5 games now, 4 of which i was town all because the town believed the mafia over the town and for stupid reasons.

[ZONEACE]

would you like me to post my ROLE PM since im already dead it wont matter if i do something that will get me mod killed. Is that what you guys want?

[Morpheus]

You know what, your calling people unintelligent even though your the one that played horrible. You didn't help the town one bit. Oh and what makes your claim less believeable? Well, first off you just copied someone else's. And you say well it worked for him it'll work for me. So instead of actually taking the time to come up with a good convincing role claim you just copied one so you can say well you believed him.....why not me?

[ZONEACE]

just in case anyone doesnt believe me

You're not seeing what I wrote, because I'm blocking it out..

oh and one more thing I TOLD YOU SO